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We say that as well and I never thought of this.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:53 am Well here's one that just got dropped on us... For MANY years, the folks at my company that do the construction and repair and meter reading were referred to as "working out in the field." Just never really occurred to anyone at HQ that this was perceived by many to be really racially charged and offensive.
I think if HQ and the folks working outside of offices/facilities were homogeneous, it would never have been raised as an issue. But, there is a pretty distinct racial divide, so... here we are.Gunpowder wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 11:10 amWe say that as well and I never thought of this.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:53 am Well here's one that just got dropped on us... For MANY years, the folks at my company that do the construction and repair and meter reading were referred to as "working out in the field." Just never really occurred to anyone at HQ that this was perceived by many to be really racially charged and offensive.
I'm a little more understanding of someone being offended by this phrase, but again, nobody is meaning the term as relating to slavery, it's being out among clients rather than in the office. Something like Indian giving, or saying calling someone "retarded" for doing something stupid, or the F-word for gay people, 100%, those were commonly used until the 90s, and they gotta go, but where does it end?Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:03 pmI think if HQ and the folks working outside of offices/facilities were homogeneous, it would never have been raised as an issue. But, there is a pretty distinct racial divide, so... here we are.Gunpowder wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 11:10 amWe say that as well and I never thought of this.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:53 am Well here's one that just got dropped on us... For MANY years, the folks at my company that do the construction and repair and meter reading were referred to as "working out in the field." Just never really occurred to anyone at HQ that this was perceived by many to be really racially charged and offensive.
See, but when does it go too far? I had a lawyer friend write this on FB last year and it still bothers me a bit , well, Portuguese is also language, so it's not like it's offensive to just Asians.The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:05 pmI'm a little more understanding of someone being offended by this phrase, but again, nobody is meaning the term as relating to slavery, it's being out among clients rather than in the office. Something like Indian giving, or saying calling someone "retarded" for doing something stupid, or the F-word for gay people, 100%, those were commonly used until the 90s, and they gotta go, but where does it end?Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:03 pmI think if HQ and the folks working outside of offices/facilities were homogeneous, it would never have been raised as an issue. But, there is a pretty distinct racial divide, so... here we are.Gunpowder wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 11:10 amWe say that as well and I never thought of this.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:53 am Well here's one that just got dropped on us... For MANY years, the folks at my company that do the construction and repair and meter reading were referred to as "working out in the field." Just never really occurred to anyone at HQ that this was perceived by many to be really racially charged and offensive.
How is "ese" racist? I mean, Portuguese is also a language, so is it racist to them as well? They've also said we should stop using the word "manhole" because it assumes that women can't also work those sewer jobs.some lawyer on Facebook who likes to tell us what's "offensive" wrote:This is your friendly neighborhood lawyer back with an important PSA: Please, for the love of G!d, stop using the word "legalese" (in reference to languages like Japanese or Chinese) and using the -ese suffix to describe things that are difficult to understand. It's racist. Don't do it.
If you'd like to refer to legal language, you can just call it that. Additionally, you could call it "unnecessary gatekeeping," "bullshit jargon," "using big words to impress people," or "being an asshole." Keep in mind that these are just my suggestions.
Any lawyer, educator, or policy person who is worth their salt can and should explain legal concepts in plain language.
The law is a tool of oppression. When those of us who have had the privilege of learning to understand complicated legal language and concepts continue to gatekeep that information we become even more complicit in continuing that oppression.
If you have used your various privileges to gain understanding of concepts that have been made intentionally hard to understand as a way to keep folks on the margins less informed, it is your duty to use your privilege to get that information to as many people as possible.
When we keep information from others, intentionally or not, because we feel we have "earned" it somehow, we are acting just like the systems that oppress us. When we use legal language, complicated terms, and jargon just because we want to show off how much education we have, we become a tool of the oppressor.
My paralegal just used this phrase.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:32 am Another one that caught me a number of years back is saying someone is going off the reservation. Seemed like a clever thing to say, but you gotta think a bit more about what you're really saying.
My "issue" with not using the term "working out in the field" is that it's kind of hard to rephrase that.
