GoodKarma wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:55 pm
I would agree with that… It’s not too often that you see things spelled out in that much detail including the mistakes that they made.
I agree with all the comments, incredibly generous terms and very humble words from the founders that come across as genuine. As a little more context, the Chief HR officer at my wife's company sent it to her (as Chief marketing and Communications) saying it was the best communication she has seen. What set my wife off, and I immediately said the first thing, was I can't believe they sent this before telling employees whether they were part of the layoff. I imagine everyone reading this and freaking the fuck out, wondering if they are losing their job. I can't imagine many people were able to concentrate after the first paragraph to comprehend the rest. For employees onsite, there must have been chaos in the period between the email being sent and people starting to receive the layoff notifications. My wife was surprised the CHRO didn't think of this. Then she went to LinkedIn and saw a stream of nothing but praise.
Our CEO sent out the video yesterday, and in it said "those being laid off will be notified this afternoon". There were a lot of nervous people around, including myself.
And what's the approved protocol for how to figure out who was let go? Should the company sent out a list of the folks who got cut? The head of my division sent out an email to the 'non-RIF' people last night, and I've been going through the list of people who got the email trying to figure out who's not on it.
The Sybian wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:22 amWhat set my wife off, and I immediately said the first thing, was I can't believe they sent this before telling employees whether they were part of the layoff.
I guess they have to walk a fine line. You don't want to hit employees cold with layoff notices, but you also don't want people stewing for hours. Sending out the general announcement with specific layoff notices 15 minutes later seems like one of the least-bad options.
Assuming they actually got the layoff notices out 15 minutes later.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
The Sybian wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:22 amWhat set my wife off, and I immediately said the first thing, was I can't believe they sent this before telling employees whether they were part of the layoff.
I guess they have to walk a fine line. You don't want to hit employees cold with layoff notices, but you also don't want people stewing for hours. Sending out the general announcement with specific layoff notices 15 minutes later seems like one of the least-bad options.
Assuming they actually got the layoff notices out 15 minutes later.
But what if you weren't looking at email and come back and the email on top is that you've been laid off before you ever got to see the one warning about it. I think EOB might have been better, or something longer than 15 minutes.
Hold on, I'm trying to see if Jack London ever gets this fire built or not.
The Sybian wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:22 amWhat set my wife off, and I immediately said the first thing, was I can't believe they sent this before telling employees whether they were part of the layoff.
I guess they have to walk a fine line. You don't want to hit employees cold with layoff notices, but you also don't want people stewing for hours. Sending out the general announcement with specific layoff notices 15 minutes later seems like one of the least-bad options.
Assuming they actually got the layoff notices out 15 minutes later.
But what if you weren't looking at email and come back and the email on top is that you've been laid off before you ever got to see the one warning about it. I think EOB might have been better, or something longer than 15 minutes.
Maybe taking a break at the end of the day is why they're on the list!
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GoodKarma wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:55 pm
I would agree with that… It’s not too often that you see things spelled out in that much detail including the mistakes that they made.
I agree with all the comments, incredibly generous terms and very humble words from the founders that come across as genuine. As a little more context, the Chief HR officer at my wife's company sent it to her (as Chief marketing and Communications) saying it was the best communication she has seen. What set my wife off, and I immediately said the first thing, was I can't believe they sent this before telling employees whether they were part of the layoff. I imagine everyone reading this and freaking the fuck out, wondering if they are losing their job. I can't imagine many people were able to concentrate after the first paragraph to comprehend the rest. For employees onsite, there must have been chaos in the period between the email being sent and people starting to receive the layoff notifications. My wife was surprised the CHRO didn't think of this. Then she went to LinkedIn and saw a stream of nothing but praise.
Our CEO sent out the video yesterday, and in it said "those being laid off will be notified this afternoon". There were a lot of nervous people around, including myself.
And what's the approved protocol for how to figure out who was let go? Should the company sent out a list of the folks who got cut? The head of my division sent out an email to the 'non-RIF' people last night, and I've been going through the list of people who got the email trying to figure out who's not on it.
Telling people they’re out of a job on a Monday instead of the previous Friday is a 100% dick move.
