A_B wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:31 am
Florida Latinos are terrified of socialist type policies.
So are Venezuelans and even a lot of Central Americans and Mexicans. The Latino vote isn't monolithic. Nor is the Black vote frankly. In fact, if there's one good thing about this result if it ends up to be a Biden victory is that I think the Dems will finally have learned that lesson.
Florida Cubanos are a different breed. They are militantly convinced that Biden is a socialist traitor who should be imprisoned, not just "we prefer the GOP candidate" types.
Do we know how the Cubanos voted in 2016? Hillary did much better than Biden in Miami-Dade County, right? Any idea if the difference was among Cubanos vs other groups?
A_B wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:31 am
Florida Latinos are terrified of socialist type policies.
So are Venezuelans and even a lot of Central Americans and Mexicans. The Latino vote isn't monolithic. Nor is the Black vote frankly. In fact, if there's one good thing about this result if it ends up to be a Biden victory is that I think the Dems will finally have learned that lesson.
Was this supposed to be in orange font?
No, there was going to be a changing of the guard after this election. That's what happens when your presidential candidate is 77 and the Speaker of the House is 80. The next generation of Dems who will lead the party (Kamala Harris, AOC, even a more centrist type like Cory Booker) are a lot more realistic about the state of the electorate I think.
OK, this makes a little more sense, but it isn't Dems learning a lesson, it's old ass Dems dying off.
Potato, potatoe. But seriously all I'm seeing right now is a lot of soul-searching and that's after what appears to be a historic victory (i.e. incumbents do not lose very often). Whether that gets followed through on is another story of course, but I don't think anyone in a position of power in the Democratic Party has to feel much like celebrating this week, which ultimately is hopefully a good thing.
A_B wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:31 am
Florida Latinos are terrified of socialist type policies.
So are Venezuelans and even a lot of Central Americans and Mexicans. The Latino vote isn't monolithic. Nor is the Black vote frankly. In fact, if there's one good thing about this result if it ends up to be a Biden victory is that I think the Dems will finally have learned that lesson.
Florida Cubanos are a different breed. They are militantly convinced that Biden is a socialist traitor who should be imprisoned, not just "we prefer the GOP candidate" types.
If anyone wants to walk down a fun memory lane, check out the HBO documentary on the 2000 FL elections.
The batshit craziness of the FL Cubano community is a lead character.
A_B wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:31 am
Florida Latinos are terrified of socialist type policies.
So are Venezuelans and even a lot of Central Americans and Mexicans. The Latino vote isn't monolithic. Nor is the Black vote frankly. In fact, if there's one good thing about this result if it ends up to be a Biden victory is that I think the Dems will finally have learned that lesson.
Florida Cubanos are a different breed. They are militantly convinced that Biden is a socialist traitor who should be imprisoned, not just "we prefer the GOP candidate" types.
If anyone wants to walk down a fun memory lane, check out the HBO documentary on the 2000 FL elections.
The batshit craziness of the FL Cubano community is a lead character.
Vietnamese in Orange County, California are the same. We nickname them 'The old rusty M16s"
Re: Election Day 2020
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:26 am
by Johnnie
Echo the LOLs for Democrats learning from this.
25 year old Madison Cawthorn beat a retired colonel. He's wheelchair bound and a breath of fresh air for outreach to young Republicans everywhere. He will immediately become a shining star in the party.
Now look at Democrats with AOC. Democrats prefer John Kasich over a young, intelligent Latina from the Bronx who doesn't take shit from anyone.
Re: Election Day 2020
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:29 am
by A_B
Johnnie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:26 am
Echo the LOLs for Democrats learning from this.
25 year old Madison Cawthorn beat a retired colonel. He's wheelchair bound and a breath of fresh air for outreach to young Republicans everywhere. He will immediately become a shining star in the party.
Now look at Democrats with AOC. Democrats prefer John Kasich over a young, intelligent Latina from the Bronx who doesn't take shit from anyone.
He's very high on my list of congressional members who are gonna fuck up in a very public way at some point.
Re: Election Day 2020
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:40 am
by degenerasian
Matt McDermott @mattmfm
Wisconsin Elections Commission Administrator says on @NBCNews: “All of the ballots have been counted.” Joe Biden has won Wisconsin by 20,697 votes.
