Game of Thrones Season 6: The Quickening (chatter/guesses/spoilers)

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon May 02, 2016 10:10 am

Having Tyrion become best buds with the dragons is genius.

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Mon May 02, 2016 10:38 am

Better second episode than the first, though I though they telegraphed the shit out of the big "shock" moments.

Jon's revival could have been executed better, but at least they got it out of the way early instead of using the build-up as padding for more episodes.

I actually like the idea of using Bran's visions as the vehicle to present the flashbacks. Looks like the Tower of Joy and a possible R + L = J reveal are coming next episode.

Is anyone else losing interest in Arya's plot? When she first got to Braavos I was like "cool, now she's going to be an assassin" but it's mostly just burning a few minutes each episode on faceless assassin guy and his bitchy assistant saying cryptic things to her.

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon May 02, 2016 10:43 am

Johnny Carwash wrote:Better second episode than the first, though I though they telegraphed the shit out of the big "shock" moments.

Jon's revival could have been executed better, but at least they got it out of the way early instead of using the build-up as padding for more episodes.

I liked Sepinwell's suggestion that it would have maybe built more tension (for something we all knew was going to happen) if the resurrection attempt had happened earlier in the episode, then cut to the Winterfell scenes, then back to the Wall to see Ghost perk up and Jon's gasp, end of episode.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Mon May 02, 2016 10:55 am

So the rumor about Lyanna is what again? That Jon Snow is the rape-child of her and the Mad King?

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon May 02, 2016 11:00 am

Jerloma wrote:So the rumor about Lyanna is what again? That Jon Snow is the rape-child of her and the Mad King?

Rhaegar Targaryen, the Mad King's (Aerys) son (and big bro to Daenerys).

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Mon May 02, 2016 11:01 am

rass wrote:
Jerloma wrote:So the rumor about Lyanna is what again? That Jon Snow is the rape-child of her and the Mad King?
Rhaegar Targaryen, the Mad King's (Aerys) son (and big bro to Daenerys).

The femmy one who got bronzed by Khal Drogo?

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Mon May 02, 2016 11:06 am

Jerloma wrote:
rass wrote:
Jerloma wrote:So the rumor about Lyanna is what again? That Jon Snow is the rape-child of her and the Mad King?
Rhaegar Targaryen, the Mad King's (Aerys) son (and big bro to Daenerys).
The femmy one who got bronzed by Khal Drogo?

No, his older brother, who was killed in battle by Robert prior to to the events of the series. Also it was consensual (according to the theory).

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon May 02, 2016 11:06 am

Jerloma wrote:
rass wrote:
Jerloma wrote:So the rumor about Lyanna is what again? That Jon Snow is the rape-child of her and the Mad King?
Rhaegar Targaryen, the Mad King's (Aerys) son (and big bro to Daenerys).
The femmy one who got bronzed by Khal Drogo?

No, that was a different big bro. Rhaegar was the oldest, and ran off with Lyanna even though he married to Elia Martell (who was killed by the Mountain during/after the rebellion which is why everyone in Dorne hates the Lannisters so much).

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon May 02, 2016 11:07 am

Johnny Carwash wrote:
Jerloma wrote:
rass wrote:
Jerloma wrote:So the rumor about Lyanna is what again? That Jon Snow is the rape-child of her and the Mad King?
Rhaegar Targaryen, the Mad King's (Aerys) son (and big bro to Daenerys).
The femmy one who got bronzed by Khal Drogo?
No, his older brother, who was killed in battle by Robert prior to to the events of the series. Also it was consensual (according to the theory).

Yeah, I should have said that the rape-ness is in question. Robert (and I guess Ned) both saw it as an abduction, but that's not a sure thing.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon May 02, 2016 11:14 am

Jerloma wrote:So the rumor about Lyanna is what again? That Jon Snow is the rape-child of her and the Mad King?

The fan theory is that it was not-rapey, but that Lyanna ran away with Rhaegar, and it was covered up. Their union in that theory begat Jon, who Eddard passed off as his to protect Jon from being targeted by Robert Baretheon ( I think ).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%2BL%3DJ_Theory

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Mon May 02, 2016 11:27 am

Thanks.

It's a little weird how the resurrection happened almost exactly how we envisioned, right? Like, I have a feeling that there's more to it. Maybe it was just coincidental and Mel didn't even do it. More to do with Ghost.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon May 02, 2016 12:05 pm

Jerloma wrote:Thanks.

It's a little weird how the resurrection happened almost exactly how we envisioned, right? Like, I have a feeling that there's more to it. Maybe it was just coincidental and Mel didn't even do it. More to do with Ghost.

I was wondering if that was the first time he'd been alone with Ghost (who by the way is NAMED GHOST), and just HAPPENED to be after Melisandre did her tricks. There's always been a link, not sure if there's more there or not.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Mon May 02, 2016 12:32 pm

He's a good boy. Ramsay's dogs...not so much.

We get it, GoT. Ramsay is a horrible person.

vandwagon · Post by **vandwagon** » Mon May 02, 2016 1:25 pm

I was hopeful that Ramsay had finally gotten his. I loved how it was sort of ambiguous who stabbed who for a second. Should have known better.

