NFL 2017 Week 13- Return of Josh Gordon

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:21 pm

I saw the whole "the Giants should release (an asset) out of respect" line of reasoning the other day but it was seemingly debunked by someone pointing out he'd be subject to waivers and end up in an even shittier spot.

Post by **brian** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:27 pm

Right. Releasing him actually helps the Giants and hurts Eli.

Unless I'm mistaken, if he's released and claimed, then the whomever claims him has to absorb 100 percent of his contract and the cap hit. This is obviously a HUGE benefit to the Giants and means he has no control over where he goes.

I had thought because of that it would be unlikely that he would be claimed on waivers, but his deal isn't really too bad. I'm not a capologist, but looks like something in the ballpark of $22M a year. That's a lot, but not undoable for a QB-needy team with cap room (also the deal only runs through 2019 season so essentially it's only a two-year commitment. Would be perfect for a team like Jacksonville or even Denver.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:31 pm

I would think hurts him and the Giants and helps whoever the claiming team is. Aren't QBs, even ones on the downslide, like insanely valuable?

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:31 pm

Am I missing something, or did the Eli release news just come from a fake Adam Schefter Twitter account?

Post by **brian** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:35 pm

Joe K wrote:Am I missing something, or did the Eli release news just come from a fake Adam Schefter Twitter account?

There's been mainstream mention of it, but more in the theoretical sense. I don't know if I've seen a sourced report that Eli has actually requested his release, but even if he has it's doubtful the Giants would do it during the season. Not sure it makes sense for either party (as Mr. D noted). Though it probably DOES make more sense for the Giants than Eli.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:40 pm

That's on me guys. Yeah, it was not his verified account. My bad. FAKE NEWS.

I get the initial AB_skin_test joke now, but wouldn't have minded an earlier explanation!

duff · Post by **duff** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:43 pm

brian wrote:
duff wrote:
tennbengal wrote:What now?

He can finally be reunited with the fine people of San Diego.

Which team is moving to San Diego?

Released (no team), team moved (no team), drafted there...

Post by **brian** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:03 pm

File Under: Matt Stafford is probably underpaid.

https://twitter.com/LLamorandier/status ... sult-funny

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:36 am

brian wrote:Right. Releasing him actually helps the Giants and hurts Eli.

Unless I'm mistaken, if he's released and claimed, then the whomever claims him has to absorb 100 percent of his contract and the cap hit. This is obviously a HUGE benefit to the Giants and means he has no control over where he goes.

I had thought because of that it would be unlikely that he would be claimed on waivers, but his deal isn't really too bad. I'm not a capologist, but looks like something in the ballpark of $22M a year. That's a lot, but not undoable for a QB-needy team with cap room (also the deal only runs through 2019 season so essentially it's only a two-year commitment. Would be perfect for a team like Jacksonville or even Denver.

Very difficult for a team to fit that in this year when they didn't plan for it. Denver would have to cut a lot of people. Was a big stumbling block for a Romo trade since you can't arrange the contract per your cap schedule.

Jacksonville could do it easily, though. As far as I knew they only had to take the base salary (about $10.6 mil) but it might be different for players picked up on waivers mid-season.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:19 am

Shocking (or maybe not...) stat of the day - in the period since he became the Pats, Bellichick has more wins in Buffalo than any Bills coach.

Gearing up for the game - my daughter is a huge Pats fan - all over new england at -9.

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:18 pm

This could go in a few different threads, but the Silverdome implosion didn't work, which I'm sure Lions fans will have fun interpreting as a symbol/omen of things.

Post by **brian** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:42 pm

Yeah that’s the Schrödinger’s cat of potential Lions memes right there. You can go with futility, durability.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:19 pm

Insane sequence near the end of the Jets/Chiefs game. Jets had first and goal at the 5. Three plays go nowhere, but Chiefs penalized for personal foul on FG kick, so first and goal again. Two running plays, then defensive holding on 3rd down so 1st down again. Then a couple more runs and they finally score on 3rd down (10th goal-to-goal play). Go for two - defensive holding again. Marcus Peters chucks the flag into the stands and stomps off the field to the lockers - even though he’s not ejected! Jets get two-pointer on retry. Later Peters comes back to sideline, with no socks on.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:16 pm

Robbie Gould kicking five field goals to beat Chicago, 15-14, seems completely appropriate. Even moreso when one of the Bears' touchdowns was on a punt return.

Hopefully the pre-game rumors about Fox getting fired within 24 hours of the game if they lost come true.