GoodKarma wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:55 pm
I would agree with that… It’s not too often that you see things spelled out in that much detail including the mistakes that they made.
I agree with all the comments, incredibly generous terms and very humble words from the founders that come across as genuine. As a little more context, the Chief HR officer at my wife's company sent it to her (as Chief marketing and Communications) saying it was the best communication she has seen. What set my wife off, and I immediately said the first thing, was I can't believe they sent this before telling employees whether they were part of the layoff. I imagine everyone reading this and freaking the fuck out, wondering if they are losing their job. I can't imagine many people were able to concentrate after the first paragraph to comprehend the rest. For employees onsite, there must have been chaos in the period between the email being sent and people starting to receive the layoff notifications. My wife was surprised the CHRO didn't think of this. Then she went to LinkedIn and saw a stream of nothing but praise.
Our CEO sent out the video yesterday, and in it said "those being laid off will be notified this afternoon". There were a lot of nervous people around, including myself.
And what's the approved protocol for how to figure out who was let go? Should the company sent out a list of the folks who got cut? The head of my division sent out an email to the 'non-RIF' people last night, and I've been going through the list of people who got the email trying to figure out who's not on it.
Telling people they’re out of a job on a Monday instead of the previous Friday is a 100% dick move.
I've only had to fire one employee in my nearly 7 years as manager and I was surprised when they said they try to avoid doing it on a Friday as much as possible. We had to hustle to get it done on a Thursday. I think I'd prefer a Monday if ever in the situation. I don't want my weekend ruined and hey, now I can go back to bed.
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GoodKarma wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:55 pm
I would agree with that… It’s not too often that you see things spelled out in that much detail including the mistakes that they made.
I agree with all the comments, incredibly generous terms and very humble words from the founders that come across as genuine. As a little more context, the Chief HR officer at my wife's company sent it to her (as Chief marketing and Communications) saying it was the best communication she has seen. What set my wife off, and I immediately said the first thing, was I can't believe they sent this before telling employees whether they were part of the layoff. I imagine everyone reading this and freaking the fuck out, wondering if they are losing their job. I can't imagine many people were able to concentrate after the first paragraph to comprehend the rest. For employees onsite, there must have been chaos in the period between the email being sent and people starting to receive the layoff notifications. My wife was surprised the CHRO didn't think of this. Then she went to LinkedIn and saw a stream of nothing but praise.
Our CEO sent out the video yesterday, and in it said "those being laid off will be notified this afternoon". There were a lot of nervous people around, including myself.
And what's the approved protocol for how to figure out who was let go? Should the company sent out a list of the folks who got cut? The head of my division sent out an email to the 'non-RIF' people last night, and I've been going through the list of people who got the email trying to figure out who's not on it.
Telling people they’re out of a job on a Monday instead of the previous Friday is a 100% dick move.
Fire me on any day but Friday. Getting let go on a Friday fucks your whole weekend. At least during the week you can start your job search and hit the pavement and not ponder what could have been done different over the weekend.
To quote both Bruce Prichard and Tony Schiavone, "Fuck Duff Meltzer."
The balance is you have to let people know but also protect against nefarious action (reason elon locked everyone out). Never a great way to do it. Well unless you have a job already lined up and get double pay for a bit.
General rule is never fire on a Friday afternoon. Biggest chance of the employee going postal, and they are stewing all weekend with no way to take proactive steps to call recruiters etc..
On the opposite side of the spectrum, my background investigation just came back with a hit. Glad I asked for a copy. The hit was a speeding ticket for 1-5 miles above the speed limit. Hoping this isn’t what takes me down.
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The Sybian wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:26 pm
General rule is never fire on a Friday afternoon. Biggest chance of the employee going postal, and they are stewing all weekend with no way to take proactive steps to call recruiters etc..
On the opposite side of the spectrum, my background investigation just came back with a hit. Glad I asked for a copy. The hit was a speeding ticket for 1-5 miles above the speed limit. Hoping this isn’t what takes me down.
Wow. That police officer was a douche.
Hold on, I'm trying to see if Jack London ever gets this fire built or not.