Re: Election Day 2020
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:43 am
by Joe K
degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:07 am
Are you guys afraid that the fact the Dems don't have the senate is a dream scenario for them? Perfect excuse for a "back to status quo" administration who arent actually interested in pursuing the interests of the progressive wing of the party.
If McConnell has 52-53 Senators, as appears likely, I think any significant legislation on health care, the environment, immigration or court reform is DOA until 2023 — regardless of whether the Dems had any intent to follow through on the those parts of their campaign platform.
My bigger concern is that McConnell outmaneuvers Biden on economic relief and gets Biden to agree to crippling longterm austerity measures in exchange for short term stimulus. After all, the deficit only seems to matter when Dems are in the White House.
degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:07 am
Are you guys afraid that the fact the Dems don't have the senate is a dream scenario for them? Perfect excuse for a "back to status quo" administration who arent actually interested in pursuing the interests of the progressive wing of the party.
If McConnell has 52-53 Senators, as appears likely, I think any significant legislation on health care, the environment, immigration or court reform is DOA until 2023 — regardless of whether the Dems had any intent to follow through on the those parts of their campaign platform.
My bigger concern is that McConnell outmaneuvers Biden on economic relief and gets Biden to agree to crippling longterm austerity measures in exchange for short term stimulus. After all, the deficit only seems to matter when Dems are in the White House.
I'm super excited for Mitch to refuse to seat any Biden Cabinet officials...because you know dipshits like Ted Cruz are already salivating over the prospects.
degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:07 am
Are you guys afraid that the fact the Dems don't have the senate is a dream scenario for them? Perfect excuse for a "back to status quo" administration who arent actually interested in pursuing the interests of the progressive wing of the party.
If McConnell has 52-53 Senators, as appears likely, I think any significant legislation on health care, the environment, immigration or court reform is DOA until 2023 — regardless of whether the Dems had any intent to follow through on the those parts of their campaign platform.
My bigger concern is that McConnell outmaneuvers Biden on economic relief and gets Biden to agree to crippling longterm austerity measures in exchange for short term stimulus. After all, the deficit only seems to matter when Dems are in the White House.
I'm super excited for Mitch to refuse to seat any Biden Cabinet officials...because you know dipshits like Ted Cruz are already salivating over the prospects.
Yup. Just said to one of my co-workers that the logical next step for Mitch’s escalation is to hold Cabinet seats hostage. He could potentially draw the line at “no one left of John Kasich gets confirmed.”
Re: Election Day 2020
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:59 am
by BSF21
degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:07 am
Are you guys afraid that the fact the Dems don't have the senate is a dream scenario for them? Perfect excuse for a "back to status quo" administration who arent actually interested in pursuing the interests of the progressive wing of the party.
That's a win right now as much as some are unwilling to admit it.
True Progressive-ism > Status Quo Centrist Democrats > Facism.
Re: Election Day 2020
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:01 pm
by Pruitt
It will surprise none of you to learn that Twitter has pulled a few of Trump's accusatory tweets.
Re: Election Day 2020
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:02 pm
by Johnnie
Then all of the cabinet positions will be "acting" like nearly all of them are right now.
And the first mention of Cocaine Mitch complaining should be Biden saying "Get fucked, you hypocrite."
Orange County, he ran as a Republican, and has name recognition. Option B is the far more surprising one.
Re: Election Day 2020
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:15 pm
by Gunpowder
degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:07 am
Are you guys afraid that the fact the Dems don't have the senate is a dream scenario for them? Perfect excuse for a "back to status quo" administration who arent actually interested in pursuing the interests of the progressive wing of the party.
Don't really care. I want Trump gone.
What I do care about more is that this is not a 1945 Germany defeat but instead a 1918 Germany barely-not-really-defeat.
Re: Election Day 2020
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:17 pm
by brian
Yeah, I think there's gonna be time for plenty of looking forward before too long, but while this is not a great result, it's a result that at least saves democracy for the short-term. Unfortunately though, Trumpism is here to stay.
Re: Election Day 2020
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:23 pm
by brian
Kayne West (and I am not making this up) has conceded.
Re: Election Day 2020
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:25 pm
by mister d
In case anyone is wondering what I’m currently worried will happen, it’s the Republicans waiting out the margins then selective admittance of the USPS ballots to skew congressional races and/or the presidential race.
