NFL Offseason Thread

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:05 am

Jim Irsay arrested just north of Indianapolis last night. Possession of a controlled substance.

Dammit.

Guy may be a bit nutty but I thought he had kicked the pills etc. My guess is that CS is heroin.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:45 am

This guy? No way.

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:46 am

BSF21 wrote:Jim Irsay arrested just north of Indianapolis last night. Possession of a controlled substance.

Dammit.

Guy may be a bit nutty but I thought he had kicked the pills etc. My guess is that CS is heroin.

Mugshot.

One of the links in that article is to a picture of him wearing what appears to be the same gawdawful shirt he got arrested in.

Post by **Sabo** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:57 am

New Steelers free safety weighs in.

@MikeMitchell wrote:Very curious how the @nfl and @nflcommish will handle this developing Jim Irsay story. I know when it comes to players... #NoMercy

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:53 am

Per ESPN Boston trhose contract details are pretty crappy for Browner. $1MM guaranteed? Pretty much everything else is bonuses. Guess he was in a bad spot coming off the suspension.

Total value: $12.35 million
Maximum value: $16.8 million
Signing bonus: $0

2014
Base: $1 million (guaranteed)
Offseason workout bonus: $250,000
Roster bonus: $500,000 for making the 53-man roster at any point during the season (just has to be on it for one day and he sees this)
Second roster bonus: $150,000 per game he's on the 46-man roster
Playtime incentives: Up to $1.25 million

2015
Base: $1.9 million
Roster bonus: $2 million (90-man roster at start of league year)
Second roster bonus: $100,000 per game he’s on the 46-man roster
Playtime incentives: Up to $500,000 ($250k for 75 percent playing time; another $250k for 85 percent playing time)

2016
Base: $1.9 million
Roster bonus: $2 million (90-man roster at start of league year)
Second roster bonus: $100,000 per game he’s on the 46…
Playtime incentives: Up to $500,000 ($250k for 75 percent playing time; another $250k for 85 percent playing time)

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:20 am

Not bad. That's a really good deal for the team.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:27 am

Guess he was in a bad spot coming off the suspension.

Fortunately, the best support system in sports awaits him.

Post by **brian** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:44 am

Jerloma wrote:
Guess he was in a bad spot coming off the suspension.
Fortunately, the best support system in sports awaits him.

You gotta figure based on the percentages that there's probably only a 2 percent chance he ends up murdering somebody. I'll take those odds.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:22 am

I imagine this means Irsay gets 4 games as well.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:40 pm

Gunpowder wrote:I imagine this means Irsay gets 4 games as well.

Does the NFL have the power to suspend his twitter account? That is where the public is best served.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:46 pm

Jerloma wrote:
Guess he was in a bad spot coming off the suspension.
Fortunately, the best support system in sports awaits him.

No doubt.

Shield tarnished? Hell no. That's just a one dude's cry for help.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:22 am

Gunpowder wrote:Though Steeler fans do expect every pick to be awesome. Which is crazy.

And Jets fans expect every pick to suck.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:19 am

Jets have been making some pretty good picks lately, at least. Richardson may be the best player in last year's draft.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:26 am

Jared Allen wants $10 million a year.

I guess he's drinking again.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:45 am

tennbengal wrote:Jared Allen wants $10 million a year.

I guess he's drinking again.

If he had been reasonable in his demands, he'd have been a Bronco before DeMarcus Ware hit the market.

Post by **brian** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:51 am

sancarlos wrote:
tennbengal wrote:Jared Allen wants $10 million a year.

I guess he's drinking again.
If he had been reasonable in his demands, he'd have been a Bronco before DeMarcus Ware hit the market.

Oh man. He's gotta be crying himself to sleep every night that he wasn't able to join the Dream Team.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:57 am

brian wrote:
sancarlos wrote:
tennbengal wrote:Jared Allen wants $10 million a year.

I guess he's drinking again.
If he had been reasonable in his demands, he'd have been a Bronco before DeMarcus Ware hit the market.
Oh man. He's gotta be crying himself to sleep every night that he wasn't able to join the Dream Team.

I don't think he liked the support system.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:00 am

Gunpowder wrote:Jets have been making some pretty good picks lately, at least. Richardson may be the best player in last year's draft.

Successful picks don't stop Jets fans from booing the picks at the draft or bitching from draft day until the season starts. Every day is a good day to bitch about Ghoulston.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:05 am

brian wrote:
sancarlos wrote:
tennbengal wrote:Jared Allen wants $10 million a year.