Shirley wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:08 pm
I'd say that's an extremely generous severance package and about as good a "we're letting people go" email as you're going to get from a CEO.
That was my take.
You can lead a horse to fish, but you can't fish out a horse.
A_B wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:32 pmWow. That police officer was a douche.
Orrr ...
Very much the opposite. I was going way faster, State Trooper was cool and wrote it up as 1 mph above the limit. I guess he could have been cooler and not written a ticket at all, but he told me the difference in fine and points from my actual speed to the 1mph over, and I wasn't going to fight it. Guy looked familiar and I couldn't place him, then the next day I'm at the gym and see him in the locker room.
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In our office today, one of the outspoken anti-vaxxers got COVID. I haven't seen him, actually haven't been in the office since Sept 1 I'm on mat leave.
However, even though the guy is a complete asshole, there is a bit of discrimination here. Over the past 2 years, numerous people, including a couple on my team have gotten COVID and it's been hush-hush. I've gotten the call, "A person you may have been in contact with just got COVID so please get tested and stay home for 7 days etc..." The person's identity was never revealed to me.
But today, it was a company-wide email from HR saying this specific person got COVID. So I do think that's targeting because even I, a guy who hasn't been in the office since Sept 1, knows.
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It probably is, but its also not a fight I'd even consider taking up or even caring about. Nice to see the right type of person "unfairly" targeted for once.
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mister d wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:39 am
It probably is, but its also not a fight I'd even consider taking up or even caring about. Nice to see the right type of person "unfairly" targeted for once.
Heh, yeah. A New York court just held that the NYC vaccine requirement for public sector employees violated the State Constitution and ordered the reinstatement of employees fired for refusing to get vaccinated. Very curious to see if this has any reach beyond NYC public sector. I didn't read the case yet, so I don't quite understand how it might apply beyond government employees or to the rest of New York. Even if it doesn't, I could see employers changing their policies and no longer requiring vaccines. That's been the first question on most of my interviews, won't even start the first conversation if you are vaccinated or willing to get vaccinated before starting the job. I was onboard with that when the vaccines first came out, but now that we know vaccinated people can spread the virus and get sick, it seems much less important.
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For a private company, could they institute a vaccine requirement, with the reasoning that they want to keep the number of assholes at the company to a minimum?
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L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:51 am
For a private company, could they institute a vaccine requirement, with the reasoning that they want to keep the number of assholes at the company to a minimum?
I'll allow it.
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mister d wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:39 am
It probably is, but its also not a fight I'd even consider taking up or even caring about. Nice to see the right type of person "unfairly" targeted for once.
Don't really care about it but it just seemed really inconsistent from HR. It's been kind of a strange cycle at our company from 2020. We had to be vaccinated while working at home two years but once it was safe enough (April 2022) to come back, we no longer had to be vaccinated.
Also, I find it funny how quickly we've gone back to sick people need to get back into the office as soon as possible. We just went through 2 years of proving that people can work from home without issue (mostly, I know there's always exceptions to this) but you sick people better not be out of the office more than 2-3 days!
Kung Fu movies are like porn. There's 1 on 1, then 2 on 1, then a group scene..
Well after an agonizingly slow hiring process (ironic?), you are looking at the newest employee of Spartan Race. They do like the tough mudders and shit like that. It's just lax remote CS work for like half the money I was making at Fidelity, but with mortgage paid, and GF chipping in, it's enough so that I don't have to keep hitting up my portfolio. I also get to set my own schedule every week literally any way I want and 3 times a year I travel to a race of my choosing to work it, so if anyone ever has the inclination, let me know!
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Jerloma wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:31 pm
Well after an agonizingly slow hiring process (ironic?), you are looking at the newest employee of Spartan Race. They do like the tough mudders and shit like that. It's just lax remote CS work for like half the money I was making at Fidelity, but with mortgage paid, and GF chipping in, it's enough so that I don't have to keep hitting up my portfolio. I also get to set my own schedule every week literally any way I want and 3 times a year I travel to a race of my choosing to work it, so if anyone ever has the inclination, let me know!
Congrats!
