The Swamp

The Sybian wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:56 pm Taking Brian's football analogy, I think impeachment would be like choosing to throw the ball when you know in advance there is a 99.9999% chance of a pick six, with Mister D in the stands, going full kit wanker (with helmet and team logo receiver gloves) screaming throw it deep to prove we aren't pussies!!!

Do I want Trump impeached? Fuck yes, probably more than I have ever wanted anything in my life. If I was asked that survey question, I would say the Dems shouldn't impeach right now, because it will be a huge victory for Trump when the Senate votes with Trump. He will steal the narrative screaming from the rooftops that he was acquitted of all wrong doing, and proof that the Dems are so desperate they will try to impeach because Trump is winning so much and they hate America. The problem with this, is most swing voters and low information voters will come away thinking the Dems are just out to get Trump, and Trump must not have done anything impeachable since he was acquitted. I've heard lots of mildly anti-Trump people complaining that the Dems won't let the Russia thing go, saying Trump didn't do anything wrong. I've heard people saying the Mueller testimony was a stupid waste of time by desperate Dems who can't accept Mueller's investigation was a witch hunt that amounted to nothing.

Unfortunately, the key to victory in 2020 is winning the low info swing voter. While they may not like Trump, dragging us through an unwinnable impeachment proceeding will annoy them and make them thinks the Dems don't have anything on Trump. Until there is reason to believe a few Republican Senators will consider impeachment, starting proceedings is just handing Trump an enormous win. It's frustrating as fuck, and sickening that the GOP in Congress are such a pile of spineless fuckwits that they let waves on insanity, incompetence, ignorance and corruption occur in direct view of the world every fucking day without the balls to call it out.

EdRomero wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:41 pm

The Sybian wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:56 pm Taking Brian's football analogy, I think impeachment would be like choosing to throw the ball when you know in advance there is a 99.9999% chance of a pick six, with Mister D in the stands, going full kit wanker (with helmet and team logo receiver gloves) screaming throw it deep to prove we aren't pussies!!!

Do I want Trump impeached? Fuck yes, probably more than I have ever wanted anything in my life. If I was asked that survey question, I would say the Dems shouldn't impeach right now, because it will be a huge victory for Trump when the Senate votes with Trump. He will steal the narrative screaming from the rooftops that he was acquitted of all wrong doing, and proof that the Dems are so desperate they will try to impeach because Trump is winning so much and they hate America. The problem with this, is most swing voters and low information voters will come away thinking the Dems are just out to get Trump, and Trump must not have done anything impeachable since he was acquitted. I've heard lots of mildly anti-Trump people complaining that the Dems won't let the Russia thing go, saying Trump didn't do anything wrong. I've heard people saying the Mueller testimony was a stupid waste of time by desperate Dems who can't accept Mueller's investigation was a witch hunt that amounted to nothing.

Unfortunately, the key to victory in 2020 is winning the low info swing voter. While they may not like Trump, dragging us through an unwinnable impeachment proceeding will annoy them and make them thinks the Dems don't have anything on Trump. Until there is reason to believe a few Republican Senators will consider impeachment, starting proceedings is just handing Trump an enormous win. It's frustrating as fuck, and sickening that the GOP in Congress are such a pile of spineless fuckwits that they let waves on insanity, incompetence, ignorance and corruption occur in direct view of the world every fucking day without the balls to call it out.

Even if you're right short term, if there are no impeachment hearings, this generation of Democrats will be known as the ones who did nothing about a president committing multiple crimes; morally and historically it's reprehensible that they looked at his disgusting actions and decided to wait it out for until the next election. It is also helps build the "they're all the same" myth.

I also think there needs to be more noise about going against the judicial department's policy that a president cannot be charged with a crime while in office. Swamp lawyers can examine this better than me but the arguments supporting this policy seem pretty controversial to me. I think a big talking point for Democrats could be, "There is clear evidence that he committed a crime, but he can't be charged? What the fuck?" Elizabeth Warren could probably improve my phrasing,

The Sybian wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:56 pm Taking Brian's football analogy, I think impeachment would be like choosing to throw the ball when you know in advance there is a 99.9999% chance of a pick six, with Mister D in the stands, going full kit wanker (with helmet and team logo receiver gloves) screaming throw it deep to prove we aren't pussies!!!

... The problem with this, is most swing voters and low information voters will come away thinking the Dems are just out to get Trump, and Trump must not have done anything impeachable since he was acquitted. ...

Unfortunately, the key to victory in 2020 is winning the low info swing voter. While they may not like Trump, dragging us through an unwinnable impeachment proceeding will annoy them and make them thinks the Dems don't have anything on Trump. Until there is reason to believe a few Republican Senators will consider impeachment, starting proceedings is just handing Trump an enormous win.

Rush2112 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:12 pm Polls are typically "registered voters" but just because you've registered doesn't always mean you're able to cast your vote.

A_B wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:06 pm Jesus this guy is so tone deaf

Johnnie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:20 pm I don't know about New York, but I'm sure he was on the front lines of the Bowling Green massacre.

A_B wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:33 pm

Johnnie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:20 pm I don't know about New York, but I'm sure he was on the front lines of the Bowling Green massacre.

Look man, Rand Paul was in need.

A_B wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:05 pm (Mine was a clumsy joke about Paul getting assaulted in Bowling Green)

Johnnie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:03 pm

A_B wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:33 pm

Johnnie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:20 pm I don't know about New York, but I'm sure he was on the front lines of the Bowling Green massacre.

Look man, Rand Paul was in need.

Well when McCain said he was working for Putin, he's been a one man 9/11 ever since.

A_B wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:34 pm Goodness.

Johnnie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:45 pm "We're all tired of being called racists" featuring people that cannot understand how you can be a racist without saying the 'N' word.