Re: Election Day 2020
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:31 pm
by Joe K
brian wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:17 pm
Yeah, I think there's gonna be time for plenty of looking forward before too long, but while this is not a great result, it's a result that at least saves democracy for the short-term. Unfortunately though, Trumpism is here to stay.
Tom Cotton, Josh Hawley and maybe even Little Marco are probably secretly celebrating this outcome as it leaves the door wide open for them to run against Harris in 2024 as a less senile, more polished version of Trumpism.
brian wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:17 pm
Yeah, I think there's gonna be time for plenty of looking forward before too long, but while this is not a great result, it's a result that at least saves democracy for the short-term. Unfortunately though, Trumpism is here to stay.
Tom Cotton, Josh Hawley and maybe even Little Marco are probably secretly celebrating this outcome as it leaves the door wide open for them to run against Harris in 2024 as a less senile, more polished version of Trumpism.
Sure, Cotton or Hawley especially is the nightmare scenario. Like PDX said, don't discount Trump or one of his kids getting into the mix either though. If Trump somehow manages to evade prison, it's not like he's going quietly into the night. He'll be throwing bombs on Fox News for the next four years and the GOP primary for 2024 will be very revealing as to how much of Trumpism really is a cult.
degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:07 am
Are you guys afraid that the fact the Dems don't have the senate is a dream scenario for them? Perfect excuse for a "back to status quo" administration who arent actually interested in pursuing the interests of the progressive wing of the party.
If McConnell has 52-53 Senators, as appears likely, I think any significant legislation on health care, the environment, immigration or court reform is DOA until 2023 — regardless of whether the Dems had any intent to follow through on the those parts of their campaign platform.
My bigger concern is that McConnell outmaneuvers Biden on economic relief and gets Biden to agree to crippling longterm austerity measures in exchange for short term stimulus. After all, the deficit only seems to matter when Dems are in the White House.
I'm super excited for Mitch to refuse to seat any Biden Cabinet officials...because you know dipshits like Ted Cruz are already salivating over the prospects.
Yup. Just said to one of my co-workers that the logical next step for Mitch’s escalation is to hold Cabinet seats hostage. He could potentially draw the line at “no one left of John Kasich gets confirmed.”
If they try to do that, Biden will just appoint a bunch of people and name them acting. So, good luck with that.
Re: Election Day 2020
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:41 pm
by Nonlinear FC
Johnnie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:02 pm
Then all of the cabinet positions will be "acting" like nearly all of them are right now.
And the first mention of Cocaine Mitch complaining should be Biden saying "Get fucked, you hypocrite."
My bad. Obviously hadn't caught up.
Re: Election Day 2020
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:42 pm
by Nonlinear FC
That presumes Trump still wants to be in that office, though, which I really don't think is the case.
brian wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:17 pm
Yeah, I think there's gonna be time for plenty of looking forward before too long, but while this is not a great result, it's a result that at least saves democracy for the short-term. Unfortunately though, Trumpism is here to stay.
Tom Cotton, Josh Hawley and maybe even Little Marco are probably secretly celebrating this outcome as it leaves the door wide open for them to run against Harris in 2024 as a less senile, more polished version of Trumpism.
Sure, Cotton or Hawley especially is the nightmare scenario. Like PDX said, don't discount Trump or one of his kids getting into the mix either though. If Trump somehow manages to evade prison, it's not like he's going quietly into the night. He'll be throwing bombs on Fox News for the next four years and the GOP primary for 2024 will be very revealing as to how much of Trumpism really is a cult.
I think it will be OAN rebranded as Trump TV or a whole new network.
Re: Election Day 2020
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:50 pm
by DaveInSeattle
P.D.X. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:34 pm
...and they'll have to face jr/ivanka
Don't discount the possibility of Trump Sr pulling the Grover Cleveland and his running again in 4 years (assuming he's still alive...at some point, his unhealthy lifestyle has gotta catch up with him).
Re: Election Day 2020
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:51 pm
by EdRomero
My hot takes:
1. The Dems wasting so much money on going after Kentucky and Georgia may also be a case of them spending money poorly. Trump spends so much more on Facebook and I wonder if we're seeing that money spent on tv is becoming a waste.