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Jerloma wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:31 pm
Well after an agonizingly slow hiring process (ironic?), you are looking at the newest employee of Spartan Race. They do like the tough mudders and shit like that. It's just lax remote CS work for like half the money I was making at Fidelity, but with mortgage paid, and GF chipping in, it's enough so that I don't have to keep hitting up my portfolio. I also get to set my own schedule every week literally any way I want and 3 times a year I travel to a race of my choosing to work it, so if anyone ever has the inclination, let me know!
That sounds great, Loma. Congratulations.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
GoodKarma wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:55 pm
I would agree with that… It’s not too often that you see things spelled out in that much detail including the mistakes that they made.
I agree with all the comments, incredibly generous terms and very humble words from the founders that come across as genuine. As a little more context, the Chief HR officer at my wife's company sent it to her (as Chief marketing and Communications) saying it was the best communication she has seen. What set my wife off, and I immediately said the first thing, was I can't believe they sent this before telling employees whether they were part of the layoff. I imagine everyone reading this and freaking the fuck out, wondering if they are losing their job. I can't imagine many people were able to concentrate after the first paragraph to comprehend the rest. For employees onsite, there must have been chaos in the period between the email being sent and people starting to receive the layoff notifications. My wife was surprised the CHRO didn't think of this. Then she went to LinkedIn and saw a stream of nothing but praise.
Our CEO sent out the video yesterday, and in it said "those being laid off will be notified this afternoon". There were a lot of nervous people around, including myself.
And what's the approved protocol for how to figure out who was let go? Should the company sent out a list of the folks who got cut? The head of my division sent out an email to the 'non-RIF' people last night, and I've been going through the list of people who got the email trying to figure out who's not on it.
Telling people they’re out of a job on a Monday instead of the previous Friday is a 100% dick move.
in 2011 the company i had worked for nearly two decades closed their doors (chapter 7) on the friday before Hurricane Irene hit the NYC area. Total dick move. Waggoner is an asshat.
GoodKarma wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:55 pm
I would agree with that… It’s not too often that you see things spelled out in that much detail including the mistakes that they made.
I agree with all the comments, incredibly generous terms and very humble words from the founders that come across as genuine. As a little more context, the Chief HR officer at my wife's company sent it to her (as Chief marketing and Communications) saying it was the best communication she has seen. What set my wife off, and I immediately said the first thing, was I can't believe they sent this before telling employees whether they were part of the layoff. I imagine everyone reading this and freaking the fuck out, wondering if they are losing their job. I can't imagine many people were able to concentrate after the first paragraph to comprehend the rest. For employees onsite, there must have been chaos in the period between the email being sent and people starting to receive the layoff notifications. My wife was surprised the CHRO didn't think of this. Then she went to LinkedIn and saw a stream of nothing but praise.
Our CEO sent out the video yesterday, and in it said "those being laid off will be notified this afternoon". There were a lot of nervous people around, including myself.
And what's the approved protocol for how to figure out who was let go? Should the company sent out a list of the folks who got cut? The head of my division sent out an email to the 'non-RIF' people last night, and I've been going through the list of people who got the email trying to figure out who's not on it.
Telling people they’re out of a job on a Monday instead of the previous Friday is a 100% dick move.
in 2011 the company i had worked for nearly two decades closed their doors (chapter 7) on the friday before Hurricane Irene hit the NYC area. Total dick move. Waggoner is an asshat.
That was the most fucked up layoff rollout I've ever heard of. Shocking, even knowing the people running the company and parent company.
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Giff wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 9:33 am
Just found out one of my employees had a brain aneurysm last night and is in a coma. I've worked with her for over a decade and am pretty gutted.
Shit, Giff. I'm sorry.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
Giff wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 9:33 am
Just found out one of my employees had a brain aneurysm last night and is in a coma. I've worked with her for over a decade and am pretty gutted.
Yeah not really OK. I've worked with her for nearly 13 years. Just got an update from her sister. "not looking good. no more response to pain and gag. next test is to check brain activity. she was responding earlier. now nothing. basically machine".
My team is going to be devastated if she passes. There are several of us who have worked together for over a decade.
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