So how massive of a scandal is this if Russia scored like Senegal just did?
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:29 am
by A_B
Poland look terrible
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:32 am
by P.D.X.
tennbengal wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:24 am
That was a crazy second goal. Player waved onto the field and straight into a breakaway. It seemed odd.
AFAIK, the whole reason for needing permission to re-enter the field is to avoid getting an advantage like that.
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:36 am
by tennbengal
Literally, the players for Poland had their backs to that sideline as the ball was played back - they had no idea they had to account for anyone over there.
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:47 am
by Rams Fanny
mister d wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:26 am
So how massive of a scandal is this if Russia scored like Senegal just did?
It would be huge but it will take more than that to get Russia by Egypt, Salah or no.
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:04 pm
by DSafetyGuy
The Sybian wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:11 pmAs soon as the US failed to qualify, Fox went with a strategy of making Mexico a second favorite team for US fans, in hopes that we would latch on to Mexico as a rooting interest and watch the World Cup. I didn't see it, but Lalas was supposed to do a special on the Mexican team introducing the players and back stories in hope casual fans watched. I don't think this strategy worked, at least I didn't see any of it, and haven't heard anyone discuss rooting for Mexico.
Landon Donovan has been on it.
Went over well, particularly with some of his former teammates.
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:13 pm
by degenerasian
And just like that, the Colombia/Poland match becomes an elimination match.
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:34 pm
by Ryan
Do I have it right that there are 14 Euro teams in this thing and the only 2 that aren't at least tied for a top 2 group spot right now are Poland and Germany?
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:37 pm
by Pruitt
The Asian teams have more wins than the South American teams.
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:52 pm
by degenerasian
Not sure if you guys can see tsn video.
Discussion of the 2nd Senegal goal
To be a little bit contrarian on that Senegal goal, there was no break on when the signal was given. The Senegal player was about to play what amounts to a clearance, then came one of the worst backpasses you’ll see at this level. You could say the back pass would not have been played if he knew a player was about to be let on, but I have my doubts about that.
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:24 pm
by Nonlinear FC
degenerasian wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:52 pm
Not sure if you guys can see tsn video.
Discussion of the 2nd Senegal goal
You just don't waive a guy on while the ball is pinging around like that. Just a really bad lapse in game management from the ref. I've never seen a ref waive a guy on while the play is that unsettled.
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:29 pm
by Nonlinear FC
Oh, and breaking news: Lalas is an insufferable prick.
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:39 pm
by mister d
Rams Fanny wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:47 amIt would be huge but it will take more than that to get Russia by Egypt, Salah or no.
; P
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:05 am
by A_B
Any time you can let one of the great headers ever get a free shot on goal you have to let him try.
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:41 am
by wlu_lax6
I think Geiger (MLS Ref) just missed a Pepe handball right there.
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:26 am
by degenerasian
wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:41 am
I think Geiger (MLS Ref) just missed a Pepe handball right there.
Usually ones that hit a leg and ride up to your own hand don't get called. VAR didn't catch it either.
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:56 am
by brian
Trying to figure out a way the next two games (URU-RSA and IRN-ESP) aren't stinkers and not getting there.
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:56 am
by degenerasian
brian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:56 am
Trying to figure out a way the next two games (URU-RSA and IRN-ESP) aren't stinkers and not getting there.
Can Iran get a draw? They have one of the best defenses in the world. Remember in 2014 they only lost to Messi in injury time.
In Asian qualifying (i know i know) they only gave up 5 goals in 18 matches. They set a record for 12 consecutive clean sheets, 1108 minutes
brian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:56 am
Trying to figure out a way the next two games (URU-RSA and IRN-ESP) aren't stinkers and not getting there.
Can Iran get a draw? They have one of the best defenses in the world. Remember in 2014 they only lost to Messi in injury time.
In Asian qualifying (i know i know) they only gave up 5 goals in 18 matches. They set a record for 12 consecutive clean sheets, 1108 minutes
brian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:56 am
Trying to figure out a way the next two games (URU-RSA and IRN-ESP) aren't stinkers and not getting there.