2. Pollsters are getting bashed for messing it up again, but my conspiracy theory brain remembers that wrong polls may indicate voter fraud -- I remember there was a lot of talk about that in Ohio with Kerry's defeat, but there doesn't seem to be much talk about it now. Trump not wanting people to vote by mail may have been also about him wanting the votes to be processed by favorable machines along with knowing libs are big wusses about Covid.
3. Biden should nominate Hillary as Attorney General.
P.D.X. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:34 pm
...and they'll have to face jr/ivanka
Don't discount the possibility of Trump Sr pulling the Grover Cleveland and his running again in 4 years (assuming he's still alive...at some point, his unhealthy lifestyle has gotta catch up with him).
I think he’d rather host a show on OAN/TrumpTV and shitpost on Twitter. Rush Limbaugh gets paid a hell of a lot more money than US Presidents and has a much easier job.
P.D.X. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:34 pm
...and they'll have to face jr/ivanka
Don't discount the possibility of Trump Sr pulling the Grover Cleveland and his running again in 4 years (assuming he's still alive...at some point, his unhealthy lifestyle has gotta catch up with him).
I think he’d rather host a show on OAN/TrumpTV and shitpost on Twitter. Rush Limbaugh gets paid a hell of a lot more money than US Presidents and has a much easier job.
He'll still back Don Jr. or Ivanka for the job even if he doesn't run again himself. You know he wants to imagine himself as a powerful kingmaker.
Re: Election Day 2020
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:06 pm
by govmentchedda
EdRomero wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:51 pm
My hot takes:
1. The Dems wasting so much money on going after Kentucky and Georgia may also be a case of them spending money poorly. Trump spends so much more on Facebook and I wonder if we're seeing that money spent on tv is becoming a waste.
2. Pollsters are getting bashed for messing it up again, but my conspiracy theory brain remembers that wrong polls may indicate voter fraud -- I remember there was a lot of talk about that in Ohio with Kerry's defeat, but there doesn't seem to be much talk about it now. Trump not wanting people to vote by mail may have been also about him wanting the votes to be processed by favorable machines along with knowing libs are big wusses about Covid.
3. Biden should nominate Hillary as Attorney General.
There's definitely fuckery with the USPS in Miami-Dade.
Re: Election Day 2020
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:15 pm
by degenerasian
Good interview about what possibly went wrong with the Latino vote.
Re: Election Day 2020
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:16 pm
by Johnnie
Despite Fox and the AP calling Arizona, conspiracy theory redhats are ginning up 'Sharpiegate,' saying things like "Why have they called Arizona but not Georgia!?!?!?", and saying "CNN hasn't called it yet, so it can't be true!"
Re: Election Day 2020
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:17 pm
by brian
There's a lot of takeaways (or should be) but an exceptionally alarming one should be that Trump probably would have cruised to re-election if he had bothered to take COVID remotely seriously.
Re: Election Day 2020
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:20 pm
by brian
Ready to go climb back into bed until tomorrow, you guys.
Re: Election Day 2020
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:24 pm
by EnochRoot
brian wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:17 pm
There's a lot of takeaways (or should be) but an exceptionally alarming one should be that Trump probably would have cruised to re-election if he had bothered to take COVID remotely seriously.
This has been obvious since January.
Had he not yanked the embedded epidemiologist out of the Wuhan province or ignored the playbook, and chose to attack the pandemic as a ‘rally around the flag’ moment, he’d have got the knuckle-dragging idiots to follow along, and we’d have been watching the slow-motion realization that he’d win 2020 in a cakewalk. We’d have come to terms with it, too.
But Trump is a malignant narcissist and as such, feels success is obtained by sowing division, so that wasn’t going to happen.
Re: Election Day 2020
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:26 pm
by psunate77
Sara Gideon conceded to Susan Collins.
Pollsters were horribly wrong about the senate races.
P.D.X. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:34 pm
...and they'll have to face jr/ivanka
Don't discount the possibility of Trump Sr pulling the Grover Cleveland and his running again in 4 years (assuming he's still alive...at some point, his unhealthy lifestyle has gotta catch up with him).
I think he’d rather host a show on OAN/TrumpTV and shitpost on Twitter. Rush Limbaugh gets paid a hell of a lot more money than US Presidents and has a much easier job.
I go back on forth on this. No question about the TV/media empire part--it will get rid of his debts--but I can't ever see him endorsing anyone for the GOP nomination again other than himself. Not even his kids. Even if he doesn't want to do it at first, he'll talk himself into it.