Presidential Election 2024

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:45 am

The Sybian wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:36 am
tennbengal wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:35 am I lived in Springfield, OH from 1994 - 1996, that's where I had my church when I was doing the student pastor thing before quitting seminary. My oldest was born in Springfield. To say I have thoughts on what Vance and Trump are doing is an understatement. Just the basest barenaked pure evil.
You were in the seminary???

Oh, yeah, lol. I guess that isn't something I've ever really discussed in here. Yes, my dad was a United Methodist minister, so I grew up a preacher's kid and drifted into it after college. Got halfway through - I was REALLY good at it but...I also don't actually believe the shit you need to believe to do it and at some point that cognitive dissidence got too much to square and I quit and Jen and I moved to Nashville. Then on to Memphis for law school and that's where I was to start my legal career and when this site came into existence. And then 20 more years passes and here we are. And what not. I had a front row seat and have had a front row seat to the insanity that has taken over Protestants - basically anyone who could think walked the fuck away from religion and those that were left are Christian nationalists at this point (that's an over-simplification but also, broad strokes, not wrong either...)

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:49 am

getting Dusty in here

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:51 am

And over a billion Catholics.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:58 am

tennbengal wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:35 amTo say I have thoughts on what Vance and Trump are doing is an understatement. Just the basest barenaked pure evil.

Wow. That must be especially difficult to deal with.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:03 am

tennbengal wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:45 am Yes, my dad was a United Methodist minister,

Mine was too! I never really thought about going into the seminary, but my siblings thought I was the most likely to follow in Dad's footsteps. (He was very much a "God loves you" liberal commie minister than fire and brimstone though.)

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:57 am

Rush2112 wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:03 am
tennbengal wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:45 am Yes, my dad was a United Methodist minister,
Mine was too! I never really thought about going into the seminary, but my siblings thought I was the most likely to follow in Dad's footsteps. (He was very much a "God loves you" liberal commie minister than fire and brimstone though.)

Yeah, mine too. Most UMC clergy were more the god loves you types - that was what UM used to be. They've finally schismed over ordination of gay clergy and gay marriage which...unreal that was still an argument but the hard right evangelical types have split I guess. Fuck 'em all really. My understanding of christianity was pretty rooted in the do unto others as you would have them do unto you thing, and an understanding that the Jesus figure really cared about everyone and realizing that, holy shit, NOT TOO MANY OTHERS SEEM TO HAVE LANDED IN THAT BASIC PART OF THE FAITH so I peaced out especially with the whole refuse to say the words espousing belief in Holy Trinity etc etc etc.

In any event, what is left of mainline protestant christianity is a shell of what it was, mega churches are evil as shit, and the christo-fascists who are trying to finish taking this country over are beyond terrifying. Have a good monday.

Post by **brian** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 3:28 pm

Like a tree falling in the forest making no sound is it really an assassination “attempt” if no shots are fired?

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 3:30 pm

Look at that...Rich Lowry, editor of National Review and the guy who saw "starbursts" during the Sarah Palin/Biden debate back in 2008, and the recent writer of the nonsensical "Trump can win on Character" op-ed in the New York Times, just casually dropping the N-Word on the Megyn Kelly Show.

How long until Trump does it? Or until Vance breaks out the "they can say it...why can't we?" argument?

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 3:57 pm

While I think it's funny to suggest he was about to full Tarantino, I think that may have been just a normal run of the mill slip up. I'll go Hanlon's Razor, but certainly wouldn't be surprised if I were wrong.

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 4:04 pm

It would be really unfortunate if the companies who advertise on her show like Birch Gold, DirecTV, FanDuel, MyPatriotSupply, and Walmart learn about this.

(and yes, I get that the people running those companies probably share his views and say it in private, but they also wouldn't want to be associated with people who say them so casually. Money talks.)

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 4:06 pm

Oh… and Geese Lives Matter.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 5:42 pm

A_B wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 3:57 pm While I think it's funny to suggest he was about to full Tarantino, I think that may have been just a normal run of the mill slip up. I'll go Hanlon's Razor, but certainly wouldn't be surprised if I were wrong.

That’s generous. What word was he almost saying?

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:50 pm

A_B wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 3:57 pm While I think it's funny to suggest he was about to full Tarantino, I think that may have been just a normal run of the mill slip up. I'll go Hanlon's Razor, but certainly wouldn't be surprised if I were wrong.