I guess he's drinking again.
If he had been reasonable in his demands, he'd have been a Bronco before DeMarcus Ware hit the market.
Oh man. He's gotta be crying himself to sleep every night that he wasn't able to join the Dream Team.

The point was that he didn't have to be unemployed, now.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:25 pm

Things working out nicely for Jared Allen, as Ed Werder tweeted that he's finalizing details on a deal with the Seahawks.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:39 pm

Sanchize released. Vick signed.

And Vick wants Geno's number.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:02 pm

Matt Schaub to Oakland, for a sixth round pick.

Johnny Football to Houston?

howard · Post by **howard** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:09 pm

Oddly, this makes me happy. He can't really be 2013 bad, can he? He's better than Pat McGroin, right? TT? Shirley? help me out here.

ETA: Holy moley, that is a big contract. From the raiders.com site:

Schaub is carrying a 14.4 million dollar cap hit for 2014 with 10 million in base salary. Those numbers climb to a 17 million dollar cap hit and 12.5 million is base salary for 2015.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:09 pm

howard wrote:Oddly, this makes me happy. He can't really be 2013 bad, can he? He's better than Pat McGroin, right? TT? Shirley? help me out here.

ETA: Holy moley, that is a big contract. From the raiders.com site:

Schaub is carrying a 14.4 million dollar cap hit for 2014 with 10 million in base salary. Those numbers climb to a 17 million dollar cap hit and 12.5 million is base salary for 2015.

I was going to say that you can't go wrong with Schaub for a 6th Rounder, but that is a big salary hit. Being that it's the Raiders, it is bound to fail.

Torn about Vick to the Jets. No idea if Geno has what it takes to be a decent starter. Vick can be great, but is it worth starting Vick over Geno and inhibiting Geno's development? Then again, maybe sitting Geno for a year until they can develop a receiving corp might be a benefit. I just fear this is another Favre. Stalling the rebuild for a year.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:03 pm

Raiders had an obscene amount of cap space coming into this offseason (and had a lot of unused space last year) and no one wanted to take it. GM's grace period has ended, so positive results need to be shown.

Rams Fanny · Post by **Rams Fanny** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:13 pm

It certainly feels like Carson Palmer redux...with less production and a higher cap hit.

Post by **Shirley** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:52 pm

howard wrote:Oddly, this makes me happy. He can't really be 2013 bad, can he? He's better than Pat McGroin, right? TT? Shirley? help me out here.

ETA: Holy moley, that is a big contract. From the raiders.com site:

Schaub is carrying a 14.4 million dollar cap hit for 2014 with 10 million in base salary. Those numbers climb to a 17 million dollar cap hit and 12.5 million is base salary for 2015.

I've only loosely followed him in the NFL, because he's a Virginia guy. I do know that in college, he very quietly got better each year until he had a monster senior season. He played at the same time as, and in the shadow of, Philip Rivers at NC State. While Rivers broke pretty much every ACC career record, Schaub actually outplayed him their senior year and was the ACC POY.

It seems to me that his pro career has been pretty similar - quietly very damn good, just not usually on great teams.

That was why I was so shocked at how the Texans turned on him this year. It looked to me like he still had it in him. But maybe all of those returned INTs got in his head.

He's always been slow on his feet, so I wouldn't think foot surgery would be that big of a deal. Schaub is tall - 6'7" - so he's been able to compensate for not moving that well by being able to see and throw over defenders.

All in all, that's a lot of money, but he has a very good shot at being the best Raiders QB in a long time.

howard · Post by **howard** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 12:30 am

Thanks. I needed that. Specially after the Carson Palmer comment above. You're on my list, R.F.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 12:36 am

I agree. I think Schaub's bad 2013 year was more due to shitty play calling then anything and eventually defenses figured it out and all those INTs got to his head.

I remember one early season game where they had Seattle by the balls and then inexplicably threw on 3rd down up late in the 4th quarter IN Seattle territory. It ruined the entire Texan's season.

-----

Here it is. Should never happen, run the ball and punt. Question always is, is the QB doing that on his own or is it on the coach?
The Cowboys did that once too and Garrett threw Romo under the bus.

Howard, tell the Raiders not to do that and you'll be fine!

