Giff wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:01 am
Um, where's the fear-mongering?
Yeah am I reading that headline wrong or something?
If the headline read "Only 1 out of over eleven thousand, 3 times less likely than drawing four of a kind on five cards", it could've been more pro-science.
Anyway, I get my 2nd Pfizer next Friday at the South Jersey Megasite.
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:49 pm
by tennbengal
Giff wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:01 am
Um, where's the fear-mongering?
In THAT article? None. What we have been hearing for weeks about OMG BREAKTHROUGH CASES and blood clots six people out of seven million? More.
My point was, the news is fantastic, and good luck getting that larger point out to people through most forms of eyeball driven media clicks and hot takes.
Giff wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:01 am
Um, where's the fear-mongering?
In THAT article? None. What we have been hearing for weeks about OMG BREAKTHROUGH CASES and blood clots six people out of seven million? More.
My point was, the news is fantastic, and good luck getting that larger point out to people through most forms of eyeball driven media clicks and hot takes.
Yeah, my MiL was freaking out over "all the fully vaccinated people in the hospitals." I thought those numbers were low and showing the vaccine is effective.
Giff wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:01 am
Um, where's the fear-mongering?
In THAT article? None. What we have been hearing for weeks about OMG BREAKTHROUGH CASES and blood clots six people out of seven million? More.
My point was, the news is fantastic, and good luck getting that larger point out to people through most forms of eyeball driven media clicks and hot takes.
Yeah, my MiL was freaking out over "all the fully vaccinated people in the hospitals." I thought those numbers were low and showing the vaccine is effective.
I think the proper terms are "Doctors" and "Nurses"
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:46 pm
by BSF21
I believe I just saw something that said a good alternate headline if they weren't fearmonger for clickbait would be "vaccine said to be 98% effective is actually 99.993% effective."
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:49 pm
by A_B
BSF21 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:46 pm
I believe I just saw something that said a good alternate headline if they weren't fearmonger for clickbait would be "vaccine said to be 98% effective is actually 99.993% effective."
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:18 pm
by tennbengal
BSF21 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:46 pm
I believe I just saw something that said a good alternate headline if they weren't fearmonger for clickbait would be "vaccine said to be 98% effective is actually 99.993% effective."
BSF21 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:46 pm
I believe I just saw something that said a good alternate headline if they weren't fearmonger for clickbait would be "vaccine said to be 98% effective is actually 99.993% effective."
That is so fucked up from CNN.
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:33 pm
by DSafetyGuy
Gotta get dem clicks!
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:12 am
by Gunpowder
I mean that's how I read that headline. "Tens of millions" seems to be emphasis on just how rare this is.
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:21 am
by BSF21
Gunpowder wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:12 am
I mean that's how I read that headline. "Tens of millions" seems to be emphasis on just how rare this is.
"Why aren't vaccines 100% effective? The science behind .003% of vaccinated Americans who have still contracted COVID post-vaccination."
Maybe it really just depends on how you read it but the tens of millions didn't stick out to me at all. Maybe that's just a function of the numeric versus written out numbers being used?
I'm just saying in an environment where you want to promote science and get people to trust this and get back to normal, you could put these articles out in a much more informative and much less fear based clickbait way.
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:24 am
by Gunpowder
If I were trying to make a case that something was wrong with this site, the last thing I'd say in a message to an admin would be "I've had problems with 5 messages out of tens of thousands that I've tried to post".
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:27 am
by BSF21
I guess that's my point. You wouldn't be trying to make the case at all because there's more than likely absolutely nothing wrong with the site.
The article is either unnecessary from a statistical significance point or attempting to achieve a goal by getting people to react with "wait a minute, does that mean the vaccine doesn't work?". Both are horseshit and inflammatory in the current climate in my opinion.
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:28 am
by A_B
I think the word "anyway" is the problem. Almost a "no matter what we did, people got sick anyway!"