As I saw someone else say....would Rich Lowry give you the benefit of the doubt?

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 9:42 am

So great...

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 9:45 am

The Sybian wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 5:42 pm
A_B wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 3:57 pm While I think it's funny to suggest he was about to full Tarantino, I think that may have been just a normal run of the mill slip up. I'll go Hanlon's Razor, but certainly wouldn't be surprised if I were wrong.
That’s generous. What word was he almost saying?

Miggrants.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 10:16 am

I kinda do see how that's an honest slip-up but fuck him.

Post by **Shirley** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 10:55 am

Can you lend a miggrant a pencil?

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:54 am

mister d wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 10:16 am I kinda do see how that's an honest slip-up but fuck him.

I'm the opposite way on this. The only related word with a short-i vowel sound is immigrant, but that starts with "im," and there's no innocent way to get from there to where he ended up.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:08 pm

But if he's reading off something, its really just MY-grant vs MIG-rant.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:14 pm

mister d wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 10:16 am I kinda do see how that's an honest slip-up but fuck him.

This is where I was trying to go. Fuck him all the way off either way.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:14 pm

Mig Rants was Dennis Miller's 1987 stand up tour. Just kidding, that was also the n-word.

EdRomero · Post by **EdRomero** » Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:12 am

brian wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2024 3:28 pm Like a tree falling in the forest making no sound is it really an assassination “attempt” if no shots are fired?

Tin foil hat time: Secret Service was not suppose to miss the potential assasin and now he will "commit suicide" in jail.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Wed Sep 18, 2024 11:45 am

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Wed Sep 18, 2024 2:04 pm

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Wed Sep 18, 2024 3:18 pm

Post by **brian** » Wed Sep 18, 2024 3:22 pm

Yeah you’ll see various Teamster locals all come out for Harris now. I have a buddy high up in the AZ Teamsters and they’re coordinating a Kamala endorsement to come soon.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:53 pm

This is some embarrassing shit for a labor union, though.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:17 pm

Voting for the side that wants to completely destroy your wages and labor protections is brilliant. Good work, everyone.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:21 pm

Alpha males scare so easily.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Wed Sep 18, 2024 7:47 pm

Is the Teamsters Union overwhelmingly white men?

Post by **brian** » Wed Sep 18, 2024 7:53 pm

Johnnie wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 7:47 pm Is the Teamsters Union overwhelmingly white men?

Think you answered your own question there.

The Teamsters membership at large seems to have some huge logic gap where they think they’re so powerful they’re immune to most governmental interference.

The leadership is not so Pollyanna-ish so there’s a big disconnect between the leadership and the rank and file.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:02 pm

As in much of America, the IBT members who support Trump appear to mostly come from red states. Now, the New York, Wisconsin and Michigan teamsters have joined the west coast in endorsing Harris.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Thu Sep 19, 2024 3:13 pm

She looks like a racist Funko Pop.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Thu Sep 19, 2024 5:27 pm

The Good Liars are fucking great.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Fri Sep 20, 2024 9:42 am

They are trying to ratfuck Nebraska again.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Fri Sep 20, 2024 10:42 am

All states should really be splitting them according to popular vote (rounded off, of course), which would allow them to keep this arcane system while also making all states matter. Too rational I guess.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Sep 20, 2024 10:55 am

Unless its popular vote there's always going to be bullshit in play, whether its this late EC change or census fuckery or whatever.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Fri Sep 20, 2024 11:14 am

Man, I really fucking like this guy.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Fri Sep 20, 2024 11:36 am

Gunpowder wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 10:42 am All states should really be splitting them according to popular vote (rounded off, of course), which would allow them to keep this arcane system while also making all states matter. Too rational I guess.

Several states have adopted the National Popular Vote initiative, where the state pledges its electoral votes to whoever wins the popular vote nationally. The laws state that this allocation will go into effect when 270 EVs' worth of states adopt it.

I think they've gotten about 180 EVs on board. But of course, it's only blue states that have done that.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Fri Sep 20, 2024 12:25 pm

Gunpowder wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 10:42 am All states should really be splitting them according to popular vote (rounded off, of course), which would allow them to keep this arcane system while also making all states matter. Too rational I guess.

Would be gerrymandered to the extreme