The Swamp

So bizarre seeing a normal, cordial debate. I almost forgot what that looked like. I can't see last night moving the dial for anyone other than the one undecided voter on NBC after the debate. He said he is leaning Harris, because Vance avoided answering many questions. I thought Vance came across as normal, which is a huge feat for him. I expected he'd be really good in a debate format, and he was. If I didn't understand the issues thoroughly, I would have thought he made sense and made good points.

I was nervous about Walz beforehand, unsure how he'd perform in a debate. Townhall style, I think he'd crush Vance. Walz was very shaky on the first question, be he settled in quickly and was strong after the first 10 minutes. He misspoke a bunch, but nothing bad. Things like saying he knows a school shooter instead of saying a school shooting victim. Nothing the GOP can exploit. And I think he came across strong in admitting he misspoke when he said he was in China during the Tiananmen Square protest. First, I doubt many people knew what Vance was on about, and two, he admitted he wrong and it wasn't like a lie for political gain.

Just to put things in context and to follow up on my post last night. Despite all this coverage (which we all know why the media acts like this is a big deal), VP debates very rarely move the needle... at all.

Trump getting his ass handed to him last month moved the needle.

My concern is that in a race this tight, "rarely" could be enough. Substance doesn't seem to matter in these debates as much as aesthetics, and Vance's weirdness was definitely a detriment to that ticket, and they had been doing such a great job exploiting that before last night.

I imagine there was a lot of risk of losing the entire Walz narrative if he came out as too politician-y or aggressive or dick-ish. I don't want to assume solid strategies since before recently they haven't been all that great, but if the entire point was to let Vance get settled before nailing the soundbite on 2020, its worth it. Tie him at the hip to Trump so people can't justify it with "really I'm just voting for Vance".

No undecided swing voters were watching the VP debate. They'd only learn anything about it if there were an obvious soundbite that could go viral on TikTok. From what I understand (I didn't watch it either), there was nothing that really qualified. No "they're eating the dogs!"

Johnnie wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:19 pm

Maybe he’s just been on TB12

rass wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:24 pmMaybe he’s just been on TB12

Lol.

Then there's this:

I still can't get over how being apathetic over your VP being hanged isn't disqualifying. I know, I know...but still!

Johnnie wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:19 pm

Damn. I know there were creative differences but leaving Pink Floyd to write for the tabloids is a hard turn.

A_B wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 7:18 am [

Damn. I know there were creative differences but leaving Pink Floyd to write for the tabloids is a hard turn.

There is no money in music, so he turned to journalism.

The Sybian wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 10:40 am

A_B wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 7:18 am [

Damn. I know there were creative differences but leaving Pink Floyd to write for the tabloids is a hard turn.

There is no money in music, so he turned to journalism.

Must think he needs a Learjet.

Johnnie wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:19 pm

Laura Loomer is all over it...

JD Vance’s Old Yale Law Classmates Raise Money for Springfield’s Haitian Residents

Dozens of former classmates of Senator JD Vance of Ohio spent Tuesday night’s vice-presidential debate donating money to a fund for Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio, raising more than $10,000.

In interviews, some donors characterized the contributions as an effort to repair part of the damage the Trump-Vance campaign — and Mr. Vance himself — caused by spreading bogus rumors that migrants were stealing and eating pets. Haitians living in Springfield and the broader community have faced an array of threats over the debunked claims.

Peter Chen — who was a member of the Yale Law Class of 2013 along with Mr. Vance and his wife, Usha Vance — organized the campaign in a class discussion group on Tuesday.

Mr. Chen, who grew up near Chicago and is the son of immigrants, said in an interview that he was gratified to see that more than 50 classmates, or about one-quarter of the class, had donated, posting notes of solidarity with Springfield’s Haitian community.

Canadian journalist takes Greyhound from Los Angeles to New York City. 16 days, talks about the election and how diverse the US is

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/a ... gift_share

better than the last story i remember about a canadian on a bus.

A_B wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 10:34 am better than the last story i remember about a canadian on a bus.