TT2.0 · Post by **TT2.0** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 1:44 pm

watching schaub play, you can see the deer in the headlights look and the bad decisions. he threw a handful of pick 6's, and should've realistically thrown about 8 more that were dropped. he's coming off injury, didn't look good here, and had to go. you can't have a playoff team one year, and the nfl's worst record the next year without somebody losing their job. he was expensive as hell, nobody trusted him, and since we cant really be sure if the problem was wade phillips, matt schaub, or kubiak, im fine with cleaning house. he could revert back to a couple years ago and throw for 5k, but i doubt it. if you can't make it work with the weapons in houston, oakland probably isn't gonna work out for you

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:59 pm

Shob was much better in the years prior to his trade than Carson Palmer, who steadily declined for like 3 years before the Raiders went Raider. For Shob, though, I think foot surgery is a big deal. And I think it helped ruin him. You plant and drive off of your feet to a big extend when throwing. I think a similar injury would possibly mark the effective end of a baseball pitcher's career.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:01 pm

TT2.0 wrote:watching schaub play, you can see the deer in the headlights look and the bad decisions. he threw a handful of pick 6's, and should've realistically thrown about 8 more that were dropped. he's coming off injury, didn't look good here, and had to go. you can't have a playoff team one year, and the nfl's worst record the next year without somebody losing their job. he was expensive as hell, nobody trusted him, and since we cant really be sure if the problem was wade phillips, matt schaub, or kubiak, im fine with cleaning house. he could revert back to a couple years ago and throw for 5k, but i doubt it. if you can't make it work with the weapons in houston, oakland probably isn't gonna work out for you

I'd say weapon, singular. They are arguably worse than the Lions when it comes to finding a legit #2 WR. We'll see how Hopkins turns out. AJ is getting old and Foster continues to take RB hits.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:07 pm

Gunpowder wrote:
TT2.0 wrote:watching schaub play, you can see the deer in the headlights look and the bad decisions. he threw a handful of pick 6's, and should've realistically thrown about 8 more that were dropped. he's coming off injury, didn't look good here, and had to go. you can't have a playoff team one year, and the nfl's worst record the next year without somebody losing their job. he was expensive as hell, nobody trusted him, and since we cant really be sure if the problem was wade phillips, matt schaub, or kubiak, im fine with cleaning house. he could revert back to a couple years ago and throw for 5k, but i doubt it. if you can't make it work with the weapons in houston, oakland probably isn't gonna work out for you

I'd say weapon, singular. They are arguably worse than the Lions when it comes to finding a legit #2 WR. We'll see how Hopkins turns out. AJ is getting old and Foster continues to take RB hits.

I was going to say the same thing. Kevin Walter was a their #2 for a while!

Foster also is a terrible receiver. Owen Daniels is nice, but he's nothing incredible. And since he's gone, who is replacing him. Garrett Graham?

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:41 am

All bonus money in a trade immediately hits the previous team's cap, in this case, the Texans. So Shob will take up only his base salaries from Oakland's enormous cap space and he can be cut at any time with no cap penalty.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:17 am

In my experience, Mark Cuban is right. My desire to watch NFL has gone down considerably, and it has nothing to do with how bad my team has been recently.

rass · Post by **rass** » Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:01 pm

NFL bans dunking over the crossbar.

Post by **brian** » Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:18 pm

Thank God our long national nightmare is at last over.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:08 pm

brian wrote:Thank God our long national nightmare is at last over.

Finally! The only thing stopping Howard from watching the NFL for the past decade. Welcome back, Howard. JaMarcus Russell? Yeah, he panned out. Don't worry.

howard · Post by **howard** » Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:25 pm

These assholes are just trying to make Cuban's point for him.

DC47 · Post by **DC47** » Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:34 pm

The Sybian wrote:
brian wrote:Thank God our long national nightmare is at last over.
Finally! The only thing stopping Howard from watching the NFL for the past decade. Welcome back, Howard. JaMarcus Russell? Yeah, he panned out. Don't worry.

He's good. But I'm not with those who say he's better than Lamonica and Stabler. The first Super Bowl was largely due to Heyward-Bey's 3 touchdowns, and only one was on a long pass. Russell was better in the second one, but the defense was dominating. It helps to have two all-pro defensive backs. It will be interesting to see what Russell can do throwing to Usain Bolt this season. He almost broke 6,000 yards passing last year -- with the addition of Bolt he's got a real shot to do it this season. Al Davis must be looking up with great pride.