The Swamp

Posted: **Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:11 am**

Posted: **Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:06 am**

tennbengal wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:11 am <Knows where he is from>

<lack of surprise evident>

What surprises me is that these are six or seven years old. Given the stakes surrounding a professional athlete's image, I'm shocked that seemingly no one (agent, family, friend, etc.) strongly urged him to delete these at any point...

Posted: **Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:27 am**

RSmith wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:06 am
tennbengal wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:11 am <Knows where he is from>

<lack of surprise evident>
What surprises me is that these are six or seven years old. Given the stakes surrounding a professional athlete's image, I'm shocked that seemingly no one (agent, family, friend, etc.) strongly urged him to delete these at any point...

The only thing he could’ve done is to get out in front of it. The fact he’s a professional athlete means he was a dox vic waiting to happen.

Posted: **Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:29 am**

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:27 am
RSmith wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:06 am
tennbengal wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:11 am <Knows where he is from>

<lack of surprise evident>
What surprises me is that these are six or seven years old. Given the stakes surrounding a professional athlete's image, I'm shocked that seemingly no one (agent, family, friend, etc.) strongly urged him to delete these at any point...
The only thing he could’ve done is to get out in front of it. The fact he’s a professional athlete means he was a dox vic waiting to happen.

Probably true. I assume that there is some sort of archive of these things out there. But he apparently didn't even try to delete them, thus making it incredibly easy on anyone with a mind to dredge it up.

Posted: **Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:40 am**

I love that his first response was to blame it on rap music. I'm sure he's a completely different guy now!

Posted: **Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:06 am**

Giff wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:40 am I love that his first response was to blame it on rap music. I'm sure he's a completely different guy now!

I will say that the majority of them certainly looked like lyrics. No excuse, of course. But I am also glad I didn't have a public outlet for all the stupid shit I said when I was 17 (none of which was a racial slur, mind you!).

Posted: **Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:11 am**

My favorite rap lyric of all time is "white power lol".

Posted: **Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:11 am**

A_B wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:06 am
Giff wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:40 am I love that his first response was to blame it on rap music. I'm sure he's a completely different guy now!
I will say that the majority of them certainly looked like lyrics. No excuse, of course. But I am also glad I didn't have a public outlet for all the stupid shit I said when I was 17 (none of which was a racial slur, mind you!).

Twitter is certainly much less anonymous than the men's room wall... ;-)

Posted: **Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:12 am**

I had this discussion with a buddy over the weekend about current guys going to Cooperstown. CC's a HoFer, right? Maybe not on the first try, but he held the Heavyweight Championship Belt for best pitcher on earth from in 2007 (or maybe through 2009 depending on where you see Timmay), and anyone over the last 40 years who held the belt and didn't have his career go up his nose like Gooden is either in or should be like Clemens.

Here's the article from BIll Barnwell that I was citing.

Posted: **Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:17 am**

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:12 am I had this discussion with a buddy over the weekend about current guys going to Cooperstown. CC's a HoFer, right? Maybe not on the first try, but he held the Heavyweight Championship Belt for best pitcher on earth from in 2007 (or maybe through 2009 depending on where you see Timmay), and anyone over the last 40 years who held the belt and didn't have his career go up his nose like Gooden is either in or should be like Clemens.

Here's the article from BIll Barnwell that I was citing.

I'd throw Doc Halladay in the conversation as well, but I'm sure I'm less than objective on that. Absolutely, though, CC is a HoF for me. Almost a no-brainer.

ETA: And I do have faith that at some point, enough voters will pull their heads from their asses to put Clemens in.

Posted: **Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:18 am**

Oh, we were in agreement that partly because of his tragic circumstances, Halladay is going in first ballot. Again, objectivity on me and my buddy's part.

Posted: **Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:29 am**

I think Sabathia is going to have more trouble than he should and I think somehow Buehrle is going to factor in as a false comp or something.

Posted: **Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:33 am**

mister d wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:29 am I think Sabathia is going to have more trouble than he should and I think somehow Buehrle is going to factor in as a false comp or something.

That would be a travesty. I liked Buehrle, obviously, but he's no HoF. He's basically a modern-day Jack Morris (who is also in no way a legitimate HoF).

