Racism

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:37 pm

howard wrote:TV Land Pulls Dukes of Hazzard Reruns amid Confederate Flag Controversy

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:20 am

That's just fucking stupid and misses the point completely.

Post by **Shirley** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:47 pm

Bubba a gonna make some enemies with that decision.

Driving down to the beach last night, I came across a big pick up truck with a large confederate flag mounted in the bed. Jacksonville, nc.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:06 pm

Shirley wrote:Bubba a gonna make some enemies with that decision.

Driving down to the beach last night, I came across a big pick up truck with a large confederate flag mounted in the bed. Jacksonville, nc.

Twice this week, I have seen a pick-up truck in my town with a confederate flag mounted on the bed.

There was also a US flag and a large sign for one of the hard rock stations in town. I was hoping to be stopped at a light and able to take a photo to tweet at the radio station including their sign and the flags.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:08 pm

This has never crossed my mind because I'm not in the Army, but I never realized a large amount of Army posts are named for confederate soldiers.

They released this statement:

“Every Army installation is named for a soldier who holds a place in our military history. Accordingly, these historic names represent individuals, not causes or ideologies. It should be noted that the naming occurred in the spirit of reconciliation, not division.”

Time magazine disagrees and apparently wants to drive the point home with a sledgehammer.

Post by **brian** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 5:28 am

Honestly not going to get too worked up over it, but it's pretty fucking dumb to have Army bases named after confederate soldiers in my opinion. Hundreds of thousands were lost in a war against those fuckers. Seems like naming (or re-naming) some Air Force base bin Laden AFB.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:39 pm

DSafetyGuy wrote:
Shirley wrote:Bubba a gonna make some enemies with that decision.

Driving down to the beach last night, I came across a big pick up truck with a large confederate flag mounted in the bed. Jacksonville, nc.
Twice this week, I have seen a pick-up truck in my town with a confederate flag mounted on the bed.

There was also a US flag and a large sign for one of the hard rock stations in town. I was hoping to be stopped at a light and able to take a photo to tweet at the radio station including their sign and the flags.

Shirley just followed me on twitter, so I'm wondering if he's hoping I get a chance to take the aforementioned photo.

Post by **Shirley** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:47 am

DSafetyGuy wrote:
DSafetyGuy wrote:
Shirley wrote:Bubba a gonna make some enemies with that decision.

Driving down to the beach last night, I came across a big pick up truck with a large confederate flag mounted in the bed. Jacksonville, nc.
Twice this week, I have seen a pick-up truck in my town with a confederate flag mounted on the bed.

There was also a US flag and a large sign for one of the hard rock stations in town. I was hoping to be stopped at a light and able to take a photo to tweet at the radio station including their sign and the flags.
Shirley just followed me on twitter, so I'm wondering if he's hoping I get a chance to take the aforementioned photo.

I was actually hoping for dick pics.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:51 am

Shirley wrote:
DSafetyGuy wrote:
DSafetyGuy wrote:
Shirley wrote:Bubba a gonna make some enemies with that decision.

Driving down to the beach last night, I came across a big pick up truck with a large confederate flag mounted in the bed. Jacksonville, nc.
Twice this week, I have seen a pick-up truck in my town with a confederate flag mounted on the bed.

There was also a US flag and a large sign for one of the hard rock stations in town. I was hoping to be stopped at a light and able to take a photo to tweet at the radio station including their sign and the flags.
Shirley just followed me on twitter, so I'm wondering if he's hoping I get a chance to take the aforementioned photo.
I was actually hoping for dick pics.

Stand by...

DC47 · Post by **DC47** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:19 pm

DSafetyGuy wrote:
Shirley wrote:Bubba a gonna make some enemies with that decision.

Driving down to the beach last night, I came across a big pick up truck with a large confederate flag mounted in the bed. Jacksonville, nc.
Twice this week, I have seen a pick-up truck in my town with a confederate flag mounted on the bed.

On the fourth I saw one like this -- the American flag was on the other side -- on the road not far from the town in Michigan which was reputed to have an active Klan organization not too long ago. I might enjoy, from a safe distance, watching those boys display their convictions by rolling through Detroit too. Perhaps they were on their way there.

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:06 pm

Your fault, Amy Schumer.

Post by **Shirley** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:12 pm

Johnny Carwash wrote:Your fault, Amy Schumer.

Oh, for fuck's sake.

howard · Post by **howard** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:14 pm

Shirley wrote:
Johnny Carwash wrote:Your fault, Amy Schumer.
Oh, for fuck's sake.

