The Swamp

Joe K wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:53 am

Rex wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:48 pm

brian wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:42 pm The real panicking is still a week or so away I think.

I think Monday.

We were warned.

Rex wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:57 pm One interesting thing about this epidemic is how the most at-risk group right now is probably rich, powerful old people who travel a lot or are surrounded by people who do. Good thing there are none of those running for President.

HaulCitgo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:37 pm One kid (mine) at the group conditioning session today. Recession on.

Rex wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:03 pm

HaulCitgo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:37 pm One kid (mine) at the group conditioning session today. Recession on.

Beltline still crowded as hell, so hang on a minute

“WaPo” wrote:...Bakker asked a guest on his TV show whether the silver tonic he sells on his website just might cure this new illness as well.
“It hasn’t been tested on this strain of the coronavirus, but it’s been tested on other strains of the coronavirus, and has been able to eliminate it within 12 hours. Totally eliminates it, kills it, deactivates it and then it boosts your immune system,” said guest Sherrill Sellman, as Bakker interjected, “yeah, yeah.”

Other panelists on the TV set murmured their approval as well. One exclaimed: “That’s so good!”

As they talked, an advertisement was plastered across the screen: Those seeking a cure for coronavirus or another illness could get four tubes of Silver Solution gel for $80 at JimBakkerShow.com. Or, for $125, they could buy a variety pack of two bottles of Silver Solution liquid, two tubes of gel and three lozenges.

EdRomero wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:15 pm Pear Jam cancels their tour...

When a cluster of several infected people occurred in China, it was most often (78-85%) caused by an infection within the family by droplets and other carriers of infection in close contact with an infected person. Transmission by fine aerosols in the air over long distances is not one of the main causes of spread. Most of the 2,055 infected hospital workers were either infected at home or in the early phase of the outbreak in Wuhan when hospital safeguards were not raised yet.

5% of people who are diagnosed with Covid require artificial respiration. Another 15% need to breathe in highly concentrated oxygen - and not just for a few days. The duration from the beginning of the disease until recovery is 3 to 6 weeks on average for these severe and critical patients (compared to only 2 weeks for the mildly ill). The mass and duration of the treatments overburdened the existing health care system in Wuhan many times over. The province of Hubei, whose capital is Wuhan, had 65,596 infected persons so far. A total of 40,000 employees were sent to Hubei from other provinces to help fight the epidemic. 45 hospitals in Wuhan are caring for Covid patients, 6 of which are for patients in critical condition and 39 are caring for seriously ill patients and for infected people over the age of 65. Two makeshift hospitals with 2,600 beds were built within a short time. 80% of the infected have mild disease, ten temporary hospitals were set up in gymnasiums and exhibition halls for those.

China can now produce 1.6 million test kits for the novel coronavirus per week. The test delivers a result on the same day. Across the country, anyone who goes to the doctor with a fever is screened for the virus: In Guangdong province, far from Wuhan, 320,000 people have been tested, and 0.14% of those were positive for the virus.

The vast majority of those infected sooner or later develop symptoms. Cases of people in whom the virus has been detected and who do not have symptoms at that time are rare - and most of them fall ill in the next few days.

The most common symptoms are fever (88%) and dry cough (68%). Exhaustion (38%), expectoration of mucus when coughing (33%), shortness of breath (18%), sore throat (14%), headaches (14%), muscle aches (14%), chills (11%) are also common. Less frequent are nausea and vomiting (5%), stuffy nose (5%) and diarrhoea (4%). Running nose is not a symptom of Covid.

An examination of 44,672 infected people in China showed a fatality rate of 3.4%. Fatality is strongly influenced by age, pre-existing conditions, gender, and especially the response of the health care system. All fatality figures reflect the state of affairs in China up to 17 February, and everything could be quite different in the future elsewhere.

Healthcare system: 20% of infected people in China needed hospital treatment for weeks. China has hospital beds to treat 0.4% of the population at the same time - other developed countries have between 0.1% and 1.3% and most of these beds are already occupied with people who have other diseases. The fatality rate was 5.8% in Wuhan but 0.7% in other areas of China, which China explained with the lack of critical care beds in Wuhan. In order to keep the fatality rate low like outside of Wuhan, other countries have to aggressively contain the spread of the virus in order to keep the number of seriously ill Covid patients low and secondly increase the number of critical care beds until there is enough for the seriously ill. China also tested various treatment methods for the unknown disease and the most successful ones were implemented nationwide. Thanks to this response, the fatality rate in China is now lower than a month ago.

Pre-existing conditions: The fatality rate for those infected with pre-existing cardiovascular disease in China was 13.2%. It was 9.2% for those infected with high blood sugar levels (uncontrolled diabetes), 8.4% for high blood pressure, 8% for chronic respiratory diseases and 7.6% for cancer. Infected persons without a relevant previous illness died in 1.4% of cases.

Gender: Women catch the disease just as often as men. But only 2.8% of Chinese women who were infected died from the disease, while 4.7% of the infected men died. The disease appears to be not more severe in pregnant women than in others. In 9 examined births of infected women, the children were born by caesarean section and healthy without being infected themselves. The women were infected in the last trimester of pregnancy. What effect an infection in the first or second trimester has on embryos is currently unclear as these children are still unborn.

degenerasian wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:22 am NHL and NBA should just have a knockout tournament and get it done.

First to win 4 games wins the championship.

brian wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:48 am When you factor in the incompetence of the Trump administration and American hubris, it could spread even faster here. I'd still be shorting the stock indices. I think we're looking at the Dow ending up under 20K when it's all said and done.

brian wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:48 am When you factor in the incompetence of the Trump administration and American hubris, it could spread even faster here. I'd still be shorting the stock indices. I think we're looking at the Dow ending up under 20K when it's all said and done.

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:52 am

brian wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:48 am When you factor in the incompetence of the Trump administration and American hubris, it could spread even faster here. I'd still be shorting the stock indices. I think we're looking at the Dow ending up under 20K when it's all said and done.

For most of us on the board, this is pretty good timing... Allow the mutual funds to buy a bunch of cheaper stocks.

If you are in your early 60s you are bailing like the crew of the Titanic right now.

The Sybian wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:51 am

brian wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:48 am When you factor in the incompetence of the Trump administration and American hubris, it could spread even faster here. I'd still be shorting the stock indices. I think we're looking at the Dow ending up under 20K when it's all said and done.

OTOH, with the lack of testing, under-funding of the CDC and general incompetence, the official number of cases will be way below the actual numbers. My suspicion is the admin is going to try to downplay the numbers to make Trump's response look ... not as bad, and keep the stock market from falling further. Like Brian said on FB, Trump cares a lot more about the DOW than he does about preventing people from getting sick and dying, so smaller reported cases is more of a goal than containing the spread.

tennbengal wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:00 am

The Sybian wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:51 am

brian wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:48 am When you factor in the incompetence of the Trump administration and American hubris, it could spread even faster here. I'd still be shorting the stock indices. I think we're looking at the Dow ending up under 20K when it's all said and done.

OTOH, with the lack of testing, under-funding of the CDC and general incompetence, the official number of cases will be way below the actual numbers. My suspicion is the admin is going to try to downplay the numbers to make Trump's response look ... not as bad, and keep the stock market from falling further. Like Brian said on FB, Trump cares a lot more about the DOW than he does about preventing people from getting sick and dying, so smaller reported cases is more of a goal than containing the spread.

If those goes like Italy, the hospitals will put an end to that lie - given that they will have to be converted to almost entirely caring for COVID-19 patients.