Presidential Election 2024

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:10 am

That five minutes from Michelle is a great watch if you didn’t see her speech last night.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:26 am

Also, if you missed Doug Emhoff’s full speech (13 minutes) - well worth a look-

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 6:18 am

garyclark · Post by **garyclark** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:16 am

Johnnie wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2024 10:26 pm YOOOOOOO!

It's the quick peak down that does it.

I like to imagine George W. Bush watching this and giggling.

garyclark · Post by **garyclark** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:27 am

tennbengal wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:10 am That five minutes from Michelle is a great watch if you didn’t see her speech last night.

Just unbelievable how good she is. He is fantastic, of course. But over the years, it's become more and more clear to me how much of his success is due to her influence. It makes senses, of course. I feel that way about my marriage. But I sometimes forget about it with others, especially public figures.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:42 am

Lol...

Also a great speech by the way if you like actual progress. It's time everyone started calling oligarchs what they are.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:44 am

He was just so out of place last night. That generation, just...time to step back...

Also, this was so good from Barack on Walz...

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:52 am

Last night was fucking incredible. That was just a masterclass in messaging and positioning. The Milwaukee move... fucking brilliant.

This is still The Obama's party. And that's absolutely fine. Kamala has picked up the Hope vibe and it's so much more effective than just being Never Trump. Yes, that's part of it... But it's not enough.

And they are just so fucking good at getting under Trump's skin. The crowd size and Michelle's "failing forward" stuff is going to burn.

garyclark · Post by **garyclark** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:56 am

My new favorite phrase (from Michelle) is: THE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION OF GENERATIONAL WEALTH.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:09 am

And I know I have recency bias, but... Michelle's speech has got to be in the top 5 of all time best convention speeches. Just incredible.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 12:43 pm

and soon the cult will all be experts on the Logan Act of 1799.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 12:54 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:09 am And I know I have recency bias, but... Michelle's speech has got to be in the top 5 of all time best convention speeches. Just incredible.

Brilliant speech, delivered perfectly. Some great, pointed zingers and deflating attacks, like Kamala’s laugh.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 2:57 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:09 am And I know I have recency bias, but... Michelle's speech has got to be in the top 5 of all time best convention speeches. Just incredible.

Can't wait for Melania's remix version!

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 3:10 pm

DaveInSeattle wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 2:57 pm
Nonlinear FC wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:09 am And I know I have recency bias, but... Michelle's speech has got to be in the top 5 of all time best convention speeches. Just incredible.
Can't wait for Melania's remix version!

She might keep the Donald jokes in her speech, too!

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:06 pm

From yesterday

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:14 pm

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:16 pm

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:26 pm

Bill Clinton's voice is rough...

Post by **brian** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:43 pm

DaveInSeattle wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:26 pm Bill Clinton's voice is rough...

He’s 78 and reportedly has been in ill health.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:09 pm

Rush2112 wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 12:43 pm and soon the cult will all be experts on the Logan Act of 1799.

Thank goodness the greatest Attorney General of all time will surely look into Trump doing the thing that Reagan and Nixon did!

(On a personal level, I'm glad he's not on the Supreme Court. He fucking sucks.)

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:10 pm

brian wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:43 pm
DaveInSeattle wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:26 pm Bill Clinton's voice is rough...
He’s 78 and reportedly has been in ill health.

Sucks that since he was also buddies with Epstein it completely took away that attack line with Trump.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:57 pm

Wes Moore is great.

"75 days and a wake up."

Legit.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 10:54 pm

my guy Walz really saved an uneven night. Holy hell what a speech. He's perfect for this moment.

garyclark · Post by **garyclark** » Thu Aug 22, 2024 7:05 am

I haven't seen a decent Bill Clinton speech in at least 15 years. He says mostly the same things, he is uninspiring, and his delivery has been trash long before his voice started to go.

The convention would have been stronger without either of them, but at least Hilary: a) doesn't have Bill's skeletons, and b) can give a decent speech.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Thu Aug 22, 2024 8:26 am

garyclark wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 7:05 am I haven't seen a decent Bill Clinton speech in at least 15 years. He says mostly the same things, he is uninspiring, and his delivery has been trash long before his voice started to go.