…a professor in the Critical, Cultural, Gender and Race Studies department

enough said. Next.

Post by **Shirley** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:22 pm

Isn't that the same school that hired a white woman who they thought was black?

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 9:42 pm

Mediaite noted that when criticized for the op-ed, Patton responded in a tweet that "black people can't be racist."

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:36 pm

Shirley wrote:Isn't that the same school that hired a white woman who they thought was black?

That was Eastern Washington.

P.D.X. · Post by **P.D.X.** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:24 am

Rush2112 wrote:
Shirley wrote:Isn't that the same school that hired a white woman who they thought was black?
That was Eastern Washington.

The Eagles see no color.

Post by **Shirley** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:56 am

Came across this on Facebook - several states' declarations of causes for ceceding.

http://www.civilwar.org/education/histo ... auses.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And it's straight from civilwar.org, not some liberal rag.

There are five in there, and four of the five explicitly list slavery as the first reason. Only Virginia is a bit more vague, merely referring to "Oppression of the Southern Slaveholding States."

A pretty handy resource when you find yourself arguing (pro tip - don't) with someone who claims the Civil War wasn't about slavery.

Georgia's first sentence:

The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:57 am

Fucking running track ruins that field.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:40 pm

Shirley wrote:
Johnny Carwash wrote:Your fault, Amy Schumer.
Oh, for fuck's sake.

I expected a ridiculous argument, but come on. A joke implying hispanic men are rapists led to some white supremacist nut job shooting up a black church? And they don't see a difference between a comedian absurdly parodying a racial stereotype and a Presidential Candidate declaring the stereotype as true and basing his platform around it? Fuck.

howard · Post by **howard** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 3:34 pm

Corporate Capitalism Is the Foundation of Police Brutality and the Prison State
No discussion of race is possible without a discussion about our economic system.
By Chris Hedges / Truthdig
July 6, 2015

Our national conversation on race and crime is based on a fiction. It is the fiction that the organs of internal security, especially the judiciary and the police, can be adjusted, modernized or professionalized to make possible a post-racial America. We discuss issues of race while ignoring the economic, bureaucratic and political systems of exploitation—all of it legal and built into the ruling apparatus—that are the true engines of racism and white supremacy. No discussion of race is possible without a discussion of capitalism and class. And until that discussion takes place, despite all the proposed reforms to the criminal justice system, the state will continue to murder and imprison poor people of color with impunity.

More training, body cameras, community policing, the hiring of more minorities as police officers, a better probation service and more equitable fines will not blunt the indiscriminate use of lethal force or reduce the mass incarceration that destroys the lives of the poor.

This is one of several realities that make any expectation that tweaking the system will affect change just another example of feel-good magical thinking that dooms us to more of the status quo.

DC47 · Post by **DC47** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 4:17 pm

I'm generally in strong agreement. But two caveats:

- The direct financial cost of prisons may someday become better known, and a deterrent to some of the absurdly long sentences that are handed out (and legislated).

- Body cameras have considerable potential to reign in at least the least-subtle police offenses. But it won't be easy. There will be major issue over control of the resulting video. Ironically, people concerned with civil liberties and privacy (e.g., ACLU) may be a restraining force as to both cameras and release of video.

howard · Post by **howard** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 4:24 pm

That is not ironic at all. The last fucking thing I want is every cop having a camera to scan crowds or people in virtually any situation you can think of, the images being fed into a facial recognition database, and all kinds of hijinks ensuing. Another step in the complete surveillance society.

For the near term at least, the potential for benefit will be very simply circumvented. The cops will turn it off/cover the lens when they are gonna break the law or act like an asshole.

Body cameras sound great until you think about it for more than two minutes.

DC47 · Post by **DC47** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:07 pm

You're probably right, but I've been on the body camera thing for several years and thought it would be a useful deterrent.

How about this -- since The Man will already have cameras on the scene (stationary like London, drones, hidden in FBI 'food trucks'), the body cameras will give them no incremental information.

We pass a constitutional amendment requiring that the video feeds are run through a server that Glen Greenwald operates from an undisclosed icy lair in Greenland, and we're all set. As a back-up, the feed also is sent to some randomly selected (every 10 minutes) teen in New Jersey, who can be counted on to share it in inappropriate ways instead of doing his homework or something to help out around the house, godddamit.

Technology can pretty much solve all of society's problems. I think I'm getting it now.

howard · Post by **howard** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:43 pm

DC47 wrote:How about this -- since The Man will already have cameras on the scene (stationary like London, drones, hidden in FBI 'food trucks'), the body cameras will give them no incremental information.

