Canadian Politics Thread

[Pruitt]

I was about to post that there's still a ways to go, but in an election where the major issue is why is there an election, bet the farm that Trudeau is not getting his majority.

[Pruitt]

The Liberals' diminished leader

A good primer for non-Canadians.

[Pruitt]

All you need to know about this, the most pointless election in Canadian history (the numbers represent seats in the House of Commons):

[tennbengal]

So...the blaring headline I saw about Trudeau winning but his party losing seats was...technically accurate?

(what a shit headline)

[degenerasian]

Trudeau didn't get a majority, and he actually never publicly stated that as the goal. But he may have actually won himself 4 years. He showed all opposition where things stand. If they oppose too hard and force another election, this is where we'll be again. So if anything he's maybe avoided any coalitions overplaying their hands.

[Pruitt]

Trudeau didn't get a majority, and he actually never publicly stated that as the goal. But he may have actually won himself 4 years. He showed all opposition where things stand. If they oppose too hard and force another election, this is where we'll be again. So if anything he's maybe avoided any coalitions overplaying their hands.

If the Conservatives can find an appealing and competent leader, Trudeau's toast.

A very, very big "if" however.

[degenerasian]

Trudeau didn't get a majority, and he actually never publicly stated that as the goal. But he may have actually won himself 4 years. He showed all opposition where things stand. If they oppose too hard and force another election, this is where we'll be again. So if anything he's maybe avoided any coalitions overplaying their hands.

If the Conservatives can find an appealing and competent leader, Trudeau's toast.

A very, very big "if" however.

They are not getting rid of O'Toole. That would be like firing coaches every season.

[Pruitt]

Trudeau didn't get a majority, and he actually never publicly stated that as the goal. But he may have actually won himself 4 years. He showed all opposition where things stand. If they oppose too hard and force another election, this is where we'll be again. So if anything he's maybe avoided any coalitions overplaying their hands.

If the Conservatives can find an appealing and competent leader, Trudeau's toast.

A very, very big "if" however.

They are not getting rid of O'Toole. That would be like firing coaches every season.

I'd say it's 50/50 that he's leader 12 months from now.

[degenerasian]

So after 10 years of Nenshi being mayor of Calgary, first Midlim mayor of a major city, today both Calgary and Edmonton elect mayor of East Indian dissent. First woman major in Calgary too.

[pruitt2]

"Stop The Steal!" Manitoba Version

[sancarlos]

"Stop The Steal!" Manitoba Version

The really funny part is that the people she is accusing of chicanery are in her own party.

[pruitt2]

The opposition Conservatives named their "Shadow Cabinet" which oddly is larger than the cabinet itself.

54 Members

Includes shadow minsters for "Middle Class Prosperity" as well as "Shadow Minister for Rural Economic Development & Rural Broadband Strategy"

[degenerasian]

our great premier!

[pruitt2]

Truckers Protest Rolls Towards Ottawa

Bunch A Fucking Yahoos

[degenerasian]

O'Toole has been ousted as Conservative leader by his own caucus.
The right-wing nuts win again. I expect Trudeau to be Prime Minster for life.

[pruitt2]

O'Toole has been ousted as Conservative leader by his own caucus.
The right-wing nuts win again. I expect Trudeau to be Prime Minster for life.

So, so many people can't stand Trudeau and his government and would stand in line for hours to vote just to make sure the right wing yahoos don't get into office.

[degenerasian]

O'Toole has been ousted as Conservative leader by his own caucus.
The right-wing nuts win again. I expect Trudeau to be Prime Minster for life.

So, so many people can't stand Trudeau and his government and would stand in line for hours to vote just to make sure the right wing yahoos don't get into office.

Sure but there's actually no room for conservatism anymore. People don't care about debt, they just want cheaper and free stuff.
For example, Trudeau comes out with a bill for $10/day childcare if you're making less than 120K.

If you're conservative are you supposed to say no? "NO! $10/day childcare is an abuse of funds, we can't afford that." Who's going to vote for that instead of $10/day childcare?

I thought O'Toole was doing the best he could but he has to go left and he got voted out by the Canadian Tea Party basically.

[Steve of phpBB]

Sure but there's actually no room for conservatism anymore. People don't care about debt, they just want cheaper and free stuff.

This has been the basic complaint of conservatives for decades - and it has never turned out to be true.

Low-cost day care for people making less than $120K sounds like a great idea. It would massively expand the economic opportunities available to people who aren't rich.

[degenerasian]

Sure but there's actually no room for conservatism anymore. People don't care about debt, they just want cheaper and free stuff.

This has been the basic complaint of conservatives for decades - and it has never turned out to be true.