Post by **Sabo** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:16 pm

Sober Josh Gordon is beautiful.

Post by **Sabo** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:43 pm

WTF.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... s-jets-nfl

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:48 pm

Sabo wrote:WTF.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... s-jets-nfl

[sad face] Sabo doesn't read my posts.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:51 pm

If this Giants season has taught me one thing, it is how hard it is to lose a lot of games in the NFL, and how little we appreciate the Browns for their mastery of the craft.

Post by **Sabo** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:52 pm

Clearly, but you might be missing something in that link, too.

duff · Post by **duff** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:36 pm

Sabo wrote:Clearly, but you might be missing something in that link, too.

Some shitty sports writer's tweet.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:47 pm

So I'm watching this replay and what exactly was Gronkowski supposed to do, not drop the People's Elbow on some unsuspecting defenseless dude?

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:25 pm

That Bills game was like Groundhog Day. I swear I have seen the exact same game except with 4 different Bills QBs.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:23 pm

Sabo wrote:WTF.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... s-jets-nfl

When he came back, it looked like he was pleading with a fan to return his socks. Fucking bizarre. After they marched Peters to the locker room, the ref announced the penalties. I said to my son it was weird he didn't announce the ejection. That was one of the most bizarre sequences I've ever seen. All the while, I wasn't sure if I wanted the Jets to win, or root for a better draft pick. I guess ending the season on a total collapse would destroy morale, so maybe winning is good.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:11 am

The Sybian wrote:
Sabo wrote:WTF.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... s-jets-nfl

When he came back, it looked like he was pleading with a fan to return his socks. Fucking bizarre. After they marched Peters to the locker room, the ref announced the penalties. I said to my son it was weird he didn't announce the ejection. That was one of the most bizarre sequences I've ever seen. All the while, I wasn't sure if I wanted the Jets to win, or root for a better draft pick. I guess ending the season on a total collapse would destroy morale, so maybe winning is good.

My favorite part of that sequence was the Jewish kids in their yarmulkes waving the flag as everyone in their section leaned in to take selfies.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:20 am

Johnny Carwash wrote:This could go in a few different threads, but the Silverdome implosion didn't work, which I'm sure Lions fans will have fun interpreting as a symbol/omen of things.

https://twitter.com/DrewMikePodcast/sta ... y-wrong%2F

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:10 am

Rex wrote:So I'm watching this replay and what exactly was Gronkowski supposed to do, not drop the People's Elbow on some unsuspecting defenseless dude?

So if the NFL is serious about head shit...he's gonna get a couple of games off right?

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:17 am

I'll guess 1. I think it's historically really hard to get multiple games unless you're a repeat offender and/or you try and cave a guy's helmetless skull in with your giant cleat.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:47 am

Look, it was a stupid thing to do you guys. That's what it was. A stupid thing to do.

Stupid.

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:50 am

What are the odds he gets a more lenient punishment that the guy who threw the penalty flag into the stands?

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:00 pm

Johnny Carwash wrote:What are the odds he gets a more lenient punishment that the guy who threw the penalty flag into the stands?

less than even money.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:04 pm

Effin Gronk is going to get suspended and screw up his loyal fantasy owners.

I bet Peters gets fined but not suspended.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:06 pm

The Josh McDaniels watch is on at Exit 16W

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:47 pm

Giants Clean House

Geno Smith the last straw?

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:35 pm

Holy dipshits

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status ... 1967563777

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:40 pm

There are some guys who you just know you'll never see HC-ing in the NFL again.

To that list, you can obviously add McAdoo.

Avram · Post by **Avram** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:45 pm

Pruitt wrote:There are some guys who you just know you'll never see HC-ing in the NFL again.

To that list, you can obviously add McAdoo.

along with Chip Kelly and Tomsula?
is Rich Kotite still around?

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:52 pm

Avram wrote:
Pruitt wrote:There are some guys who you just know you'll never see HC-ing in the NFL again.

To that list, you can obviously add McAdoo.

along with Chip Kelly and Tomsula?
is Rich Kotite still around?

Mangini and Rex Ryan spring to mind.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:55 pm

Pruitt wrote:There are some guys who you just know you'll never see HC-ing in the NFL again.

To that list, you can obviously add McAdoo.

Ray Handley has been on that list for 25 years.

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:57 pm

I feel like Tomsula has a 4-game interim stint for a comically inept team in his future. Maybe more than one.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:03 pm

Johnny Carwash wrote:I feel like Tomsula has a 4-game interim stint for a comically inept team in his future. Maybe more than one.

"Pulling a Crennel?"