The Swamp

Pruitt wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:14 pm So the Washington Post commentator said that it's up to trump as to whether there will be a week's delay.

Johnnie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:16 pm I feel like this is all bullshit additional dramatic theater and the Dems lost again.

Johnnie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:16 pm I feel like this is all bullshit additional dramatic theater and the Dems lost again.

Johnnie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:16 pm I feel like this is all bullshit additional dramatic theater and the Dems lost again.

mister d wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:13 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:08 pmAnd I really don't think Manchin is going to fall on this sword. This is way too toxic. His turnout would be terrible.

Is there even a such thing as a staunchly pro-Kavanaugh swing voter?

A_B wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:49 pm Trump says he will defer to Senate. Is he discarding Kavanaugh?

mister d wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:03 pm I'm torn. On one hand, the FBI obviously can't prove what happened in a bedroom 35 years ago so that'll hit a wall. On the other, Kavanaugh can only look worse every day that passes. Given that I expected him to be 5 beers deep celebrating his confirmation today, I guess things are going better than worst case.

mister d wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:19 pm Judge agreeing to cooperate seems positive as well.

Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:29 pm

Johnnie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:16 pm I feel like this is all bullshit additional dramatic theater and the Dems lost again.

I agree. The bottom line is that this vote advanced Kavanaugh one significant step closer to confirmation. And I think that it’s unlikely that an FBI investigation reaches a definitive conclusion unless Mark Judge or another of his friends comes clean. So even if an FBI investigation occurs, the most likely result is that its inconclusive results give the fence sitters cover to vote for confirmation.

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:32 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:19 pm Judge agreeing to cooperate seems positive as well.

He is not going to be able to confirm any Ford's allegations. But he can nail down some of the timing.

But he basically is useless as the third person in the room. He was too drunk to remember is pretty easy. He can also clarify how much Kavanaugh was drinking back then. But are we really gonna not confirm a guy because he lied about underage drinking? You could make a perjury case, but shit, we've seen people lying like dogs the last 2 years (Sessions, most notably)

I'll say it again, what really matters in terms of possibly getting rid of Kavanaugh is what is the SCOPE of the FBI investigation. Because the Ramirez and Swetnick allegations are pretty bad for Kavanaugh. Though, again, I think there are a lot of problems with Swetnick.

degenerasian wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:41 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:32 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:19 pm Judge agreeing to cooperate seems positive as well.

He is not going to be able to confirm any Ford's allegations. But he can nail down some of the timing.

But he basically is useless as the third person in the room. He was too drunk to remember is pretty easy. He can also clarify how much Kavanaugh was drinking back then. But are we really gonna not confirm a guy because he lied about underage drinking? You could make a perjury case, but shit, we've seen people lying like dogs the last 2 years (Sessions, most notably)

I'll say it again, what really matters in terms of possibly getting rid of Kavanaugh is what is the SCOPE of the FBI investigation. Because the Ramirez and Swetnick allegations are pretty bad for Kavanaugh. Though, again, I think there are a lot of problems with Swetnick.

I thought the Ford allegation seemed the most credible. Not sure if the Ramirez or Swetnick stories have collaborators like Judge.

The Sybian wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:47 pm Yesterday was especially interesting, as I am conducting an investigation into a workplace sexual harassment allegation. The accused is a female manager, and there are so far 4 people she allegedly harassed. I interviewed 3 male employees yesterday, one of whom alleged harassment, the other two are managers who had subordinates tell them about how they were harassed.

It's fascinating hearing men saying how scared they are to come forward, because of the perception of being a pussy for not being able to handle sexual harassment from a female manager. All three said something to the effect of, "If this was a man doing this to a woman, it would clearly be cause for a complaint..." Two of the three mentioned they were watching the Kavanaugh hearings before speaking with me, and they both said they have a new appreciation for how difficult it must be for a woman to come out with sexual assault allegations, because this complaint is nothing in comparison to what Kavanaugh is accused of, and difficult to come forward.

Side note: One of the managers was telling me that while he has never personally seen the accused harass someone, he has seen her "exhibit strange behavior." As an example, he goes into a story about how during his second week with the company, he went to the foreign HQ of their company with the accused and the CEO. He meets the Accused and CEO at a bar. When he gets there, he says hi to them, and the Accused turns around and full out punches him in the nose. The way the guy told the story was fucking hilarious, and just shocking, and I'm pretty sure I didn't quite stifle my laugh. He said he confronted her about it a few weeks later, and he believes she legitimately does not remember doing this. That is a running theme, she forces subordinates to go for drinks, gets wasted, and makes passes at them, and doesn't seem to remember.

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:57 pm
She also seems slightly confused about the definition of "hitting on someone."

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:46 pm This is why Bart is fucked. The internet over the next week.

He'll bleed.