Yeah, that pissed me off too! How the hell could anyone find "legalese" racist? I've used that term to connote in one word what your lawyer friend said in two paragraphs. (They are clearly a better lawyer than me, as we charge by the word). I do completely agree that the legal profession uses Latin terms to make simple concepts seem confusing or complicated. Even had a first year law professor say we use Legalese to make ourselves necessary, because if concepts had easily understood names, nobody would need lawyers.Reaper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 9:59 amSee, but when does it go too far? I had a lawyer friend write this on FB last year and it still bothers me a bit , well, Portuguese is also language, so it's not like it's offensive to just Asians.The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:05 pmI'm a little more understanding of someone being offended by this phrase, but again, nobody is meaning the term as relating to slavery, it's being out among clients rather than in the office. Something like Indian giving, or saying calling someone "retarded" for doing something stupid, or the F-word for gay people, 100%, those were commonly used until the 90s, and they gotta go, but where does it end?Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:03 pmI think if HQ and the folks working outside of offices/facilities were homogeneous, it would never have been raised as an issue. But, there is a pretty distinct racial divide, so... here we are.Gunpowder wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 11:10 amWe say that as well and I never thought of this.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:53 am Well here's one that just got dropped on us... For MANY years, the folks at my company that do the construction and repair and meter reading were referred to as "working out in the field." Just never really occurred to anyone at HQ that this was perceived by many to be really racially charged and offensive.
How is "ese" racist? I mean, Portuguese is also a language, so is it racist to them as well? They've also said we should stop using the word "manhole" because it assumes that women can't also work those sewer jobs.some lawyer on Facebook who likes to tell us what's "offensive" wrote:This is your friendly neighborhood lawyer back with an important PSA: Please, for the love of G!d, stop using the word "legalese" (in reference to languages like Japanese or Chinese) and using the -ese suffix to describe things that are difficult to understand. It's racist. Don't do it.
If you'd like to refer to legal language, you can just call it that. Additionally, you could call it "unnecessary gatekeeping," "bullshit jargon," "using big words to impress people," or "being an asshole." Keep in mind that these are just my suggestions.
Any lawyer, educator, or policy person who is worth their salt can and should explain legal concepts in plain language.
The law is a tool of oppression. When those of us who have had the privilege of learning to understand complicated legal language and concepts continue to gatekeep that information we become even more complicit in continuing that oppression.
If you have used your various privileges to gain understanding of concepts that have been made intentionally hard to understand as a way to keep folks on the margins less informed, it is your duty to use your privilege to get that information to as many people as possible.
When we keep information from others, intentionally or not, because we feel we have "earned" it somehow, we are acting just like the systems that oppress us. When we use legal language, complicated terms, and jargon just because we want to show off how much education we have, we become a tool of the oppressor.
I didn't make it all the way through, but that sure seems like a bunch of mumbo jumbo.Giff wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 11:19 am Legalese isn't included in this article about common terms with racist origins.
"Hate" is a strong word. He's been in a couple fo things I liked, but I just don't find him very funny.
For Mr. D....do you know he has a place in Rhinebeck? He built a full Irish Pub in the basement and bought the local coffee/candy shop to keep it running when the previous owner passed away. Of course my in-laws just sold there place to move to New Paltz.
Wow, they hate him more than Pruitt does!wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 2:06 pmFor Mr. D....do you know he has a place in Rhinebeck? He built a full Irish Pub in the basement and bought the local coffee/candy shop to keep it running when the previous owner passed away. Of course my in-laws just sold there place to move to New Paltz.
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The Elephant SuitStaubach wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:41 am Last week was the 105th anniversary of the hanging of an elephant....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_(elephant)
During the age of Jim Crow, the elephant in some meaningful ways replaced “the slave” in the American imagination, a nonhuman nonperson to be shackled, whipped, and even lynched, by daylight, in the public square. After Jennie died in 1898, her skin was tanned and turned into wallets, sold as souvenirs. Elephant insurrections were put down with elephant executions, as the historian Amy Louise Wood has chronicled. At least 36 American-owned elephants were sentenced to execution between 1880 and 1930. Many of these elephant executions, not all of which succeeded, took place in the Jim Crow South, in states that included Georgia, Texas, and South Carolina, but they happened in the North, too. Most often, elephants were notionally charged with murder—they tended to kill their keepers—and executed, vigilante style, as if they were criminals.