In the heavily policed ghettos, cops wearing cameras will happen before ubiquitous video coverage like in London, I am guessing. Cheaper, it will take a few more years for the build out of a London-type system.

We pass a constitutional amendment requiring that the video feeds are run through a server that Glen Greenwald operates from an undisclosed icy lair in Greenland, and we're all set. As a back-up, the feed also is sent to some randomly selected (every 10 minutes) teen in New Jersey, who can be counted on to share it in inappropriate ways instead of doing his homework or something to help out around the house, godddamit.

Technology can pretty much solve all of society's problems. I think I'm getting it now.

Clearly you have it figured out, closed all the loopholes and accounted for all the unknown unknowns. Nice work. (I'm too tired to attempt a set-piece joke.)

DC47 · Post by **DC47** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:13 pm

howard wrote:
DC47 wrote:How about this -- since The Man will already have cameras on the scene (stationary like London, drones, hidden in FBI 'food trucks'), the body cameras will give them no incremental information.
In the heavily policed ghettos, cops wearing cameras will happen before ubiquitous video coverage like in London, I am guessing. Cheaper, it will take a few more years for the build out of a London-type system.

Why not a robotic police officer, with a kick-ass motorcycle so he can get all around the ghetto to fight criminals and what we'll call 'pre-criminals?' Perhaps try it out in Detroit first, so we can work out the kinks where there are no innocent civilians?

Sometimes things like this just come to me when I'm mixing prescription multiple pain-killers and craft beer. Got to move right now to copyright this concept.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:46 am

The flag is coming down in Charleston.

Racism is dead!

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:51 am

Johnnie wrote:The flag is coming down in Charleston.

Racism is dead!

And they've put it back up in Ocala. Fucking Florida. Don't worry, they're only putting it back up because it is one of the five flags that has flown over the state.

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 8:50 am

So the legislature of the reddest state in the Union voted 94-20 to take down the flag, but like 50% of Facebook thinks it was the wrong decision.

howard · Post by **howard** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 9:32 am

I toldt y'all democracy is a bad idea. Tyranny of the majority.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:14 pm

I can't find the video but just heard the clip on the radio. On PTI last night, Whitlock said that Serena has beaten Sharapova 17 straight times because let's face it...Sharapova is white. The black person will always have that extra incentive to beat the white person because of...you know. He then said that Ray Lewis used to talk about this and it's the reason that the black Ravens did so well against Tom Brady and the white Patriots.

howard · Post by **howard** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:21 pm

It is refreshing to hear a black person (besides me) admit that black people are racist too. Although it is really fucking stupid (I know, a given) for him to speak for Serena and her motivations. This reveals Jason's racism (and perhaps Ray Lewis' if Whitlock's attribution is accurate), not Serena's.

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:39 am

"I got a right to have whatever I want and that’s it."

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:13 am

Now, this is funny:

“I mean, I thought that Lowe’s would take up for me,” (the driver) said.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:43 am

Jerloma wrote:I can't find the video but just heard the clip on the radio. On PTI last night, Whitlock said that Serena has beaten Sharapova 17 straight times because let's face it...Sharapova is white. The black person will always have that extra incentive to beat the white person because of...you know. He then said that Ray Lewis used to talk about this and it's the reason that the black Ravens did so well against Tom Brady and the white Patriots.

Really? Why does he have to make it a black and white issue? Why doesn't Sloane Stephens or Madison Keys beat people? Serena's beaten everyone this year, she's 40-1 (only lost on clay in Madrid to Petkovic). Women's tennis is in super decline. Sharapova is probably the best of a mediocre group of mindless ball-bashers. It's amazing to me how she beat anyone double faulting 10 times per match. Serena doesn't put up with that shit and beats her easily everytime.

Post by **Shirley** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:02 am

howard wrote:Now, this is funny:
“I mean, I thought that Lowe’s would take up for me,” (the driver) said.

In Lowe's' defense, that article left out this part I have seen in other articles:

Lowe's corporate office told the news station that the manager who honored the customer's racist request has been fired because he should have never taken Bradley off the delivery.

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:09 am

... because he should have never taken Bradley off the delivery and because the incident hit the national media. Did I say that last part aloud?

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:16 am

Yeah, figured the manager would be scapegoated, though it's entirely possible he only complied with the request out of fear of being yelled at from above.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:24 am

yeah I probably would have called him back too if I was the manager. Sucks.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:30 am

I disagree with you guys. I'd bet Lowes has a formal policy, and the manager broke the rule, so he got fired. That's the way it is at my company. And, I doubt Lowes is different. (But, that's not as good a story.)