Posted: **Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:33 am**

mister d wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:11 am My favorite rap lyric of all time is "white power lol".

I know, right. And I especially like how he tweaked the pronunciation of “lol” so that he could rhyme it with the next lyric in that song: “I hate gay people.”

Posted: **Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:37 am**

You guys do know what a majority means, right? I will admit I didn't do a deep dive and run the numbers, but of the ones I saw...

Posted: **Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:42 am**

RSmith wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:33 am
mister d wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:29 am I think Sabathia is going to have more trouble than he should and I think somehow Buehrle is going to factor in as a false comp or something.
That would be a travesty. I liked Buehrle, obviously, but he's no HoF. He's basically a modern-day Jack Morris (who is also in no way a legitimate HoF).

Morris got in on that 1991 Game 7 World Series game alone.

Posted: **Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:45 am**

degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:42 am
RSmith wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:33 am
mister d wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:29 am I think Sabathia is going to have more trouble than he should and I think somehow Buehrle is going to factor in as a false comp or something.
That would be a travesty. I liked Buehrle, obviously, but he's no HoF. He's basically a modern-day Jack Morris (who is also in no way a legitimate HoF).
Morris got in on that 1991 Game 7 World Series game alone.

Yep, basically. And there is certainly a place for great *moments* like that in the Hall. But that doesn't mean that you can excuse actually inducting a pitcher with a career 105 ERA+. :)

Posted: **Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:45 am**

I feel like Sabathia is having exactly the couple of late-career years that a lot of non-locks need to gain HOF momentum, BUT I was just thinking the other day of how crazy it is that there's a pretty famous pitcher having a damn good season for the freaking New York Yankees after going through what he went (and continues to go) through and I haven't heard one peep about it.

Posted: **Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:21 pm**

https://www.mlb.com/news/manny-machado- ... -286340444

Posted: **Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:08 pm**

bfj wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:21 pm https://www.mlb.com/news/manny-machado- ... -286340444

The O's needed to back up the truck and extend him to his 29th birthday after he finally broke through in 2015. They didn't. Shit themselves. Worst owner in baseball.

Posted: **Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:12 am**

San Diego just made the type of trade Baltimore should have been trying to.

Posted: **Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:47 am**

mister d wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:12 am San Diego just made the type of trade Baltimore should have been trying to.

Baltimore’s window to make that deal was two years ago. Controllable players bring a better return than rentals.

Posted: **Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:50 am**

Cleveland fans seems to like the deal though, having to give up just one prospect who has struggled whenever coming up to the majors instead of giving up 5.

Posted: **Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:19 pm**

degenerasian wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:50 am Cleveland fans seems to like the deal though, having to give up just one prospect who has struggled whenever coming up to the majors instead of giving up 5.

I don't blame them. It's a pretty good deal for both teams, given their situations.

Posted: **Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:26 pm**

degenerasian wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:50 am Cleveland fans seems to like the deal though, having to give up just one prospect who has struggled whenever coming up to the majors instead of giving up 5.

This is a great move for Cleveland. The bullpen has been their biggest weakness this year, and they get two relief arms who are under team control for the next several years (Hand is a FA after 2021; Cimber is a FA after 2023). Mejia is a very promising bat, but he isn't close to Gomes or Perez with regards to defense and handling the pitching staff. It also sounds like the Tribe had soured on Mejia a bit, as he didn't impress in either his September call up or spring training, and he had a rough start in AAA this year.

This move also effectively means Andrew Miller is gone after this season, and it's unlike Cody Allen will be back, either. If the Indians re-sign either one, it will be Allen.

Posted: **Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:52 pm**

tennbengal wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:47 amBaltimore’s window to make that deal was two years ago. Controllable players bring a better return than rentals.

Posted: **Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:54 pm**

mister d wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:52 pm
tennbengal wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:47 amBaltimore’s window to make that deal was two years ago. Controllable players bring a better return than rentals.

Cubs was a lucky draw for you all. Truly. They were desperate. No one, NO ONE, was that desperate this time around. The market is clearly one where dealing guys with more controllable years brings a better return. You can't seriously be disputing that.