Low-cost day care for people making less than $120K sounds like a great idea. It would massively expand the economic opportunities available to people who aren't rich.

Except the cost of daycare isn't going down. The government is covering the difference, around 75%. You know, instead of you pay $40 a day, you pay 10 and the government pays 30. And it lumps together the low and middle class and its services which sucks for the lower class. But can a conservative even argue this?

[Steve of phpBB]

Sure but there's actually no room for conservatism anymore. People don't care about debt, they just want cheaper and free stuff.

This has been the basic complaint of conservatives for decades - and it has never turned out to be true.

Low-cost day care for people making less than $120K sounds like a great idea. It would massively expand the economic opportunities available to people who aren't rich.

Except the cost of daycare isn't going down. The government is covering the difference, around 75%. You know, instead of you pay $40 a day, you pay 10 and the government pays 30. And it lumps together the low and middle class and it's services which sucks for the lower class. But can a conservative even argue this?

The cost of daycare is going down for the people who get subsidized. And the middle class needs subsidized child care also. If it costs $40 per day for childcare, that means $20,000 per year for a family with two kids. (And if the costs aren't tax deductible, the family would need to make $25K to $30K to net the $20K for daycare.) Cutting that by 75% will provide a whole lot of benefits to a whole lot of people.

Including people up to $120K per year means that the program will have wider support and use, and thus there will be more people insisting on good quality programs. If it's just something "for the poor," it will have less political support and the services will be really crappy.

Conservatives can't argue against that because it's a great idea.

[degenerasian]

Sure but there's actually no room for conservatism anymore. People don't care about debt, they just want cheaper and free stuff.

This has been the basic complaint of conservatives for decades - and it has never turned out to be true.

Low-cost day care for people making less than $120K sounds like a great idea. It would massively expand the economic opportunities available to people who aren't rich.

Except the cost of daycare isn't going down. The government is covering the difference, around 75%. You know, instead of you pay $40 a day, you pay 10 and the government pays 30. And it lumps together the low and middle class and it's services which sucks for the lower class. But can a conservative even argue this?

The cost of daycare is going down for the people who get subsidized. And the middle class needs subsidized child care also. If it costs $40 per day for childcare, that means $20,000 per year for a family with two kids. (And if the costs aren't tax deductible, the family would need to make $25K to $30K to net the $20K for daycare.) Cutting that by 75% will provide a whole lot of benefits to a whole lot of people.

Including people up to $120K per year means that the program will have wider support and use, and thus there will be more people insisting on good quality programs. If it's just something "for the poor," it will have less political support and the services will be really crappy.

Conservatives can't argue against that because it's a great idea.

Conservatives would argue the social side. Stay at home moms are better, this will incentive throwing kids into daycare instead of raising them yourselves. Why not subsidize parents instead of kids? And budget hawks who will argue the government will have to raise taxes or go into more debt.

But these arguments won't win 21st century elections.

And BTW, I'm having twins so this will be awesome for me.

[pruitt2]

The mouth breathing hate mongers should go work with that asshole Bernier and leave the traditional centrist brand of Canadian conservatism alone. That's the brand that didn't look to the bible for inspiration. That didn't reopen debates about the abolished death penalty or legalized abortion when in power. The ones who let boards of education educate...

One of the reasons why politicians like Harper, Bill Davis, Peter Lougheed, Mulroney and others won elections is that they avoided extremism. This new batch of conservative is taking its inspiration from American "conservatives". Even Doug Ford has come to realize that.

Pollievre and others probably admire fecal matter like DeSantis more than traditional (and successful) Canadian conservatives.

As you said earlier, they are definitely on track to ensuring another decade of liberal governance.

[degenerasian]

The mouth breathing hate mongers should go work with that asshole Bernier and leave the traditional centrist brand of Canadian conservatism alone. That's the brand that didn't look to the bible for inspiration. That didn't reopen debates about the abolished death penalty or legalized abortion when in power. The ones who let boards of education educate...

One of the reasons why politicians like Harper, Bill Davis, Peter Lougheed, Mulroney and others won elections is that they avoided extremism. This new batch of conservative is taking its inspiration from American "conservatives". Even Doug Ford has come to realize that.

Pollievre and others probably admire fecal matter like DeSantis more than traditional (and successful) Canadian conservatives.

As you said earlier, they are definitely on track to ensuring another decade of liberal governance.

The problem is that it's the mouth breathing hate mongers that are funding the party and buying the memberships. The moderates have either gone over to the Liberals or are just apathetic.

[pruitt2]

Absolutely right.