The convention would have been stronger without either of them, but at least Hilary: a) doesn't have Bill's skeletons, and b) can give a decent speech.

Yeah, I hope that was Bill’s last convention speech.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu Aug 22, 2024 9:32 am

Did Trump really "check on" a lady fainting literally less than 48 hours after Harris did same from the podium? No time stamps, constant clippage, etc. make it hard to know when things happen sometimes.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Thu Aug 22, 2024 9:32 am

Johnnie wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:57 pm Wes Moore is great.

"75 days and a wake up."

Legit.

Wes Moore is a star. I'd read about him, but never heard him speak.

I thought Mayor Pete did a great job as well.

But Tim Walz was clearly the story of the night. And god-damned...seeing his son Gus, in tears, proudly shouting "That's my dad!"...well, it got dusty in our house.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Thu Aug 22, 2024 9:39 am

tennbengal wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 10:54 pm my guy Walz really saved an uneven night. Holy hell what a speech. He's perfect for this moment.

Yeah, Clinton put the audience to sleep. Other highlights have been mentioned, but Walz really brought it home.

Hoping there aren't anymore buzz kills prior to Kamala tonight.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Thu Aug 22, 2024 9:44 am

tennbengal wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 10:54 pm my guy Walz really saved an uneven night. Holy hell what a speech. He's perfect for this moment.

Your guy Walz needs to stop fucking saying IVF though. Don't care if it's a subtle difference (and the egg not leaving the uterus is not really a subtle difference). People are fucking stupid. One innocuous lie is enough for them to draw a moral equivalency and disregard all of Trump's lying. I wish that wasn't how it works, but for fuck's sake, he should know this.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu Aug 22, 2024 9:46 am

Jerloma wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 9:44 am

Your guy Walz needs to stop fucking saying IVF though. Don't care if it's a subtle difference (and the egg not leaving the uterus is not really a subtle difference). People are fucking stupid. One innocuous lie is enough for them to draw a moral equivalency and disregard all of Trump's lying. I wish that wasn't how it works, but for fuck's sake, he should know this.

I'm gonna need you to walk me through this one. Maybe my brain is still on vacation.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Thu Aug 22, 2024 9:47 am

A_B wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 9:46 am
Jerloma wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 9:44 am

Your guy Walz needs to stop fucking saying IVF though. Don't care if it's a subtle difference (and the egg not leaving the uterus is not really a subtle difference). People are fucking stupid. One innocuous lie is enough for them to draw a moral equivalency and disregard all of Trump's lying. I wish that wasn't how it works, but for fuck's sake, he should know this.
I'm gonna need you to walk me through this one. Maybe my brain is still on vacation.

Thank goodness... I was lost reading this, as well.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Thu Aug 22, 2024 9:56 am

A_B wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 9:46 am
Jerloma wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 9:44 am

Your guy Walz needs to stop fucking saying IVF though. Don't care if it's a subtle difference (and the egg not leaving the uterus is not really a subtle difference). People are fucking stupid. One innocuous lie is enough for them to draw a moral equivalency and disregard all of Trump's lying. I wish that wasn't how it works, but for fuck's sake, he should know this.
I'm gonna need you to walk me through this one. Maybe my brain is still on vacation.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/tim ... -113000532

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:02 am

Ahh. Yeah... That's not great.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:19 am

Oh fun. Something for the media to fixate on and turn into a scandal.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:25 am

Johnnie wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:19 am Oh fun. Something for the media to fixate on and turn into a scandal.

People know what IVF is. Most have never heard of IUI. Not surprising that he uses the term "IVF" instead of IUI.

Republicans are desperate to smear a good person and his family. The swift-boating 2.0/"stolen valor" nonsense didn't work, so this is the next thing.

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:26 am

So the Republicans and their standard bearer, who lie about everything, are going to make this term a thing, one that I'm sure the vast majority of people who never experienced it wouldn't be able to parse the difference?

Miss me with that bullshit.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:31 am

You guys are more than likely correct. When you have to back up your slam with a powerpoint presentation, it's not likely to stick. They struggled with fertility issues, that's what ppl understand.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:35 am

The underlying issue is that he keeps framing it in a way that if the thing that they want banned was banned, they wouldn't have been able to have the kid.