Can Iran get a draw? They have one of the best defenses in the world. Remember in 2014 they only lost to Messi in injury time.
In Asian qualifying (i know i know) they only gave up 5 goals in 18 matches. They set a record for 12 consecutive clean sheets, 1108 minutes
Plus the clean sheet against Morocco.
90 mins of ons-sided attacking = stinker
Although this URU:KSA match isn't bad.
Now that I think more about it. Iran playing for two draws might not be good enough. Three teams could have 5 points and they would lose in goal difference because of the 3-3 draw.
So really Iran have nothing to lose today. Even if they lose 10-0 they just have to beat Portugal to advance, which they might have to do anyways.
brian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:56 am
Trying to figure out a way the next two games (URU-RSA and IRN-ESP) aren't stinkers and not getting there.
Can Iran get a draw? They have one of the best defenses in the world. Remember in 2014 they only lost to Messi in injury time.
In Asian qualifying (i know i know) they only gave up 5 goals in 18 matches. They set a record for 12 consecutive clean sheets, 1108 minutes
Plus the clean sheet against Morocco.
90 mins of ons-sided attacking = stinker
Although this URU:KSA match isn't bad.
Now that I think more about it. Iran playing for two draws might not be good enough. Three teams could have 5 points and they would lose in goal difference because of the 3-3 draw.
So really Iran have nothing to lose today. Even if they lose 10-0 they just have to beat Portugal to advance, which they might have to do anyways.
Managers seldom seem to see it this way, though you're right. They have to beat either Spain or Portugal to advance. Three draws isn't going to do it.
brian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:56 am
Trying to figure out a way the next two games (URU-RSA and IRN-ESP) aren't stinkers and not getting there.
Can Iran get a draw? They have one of the best defenses in the world. Remember in 2014 they only lost to Messi in injury time.
In Asian qualifying (i know i know) they only gave up 5 goals in 18 matches. They set a record for 12 consecutive clean sheets, 1108 minutes
Plus the clean sheet against Morocco.
90 mins of ons-sided attacking = stinker
Although this URU:KSA match isn't bad.
Now that I think more about it. Iran playing for two draws might not be good enough. Three teams could have 5 points and they would lose in goal difference because of the 3-3 draw.
So really Iran have nothing to lose today. Even if they lose 10-0 they just have to beat Portugal to advance, which they might have to do anyways.
How does a 3-3 draw affect goal difference? Both Spain and Portugal game out of that match with a gd of 0.
brian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:56 am
Trying to figure out a way the next two games (URU-RSA and IRN-ESP) aren't stinkers and not getting there.
Can Iran get a draw? They have one of the best defenses in the world. Remember in 2014 they only lost to Messi in injury time.
In Asian qualifying (i know i know) they only gave up 5 goals in 18 matches. They set a record for 12 consecutive clean sheets, 1108 minutes
Plus the clean sheet against Morocco.
90 mins of ons-sided attacking = stinker
Although this URU:KSA match isn't bad.
Now that I think more about it. Iran playing for two draws might not be good enough. Three teams could have 5 points and they would lose in goal difference because of the 3-3 draw.
So really Iran have nothing to lose today. Even if they lose 10-0 they just have to beat Portugal to advance, which they might have to do anyways.
Managers seldom seem to see it this way, though you're right. They have to beat either Spain or Portugal to advance. Three draws isn't going to do it.
brian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:56 am
Trying to figure out a way the next two games (URU-RSA and IRN-ESP) aren't stinkers and not getting there.
Can Iran get a draw? They have one of the best defenses in the world. Remember in 2014 they only lost to Messi in injury time.
In Asian qualifying (i know i know) they only gave up 5 goals in 18 matches. They set a record for 12 consecutive clean sheets, 1108 minutes
Plus the clean sheet against Morocco.
90 mins of ons-sided attacking = stinker
Although this URU:KSA match isn't bad.