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:16 pm
by rass
For any of you local guys, if you have any friends or family having issues getting dosed, the Clifton (Passaic Co) health department portal is now open and booking appts for next Wednesday. Moderna and drive thru, never have to leave the car.
cliftonnj dot org
Link should be on the front page
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:31 pm
by mister d
But don't go to that Clifton Target. Last March they said they had Ninentdo Switch consoles in stock but then when I got there they didn't and I had to drive into B&H and then B&H gave me the wrong game so I had to go to Best Buy in Vauxhall and be like "my kid got this as a gift, I'm just looking to swap it for this other game" and thankfully they were cool with that.
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:33 pm
by rass
Just appreciate you identifying it as being in Vauxhall and not Millburn.
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:38 pm
by mister d
Oh yeah, fuck that town-ist nonsense.
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:58 pm
by Steve of phpBB
Sitting with my daughter in the observation area. Our family has now gotten 8 of our 10 shots (including my Mom).
My son gets his second Pfizer on Wednesday. Then he turns 21 two days later. So he’ll probably get the hangover without the drunk.
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:55 pm
by tennbengal
A_B wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:28 am
I think the word "anyway" is the problem. Almost a "no matter what we did, people got sick anyway!"
This. Exactly this.
SL - here is what they wrote:
About 5,800 people out of tens of millions who have been vaccinated against coronavirus have become infected anyway, the CDC says
Here is what they could have written that would have not been the bullshit they wrote:
Just under 5,800 people out of tens of millions who have been vaccinated against coronavirus have become infected, the CDC says
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:56 pm
by Reaper
ESPN's headline (as well as many others very similar) is bothering me:
"San Francisco Giants' Jake McGee, Logan Webb go on IL after getting vaccine"
I'm not really sure why because it's not nearly as bad as the CNN "anyway" headline. Maybe because I feel like the Giants are using the Covid IL for roster management. Need a spot to activate Wood, don't need Webb until Tuesday, put him on IL. McGee blew his first save, won't be available Sunday, put him on IL, activate him on Monday. It's a team gaming the new system and using it to their advantage, while kinda signaling false alarms about vaccine side effects. I'm not trying to say they may not have side effects, but a term like "lingering effects" in an article is vague or ambiguous enough for some to say stupid shit like "see, even professional athletes say the vaccine is bad for them."
Oh, and I'll add that I got first-dose Pfizered up today and have had no effects whatsoever 12 hours in.
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:29 pm
by sancarlos
Reaper wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:56 pm
ESPN's headline (as well as many others very similar) is bothering me:
"San Francisco Giants' Jake McGee, Logan Webb go on IL after getting vaccine"
I'm not really sure why because it's not nearly as bad as the CNN "anyway" headline. Maybe because I feel like the Giants are using the Covid IL for roster management. Need a spot to activate Wood, don't need Webb until Tuesday, put him on IL. McGee blew his first save, won't be available Sunday, put him on IL, activate him on Monday. It's a team gaming the new system and using it to their advantage, while kinda signaling false alarms about vaccine side effects. I'm not trying to say they may not have side effects, but a term like "lingering effects" in an article is vague or ambiguous enough for some to say stupid shit like "see, even professional athletes say the vaccine is bad for them."
Oh, and I'll add that I got first-dose Pfizered up today and have had no effects whatsoever 12 hours in.
I don’t think we should assume they are gaming the system. But, it’s my understanding that most people with adverse reactions only suffer them for a day or two, so maybe they are?
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:45 pm
by Jerloma
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:59 pm
by govmentchedda
Perfect video to watch during my 15 minute observation period for shot #2!
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:30 pm
by wlu_lax6
Got the Pfizer poke today at the mass clinic location at the Tysons Corners Mall. Most people I have been near in a year. It was an amusement park. Each time you thought you were making promises you entered another set of swtichback lines around the corner. Started out in the middle of the mall between the conveyor belt sushi owned by some friends of ours and the phone fix-it kiosk. But the actual site was a former Lord and Taylor so my injection occurred right under the Polo Ralph Lauren sign still hanging on the wall. So you know I am getting some high quality designer vaccine. None of that Old Navy Vaccine.
of course all last night and today i feel like i got hit by a truck - brutal. my 74 yr old parents got on a plane the next day, no ill effects. Obvious where the weak link in the family is...
of course all last night and today i feel like i got hit by a truck - brutal. my 74 yr old parents got on a plane the next day, no ill effects. Obvious where the weak link in the family is...