Edited to add:
Just read something in the comments to the HitFix recap that I hadn't thought of. By dying, Jon Snow has satisfied his oath to the Night's Watch and is now essentially free. Leading the Free Folk army to retake Winterfell maybe?

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon May 02, 2016 10:02 pm

I just watched it. Yes. Yes, I am.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Tue May 03, 2016 10:44 am

vandwagon wrote:I was hopeful that Ramsay had finally gotten his. I loved how it was sort of ambiguous who stabbed who for a second. Should have known better.

Edited to add:
Just read something in the comments to the HitFix recap that I hadn't thought of. By dying, Jon Snow has satisfied his oath to the Night's Watch and is now essentially free. Leading the Free Folk army to retake Winterfell maybe?

Re the edit, interesting potential loophole. It didn't exactly work that way for Buffy though. She was still a Slayer after both of her deaths.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Tue May 03, 2016 3:05 pm

Johnnie wrote:

I just watched it. Yes. Yes, I am.

Going from the twitter profile pic I had no idea who that was.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Tue May 03, 2016 6:29 pm

Have finally caught up on the first 2 episodes...

I'm thinking that following Ramsay Bolton anywhere is a bad idea, but especially into the kennels...

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu May 05, 2016 10:09 am

A_B wrote:
Jerloma wrote:Thanks.

It's a little weird how the resurrection happened almost exactly how we envisioned, right? Like, I have a feeling that there's more to it. Maybe it was just coincidental and Mel didn't even do it. More to do with Ghost.
I was wondering if that was the first time he'd been alone with Ghost (who by the way is NAMED GHOST), and just HAPPENED to be after Melisandre did her tricks. There's always been a link, not sure if there's more there or not.

From The Maester

"Adam asks, “Do you think Jon warged inside Ghost and then warged back into his body, or that he was just resurrected by Melisandre?”
I think it was a combination of the two. Jon’s consciousness uploaded to the Ghost cloud at the moment of his death. When Melisandre rebooted his body, the Snow OS was automatically reinstalled."

Clever way to phrase it.

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Thu May 05, 2016 10:31 am

Trivia time: Which Game of Thrones Character has killed the most people on the show (defined as directly, personally, killing someone on-screen)?

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Thu May 05, 2016 11:18 am

Johnny Carwash wrote:Trivia time: Which Game of Thrones Character has killed the most people on the show (defined as directly, personally, killing someone on-screen)?

The dragon that landed on the field in Merreen?

Otherwise, Brienne? She killed a lot during the season's first episode.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Thu May 05, 2016 11:51 am

I'll go with the King Slayer.

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu May 05, 2016 11:54 am

My thoughts were Brienne or Jon.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Thu May 05, 2016 12:12 pm

The Hound might be another good candidate. The hard part for me is remembering the battles.

Tyrion's attack on Stannis's ships killed tons of people, but I don't know if those would count.

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Thu May 05, 2016 12:14 pm

No correct answer so far. You did mention a few of the others near the top of the list.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Thu May 05, 2016 12:20 pm

Ramsay?

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu May 05, 2016 12:23 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote:The Hound might be another good candidate. The hard part for me is remembering the battles.

Tyrion's attack on Stannis's ships killed tons of people, but I don't know if those would count.

Yeah, there were a number of big battles in the first couple of seasons (when Robb was still around), but for budgetary reasons or whatever we usually just saw the aftermath.

Could go with the Mountain, I guess. He got some kills in back then, and some more recent ones, too.

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Thu May 05, 2016 12:24 pm

Nope.

Hint: It's a secondary (maybe tertiary) character.

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu May 05, 2016 12:25 pm

Jaqen?

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Thu May 05, 2016 12:30 pm

Dario?

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu May 05, 2016 12:31 pm

Jerloma wrote:Dario?

Grey Worm!

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Thu May 05, 2016 12:32 pm

Jorah? He's killed a bunch on his travels outside Westeros. Including the battle royale at end of last season.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Thu May 05, 2016 12:32 pm

rass wrote:
Jerloma wrote:Dario?
Grey Worm!

Or even Jorah.

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Thu May 05, 2016 12:35 pm

Still not correct.

Running out to lunch now, so you guys will have to stew for a while.

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu May 05, 2016 12:37 pm

I guess Jorah has been around for longer, but the last couple of seasons he, Dario and Grey Worm have had pretty equal opportunities. Except GW had that scene were he killed like 10 harpies in an alley. But he's apparently still wrong.

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu May 05, 2016 12:39 pm

Bronn (has) had a lot of kills.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Thu May 05, 2016 12:47 pm

Did anyone in particular do a lot of killing at the Red Wedding? I know Roose got Rob but I think that's it. Walder Frey?

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu May 05, 2016 12:56 pm

Jerloma wrote:Did anyone in particular do a lot of killing at the Red Wedding? I know Roose got Rob but I think that's it. Walder Frey?

I think he just sat there, and I'm assuming giving orders to kill does not count as "directly, personally killing".

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu May 05, 2016 2:00 pm

My first guess was The Hound, but since that isn't correct I guess I would probably, since we're going with secondary characters, maybe go with Tormund Giantsbane since he's been in a bunch of the war scenes.

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Thu May 05, 2016 2:02 pm

rass wrote:Bronn (has) had a lot of kills.

This is correct.

Rounding out the top five: the Hound, Jon Snow, Tormund, and Ygritte.