Now that I think more about it. Iran playing for two draws might not be good enough. Three teams could have 5 points and they would lose in goal difference because of the 3-3 draw.
So really Iran have nothing to lose today. Even if they lose 10-0 they just have to beat Portugal to advance, which they might have to do anyways.
How does a 3-3 draw affect goal difference? Both Spain and Portugal game out of that match with a gd of 0.
If Iran draw their next two matches they have a GD of +1.
If Spain and Portugal both beat Morocco, they would have a GD of at least +1 and their 3-3 draw would trump any of Iran's draws.
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:45 am
by P.D.X.
Goals scored is the 2nd tie-breaker? That was the long way to get to that.
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:56 am
by brian
I thought Iran drew their opener. My bad. Two draws (as unlikely as that is) could be enough for them to go through.
I'm a little more dubious than degen on Iran's defense though.
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:05 pm
by degenerasian
P.D.X. wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:45 am
Goals scored is the 2nd tie-breaker? That was the long way to get to that.
brian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:56 am
I thought Iran drew their opener. My bad. Two draws (as unlikely as that is) could be enough for them to go through.
I'm a little more dubious than degen on Iran's defense though.
Portugal beat Morocco 1-0
If Spain beats Morocco 1-0 too
and if Iran-Spain and Iran-Portugal are both draws (say 0-0)
Then Spain and Portugal would both have 5 points with 4 goals for and 3 against, that would beat Iran who would have 5 points but only 1 goal for and 0 against
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:10 pm
by P.D.X.
"Overall goals scored is the 2nd tie-breaker" is less words.
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:10 pm
by brian
No, I hear you but there's other results that could see them going through with 5 points. I get the overall point that they still probably need to win one of their two remaining games.
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:36 pm
by degenerasian
P.D.X. wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:10 pm
"Overall goals scored is the 2nd tie-breaker" is less words.
brian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:56 am
Trying to figure out a way the next two games (URU-RSA and IRN-ESP) aren't stinkers and not getting there.
Can Iran get a draw? They have one of the best defenses in the world. Remember in 2014 they only lost to Messi in injury time.
In Asian qualifying (i know i know) they only gave up 5 goals in 18 matches. They set a record for 12 consecutive clean sheets, 1108 minutes
Plus the clean sheet against Morocco.
This game is garbage. Possession is 21 to 4 minutes.
brian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:56 am
Trying to figure out a way the next two games (URU-RSA and IRN-ESP) aren't stinkers and not getting there.
Can Iran get a draw? They have one of the best defenses in the world. Remember in 2014 they only lost to Messi in injury time.
In Asian qualifying (i know i know) they only gave up 5 goals in 18 matches. They set a record for 12 consecutive clean sheets, 1108 minutes
Plus the clean sheet against Morocco.
This game is garbage. Possession is 21 to 4 minutes.
bunker ball sucks ass.
Was just going to say that same thing. Fuck Iran.
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:37 pm
by A_B
It is no fun to watch for sure
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:38 pm
by cerrano
not only does this game suck, but fucking vuvuzelas and the fox sound not being synced up is making this more unpleasant than it needs to be.
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:39 pm
by brian
Get ready for more of it when the World Cup expands to 48 teams.
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:43 pm
by P.D.X.
Iran looking like a concacaf team out there
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:44 pm
by Nonlinear FC
brian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:39 pm
Get ready for more of it when the World Cup expands to 48 teams.
Exactly.
Just what we need, a bunch of mediocre-->bad teams bunkering against top teams from Europe and S.A.
As long as undeserving China gets in and we ensure average US NEVER miss... Crisis averted.
Re: World Cup 2018 --Pre and Group Stages
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:46 pm
by Nonlinear FC
P.D.X. wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:43 pm
Iran looking like a concacaf team out there
US beat Spain Confed Cup in a straight up game.
I know what you mean. This is exactly what Panama tried to do. But other teams like US, MEX and Costa Rica would at least ATTEMPT TO PLAY OFFENSE.