Younger people (better immune system) tend to have worse side effects. Just realized, I am at the two week mark after my second dose, so I am immortal (that's how it works, right?). Let the orgies commence!!!
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 6:53 am
by MaxWebster
:D
don't know how legit it is that i get to be called one of the "younger people" but i'll take it
last night i fell asleep in the basement fully clothed, woke at 3:30am feeling like 99% better. 24hrs of feeling like dogshit in exchange for being vaccinated? I'm in every time.
of course all last night and today i feel like i got hit by a truck - brutal. my 74 yr old parents got on a plane the next day, no ill effects. Obvious where the weak link in the family is...
Younger people (better immune system) tend to have worse side effects. Just realized, I am at the two week mark after my second dose, so I am immortal (that's how it works, right?). Let the orgies commence!!!
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:23 am
by govmentchedda
Shot #2 +2 days. Similar boat. Great night sleep last night has me feeling much better than yesterday. I wouldn't say I felt like dogshit, but it was headed that way.
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:59 am
by DaveInSeattle
Got pfizer#2 yesterday morning. Arm really starting to hurt last night. Didn't sleep much last night, and not feeling so great this morning. Kinda feels like a bad hangover.
And of course I've got meetings all morning (note to self: Don't get vaccine shots during Big Room Planning), but I've powered through work hangovers before. I'm seeing a long nap this afternoon.
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:06 am
by sancarlos
Good job, Max, Chedda, DiS! I passed two weeks since my #2 shot yesterday, and it’s exhilarating.
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:36 am
by DSafetyGuy
Moderna #2 about two hours ago. Opted for the shot in my left shoulder this time (already a light dull soreness), as the soreness in my right arm was aggravating four weeks ago.
Ten-year-old has been prepped for dealing with potentially semi-absentee parents tomorrow.
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:38 am
by BSF21
DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:36 am
Moderna #2 about two hours ago. Opted for the shot in my left shoulder this time (already a light dull soreness), as the soreness in my right arm was aggravating four weeks ago.
Ten-year-old has been prepped for dealing with potentially semi-absentee parents tomorrow.
Pizza and vidyagames for 48 straight hours while mom and dad lay on the couch seems like a pretty solid deal for a 10yo
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:39 am
by mister d
sancarlos wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:06 am
Good job, Max, Chedda, DiS! I passed two weeks since my #2 shot yesterday, and it’s exhilarating.
I've got 4 hours to go before I never have to wear a mask again.
DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:36 am
Moderna #2 about two hours ago. Opted for the shot in my left shoulder this time (already a light dull soreness), as the soreness in my right arm was aggravating four weeks ago.
Ten-year-old has been prepped for dealing with potentially semi-absentee parents tomorrow.
Pizza and vidyagames for 48 straight hours while mom and dad lay on the couch seems like a pretty solid deal for a 10yo
There's a six-year-old, also. We're not paying for her to "babysit", if needed.
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:20 pm
by HaulCitgo
Naruto has like 10 seasons. My kid can get missing for days between that and rocket league.
of course all last night and today i feel like i got hit by a truck - brutal. my 74 yr old parents got on a plane the next day, no ill effects. Obvious where the weak link in the family is...
Younger people (better immune system) tend to have worse side effects. Just realized, I am at the two week mark after my second dose, so I am immortal (that's how it works, right?). Let the orgies commence!!!
From what you've, the orgy is within spitting distance. Decent bottle always works.
Re: A Nasty Stiffarm
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:40 pm
by EnochRoot
Tour! Mayhem! It's just a shot away, it's just a shot away...
sancarlos wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:06 am
Good job, Max, Chedda, DiS! I passed two weeks since my #2 shot yesterday, and it’s exhilarating.
I've got 4 hours to go before I never have to wear a mask again.
Anyone else just learned today that J&J is 4 weeks post-shot, not 2 weeks like the others?
I hadn't heard that, but still shorter than Pfizer/Moderna, right? Pfizer is five week from shot 1 to full protection (shot 2 is three weeks after shot 1 and then two more weeks to full protection), and Moderna 6 weeks from shot 1 to full protection.