Posted: **Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:02 pm**

We're still two weeks before the deadline which means its really hard to assign a final price on one year rentals, no? And while I'm sure its possible Diaz was the best top-side option Baltimore had and LA decided to tack on four more, I'd probably guess atleast one other team was offering a better singular prospect and less behind him. Overall, I love that SD was willing to tack on another pitcher to Hand to get the prospect they really wanted and Baltimore just serves as a convenient counter.

Posted: **Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:07 pm**

(Also, while I obv agree on controllable versus rental, we're also talking a 0.7 fWAR reliever versus Manny F'ing Machado.)

Posted: **Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:13 pm**

((And a third approach ... filling their biggest need doesn't justify the cost. My house could be great except for the deck, that wouldn't mean paying $50K for a new deck is smart because now my house overall looks great.))

Posted: **Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:15 pm**

mister d wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:13 pm ((And a third approach ... filling their biggest need doesn't justify the cost. My house could be great except for the deck, that wouldn't mean paying $50K for a new deck is smart because now my house overall looks great.))

but you can resell your house with a complete deck if that is the one missing piece.

Posted: **Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:16 pm**

Posted: **Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:26 pm**

A-Rod is so great. Just comped a player to Jody Davis.

Posted: **Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:28 am**

From last night's game on ESPN...

Matt Vasgersian: Is there anything more obnoxious than the bachelorette party at the ballpark, by the way?

Jessica Mendoza: Why is it obnoxious?

Vasgersian: Congratulations, by the way, yeah, we're all very happy for you, la la la la.

Mendoza: Why is that obnoxious?

Vasgersian: It's such a "look at me thing." You're sitting behind like the bridal party–"Like, oh my god! We're getting married! Ehhhhh."

Mendoza: Woooow. Kind of harsh.

Posted: **Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:31 am**

DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:28 am From last night's game on ESPN...

Matt Vasgersian: Is there anything more obnoxious than the bachelorette party at the ballpark, by the way?

Jessica Mendoza: Why is it obnoxious?

Vasgersian: Congratulations, by the way, yeah, we're all very happy for you, la la la la.

Mendoza: Why is that obnoxious?

Vasgersian: It's such a "look at me thing." You're sitting behind like the bridal party–"Like, oh my god! We're getting married! Ehhhhh."

Mendoza: Woooow. Kind of harsh.

Jessica Mendoza makes me misty-eyed for the days of Joe Morgan...

(Not directly related to the above. Just a general observation.)

Posted: **Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:32 am**

That's one approach.

Posted: **Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:37 am**

Didn't think it needed to be stated, but apparently it does. She's not wrong. Vasgersian was being a misogynist dick.

And, nothing will ever make me pine for Joe Morgan in a booth.

Posted: **Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:59 am**

sancarlos wrote: ↑Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:37 am And, nothing will ever make me pine for Joe Morgan in a booth.

Joe was a dummy when it came to modern analysis (and occasionally a mean-spirited one, from some interviews I've read). BUT, purely as a broadcaster, I loved listening to him.

Posted: **Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:12 pm**

Matt Vasgersian: Is there anything more obnoxious than the bachelorette party at the ballpark, by the way?
Me, much less concerned about my future as an on-air broadcaster than Jess Mendoza: Armenians?

Posted: **Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:54 pm**

DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:28 am From last night's game on ESPN...

Matt Vasgersian: Is there anything more obnoxious than the bachelorette party at the ballpark, by the way?

Jessica Mendoza: Why is it obnoxious?

Vasgersian: Congratulations, by the way, yeah, we're all very happy for you, la la la la.

Mendoza: Why is that obnoxious?

Vasgersian: It's such a "look at me thing." You're sitting behind like the bridal party–"Like, oh my god! We're getting married! Ehhhhh."

Mendoza: Woooow. Kind of harsh.

That was a whole lot of stupidity coming out of both of their mouths. Yes, bringing your bachelorette party to the ballgame is sort of silly, but that's the point of the bachelorette party. Matt Vasgersian taking issue with it on the air is just dumb for many reasons, namely, Jessica Mendoza going to bat for the bachelorettes, baiting him into saying something even dumber. Her #hottake was more annoying than his ignorance.

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