[pruitt2]

Quick primer on the state of Canada's conservative party

I suspect the party will now spend a few years indulging its inner Ted Cruz, which means a mix of conviction, mercenary play-acting, and skittish tactical feints to protect the party’s right flank against even further-right opponents, led by the (luckily terrible-at-politics) Max Bernier.

[degenerasian]

Quick primer on the state of Canada's conservative party

I suspect the party will now spend a few years indulging its inner Ted Cruz, which means a mix of conviction, mercenary play-acting, and skittish tactical feints to protect the party’s right flank against even further-right opponents, led by the (luckily terrible-at-politics) Max Bernier.

Maybe they should run Bernier. It's the Trump strategy. Using the American example, if running decent guys like McCain and Romney (Scheer and O'Toole) and they get branded right wingnuts, then might as well run a right wingnut.

[rass]

WTF degen

[pruitt2]

Thank God there is no way that will work in Canada.

Liberal party may have won with less votes than before, but left and centre-left parties got over 60% of the vote. And bear in mind, the Conservative party wasn't running too far right this time.

[degenerasian]

WTF degen

Pruitt, we don't know that no way it will work in Canada, but you are probably right. But it's the conservative party in Canada, they can't pretend to be what they're not. They've lost 3 elections to Trudeau trying to be the middle while all their funding comes from the right. So a funder watches a leader promise one thing then go 180 in the campaign. And even after defeat O'Toole continues to go to the middle, thus an internal coup.

It'll only change if they run from the right and win or totally get blown out of the water. But they feel like it's time that they try. They just made a Trumper interim leader.

[degenerasian]

Conservatives: Canadian voters returned a minority government! The parties need to figure out a way to work together!

Liberals and NDP figure out a way to work together.

Conservatives: No, not like that!

[pruitt2]

Conservatives: Canadian voters returned a minority government! The parties need to figure out a way to work together!

Liberals and NDP figure out a way to work together.

Conservatives: No, not like that!

And that, my American friends, is as succinct an explanation of what's going on in Ottawa as you will ever read!

[A_B]

Conservatives: Canadian voters returned a minority government! The parties need to figure out a way to work together!

Liberals and NDP figure out a way to work together.

Conservatives: No, not like that!

And that, my American friends, is as succinct an explanation of what's going on in Ottawa as you will ever read!

Sounds like a rough ride. Or a roughride? Who knows.

[Steve of phpBB]

Conservatives: Canadian voters returned a minority government! The parties need to figure out a way to work together!

Liberals and NDP figure out a way to work together.

Conservatives: No, not like that!

And that, my American friends, is as succinct an explanation of what's going on in Ottawa as you will ever read!

Sounds like a rough ride. Or a roughride? Who knows.

Or both!

[pruitt2]

Conservatives: Canadian voters returned a minority government! The parties need to figure out a way to work together!

Liberals and NDP figure out a way to work together.

Conservatives: No, not like that!

And that, my American friends, is as succinct an explanation of what's going on in Ottawa as you will ever read!

Sounds like a rough ride. Or a roughride? Who knows.

Only one Roughriders now.

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[pruitt2]

Provincial election day in Ontario.

Massive Blowout Looms

Politically, Covid was the best thing that could have happened to our Premier Doug "Rob's Brother" Ford. Early on he put aside his feud with Trudeau and the Federal Government to work in lockstep with them in terms of lockdowns, shutdowns etc.Threw sitting MPPS out of the caucus for Fox News-ing it up.

Also helps that he's running against weak competition with nothing new to offer.

No way in hell I'm voting for his party, but the sky is not going to fall tomorrow.

[Pruitt3]

Ontario mayor faces lone challenger – the brother he doesn’t speak to

[Pruitt IV]

This could be the tip of an iceberg...

(An M.P.P. is like a State Senator - Th Conservatives in Ontario have a majority government)


Ontario MPP resigns from PC caucus, denies alleged link to foreign election interference

Global News alleged Ke "served as a financial intermediary" in interference schemes by the Chinese Communist Party that were described in two Privy Council Office intelligence reports, which the media outlet had reviewed.

Sounds like he was on the Chinese Government payroll.

[degenerasian]

The guy in the Ford government has to resign but Trudeau keeps covering for his guy in the national parliament,

[degenerasian]

Alberta Election Day today and the race is expected to be very close.

For Pruitt: I find it interesting that the national media is bringing out their top people and their teams to Alberta to cover the election and it's results.

Usually they will stay in Ontario, cover another provinces from afar and than have some local video/analyst or local reporter coverage.

Usually we don't have the top people come out here for a few days and their associated team to be on location.

I understand the importance of AB politics to the national conversation but I think because of how close this election may end up being, they want to be here to cover it locally with their best people.

[Pruitt IV]

It's a fascinating race, and also - Summer doldrums in Ottawa.