This is the much safer American Greyhound. Canadian Greyhound doesn't even exist anymore.

degenerasian wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 10:15 am Canadian journalist takes Greyhound from Los Angeles to New York City. 16 days, talks about the election and how diverse the US is

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/a ... gift_share

The smells alone probably would warrant its own story.

The plot to control the weather is working as planned.

Two Simpsons refs via twitter a row what’s become of us no wonder bapo! doesn’t hang out much

(Sorry for the double post, but this is great.)

Bone Spurs N Hominy

Jesus. This photo is creepy.



Seems like a default for him though.

Exceptionally alpha to lower one’s head but not forehead upon shaking hands.

The right is really pushing the lie that the Feds aren't spending enough money/resources on Hurricane relief.

If you see the $750 in immediate assistance on your social feeds... That's not the only money individuals are eligible to apply for.. the $750 is just for immediate relief. You can get up to $42k from FEMA for repairs or towards a new home.

And this has nothing to do with the hundreds of millions already pledged to the state governments.

People are so fucking gullible... They just want to be angry.

Nonlinear FC wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 9:47 am The right is really pushing the lie that the Feds aren't spending enough money/resources on Hurricane relief.

If you see the $750 in immediate assistance on your social feeds... That's not the only money individuals are eligible to apply for.. the $750 is just for immediate relief. You can get up to $42k from FEMA for repairs or towards a new home.

And this has nothing to do with the hundreds of millions already pledged to the state governments.

People are so fucking gullible... They just want to be angry.

So now Republicans want the federal government to give out more money? Those damned small government Libs!

it would be sad if it didn't directly affect the fking rest of us.

I actually do a lot of peripheral (very unimportant in the scheme of things) work around this and see how fking *amped up* the government gets (i.e. today) prepping for disasters - we're all on red alert again this week and tons of maps/documents are being prepped today in advance of this particular storm so relief funds *can* get out beforehand...

fk those people to their imagined hell.

Nonlinear FC wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 9:47 am The right is really pushing the lie that the Feds aren't spending enough money/resources on Hurricane relief.

If you see the $750 in immediate assistance on your social feeds... That's not the only money individuals are eligible to apply for.. the $750 is just for immediate relief. You can get up to $42k from FEMA for repairs or towards a new home.

And this has nothing to do with the hundreds of millions already pledged to the state governments.

People are so fucking gullible... They just want to be angry.

What they are claiming is that all of the money we are spending to house "illegal" immigrants has been siphoned from the money that should be spent on hurricane relief.

Surprised they haven't thrown something about trans people into this mix.

Nonlinear FC wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 10:01 am What they are claiming is that all of the money we are spending to house "illegal" immigrants has been siphoned from the money that should be spent on hurricane relief.

Surprised they haven't thrown something about trans people into this mix.

And of course, they're thinking that at least in part, because Trump did (or maybe tried to do) that. And of course, they want to tie everything bad to illegal immigrants and trans kids.

Nonlinear FC wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 10:01 am What they are claiming is that all of the money we are spending to house "illegal" immigrants has been siphoned from the money that should be spent on hurricane relief.

Surprised they haven't thrown something about trans people into this mix.

They have! That money that should be going to hurricane relief is paying for jailed immigrants' transitions.

For the first time ever I'm going to listen to the Call Her Daddy podcast. Thanks, Kamala.

The Rest is Politics did a 4-part series with Anthony Scaramucci on how Trump won in 2016. Got PTSD listening to this but very interesting behind the scenes stuff.

[+] spoiler

This time Scarmucci is on Kamala's side and has been advising her not to make the same mistakes Hillary did.

Not a freakout, but really funny:

"Basically" doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

the whole interview was quite funny.

What a time, Trump on Flagrant, Kamala on Call Her Daddy

degenerasian wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2024 4:13 pm the whole interview was quite funny.

What a time, Trump on Flagrant, Kamala on Call Her Daddy

Is that Andrew Schultz? He seemed like he could be Trumpy, so that’s interesting. Should I know “Call Her Daddy?” It gets mentioned like it’s a cornerstone of culture, but with so much media out there, I’m just stuck in my corner of what I watch and listen to.