The Swamp

so much for the humidor at Chase Field!

sancarlos wrote: ↑Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:13 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:53 pm LA will score.

But, you have no evidence of that!

(At least not today!)

STILL no evidence!

Gabe Kapler’s first three games as a manager have been super not great.

tennbengal wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:28 am Gabe Kapler’s first three games as a manager have been super not great.

I largely agree with Kapler’s quick hook philosophy as a postseason strategy, but it sure seems like a good way to destroy your bullpen over the course of a 162 game regular season.

I mean, yeah. It’s still a 162 game season right? And that’s not even getting into him mistakenly calling into the game yesterday a guy who wasn’t warming up.

Yeah, I don’t mind cycling relievers, especially early in the season when you’re not sure what you have, but you can’t have a guy throw three straight and you sure as fuck can’t forget to get someone warm. Ump did the right thing but there should be some sort of punishment there.

Well, after winning two 1-0 games, the clock turned midnight and Cinderella's dress turned back into rags. In the 3rd and 4th games of the season, the Giants were outscored 14-0. The big offseason acquisitions, Mccutchen, Jackson and Longoria are a combined 2-for-43 at bat.

Twins’ Brian Dozier with the season’s first dumbass take:



(It was actually a 7 run lead, but the take’s smell of dumbassery is the same)...

Going to be a long season in Pittsburgh.
Taillon throwing a gem, 9 strikeouts over 5 and 1/3. First hint of trouble with a 5-1 lead he gets lifted. 3 pitchers later, it's still the 6th inning.

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:24 am Twins’ Brian Dozier with the season’s first dumbass take:



(It was actually a 7 run lead, but the take’s smell of dumbassery is the same)...

If you don't want teams bunting then don't shift the defense when up by 7

Or ever, really. If teams are going to shift, then they have to be prepared for teams to bunt against it in EVERY situation, no matter what the score.

A real man would bunt directly into the shift and dare them to throw him out.

I'm 100% in on Deadspin's take. The shift is a tactic used to increase the likelihood of an out. So you are trying to gain an advantage. So did the batter. Fuck those hosers.

Yeah, I'll listen to arguments against bunting (even against a shift in play) in the 9th inning of a no-hitter. I won't consider any argument against bunting against a shift any other time/situation than that basically. The batter isn't obligated to make the pitcher/defense's job easier.

degenerasian wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 2:20 pm Going to be a long season in Pittsburgh.
Taillon throwing a gem, 9 strikeouts over 5 and 1/3. First hint of trouble with a 5-1 lead he gets lifted. 3 pitchers later, it's still the 6th inning.

Zack Duke sighting.

brian wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 2:47 pm Yeah, I'll listen to arguments against bunting (even against a shift in play) in the 9th inning of a no-hitter. I won't consider any argument against bunting against a shift any other time/situation than that basically. The batter isn't obligated to make the pitcher/defense's job easier.

I don't think the # of hits (or lack thereof) matter at all. If the defense is giving away the left side of the infield? Sounds like a great way to break up a no hitter to me.

I'm not sure the unwritten rules of baseball could frown past the idiocy of a defensive alignment that gives hits away in the face of a no hitter.

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:19 pm

brian wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 2:47 pm Yeah, I'll listen to arguments against bunting (even against a shift in play) in the 9th inning of a no-hitter. I won't consider any argument against bunting against a shift any other time/situation than that basically. The batter isn't obligated to make the pitcher/defense's job easier.

I don't think the # of hits (or lack thereof) matter at all. If the defense is giving away the left side of the infield? Sounds like a great way to break up a no hitter to me.

I'm not sure the unwritten rules of baseball could frown past the idiocy of a defensive alignment that gives hits away in the face of a no hitter.

Yeah, I'm not going to argue that point just saying that as dumb as most of the "unwritten" rules of baseball are -- that one I somewhat get. I also think it's different (in the no-hitter situation) if it is a 1-0 game in the 9th vs. 10-0 as well.

If it's a one-hitter and you're complaining about guys bunting no matter what the score is then just fuck right off.

brian wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:23 pm

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:19 pm

brian wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 2:47 pm Yeah, I'll listen to arguments against bunting (even against a shift in play) in the 9th inning of a no-hitter. I won't consider any argument against bunting against a shift any other time/situation than that basically. The batter isn't obligated to make the pitcher/defense's job easier.

I don't think the # of hits (or lack thereof) matter at all. If the defense is giving away the left side of the infield? Sounds like a great way to break up a no hitter to me.

I'm not sure the unwritten rules of baseball could frown past the idiocy of a defensive alignment that gives hits away in the face of a no hitter.

Yeah, I'm not going to argue that point just saying that as dumb as most of the "unwritten" rules of baseball are -- that one I somewhat get. I also think it's different (in the no-hitter situation) if it is a 1-0 game in the 9th vs. 10-0 as well.

If it's a one-hitter and you're complaining about guys bunting no matter what the score is then just fuck right off.

Sure, but that's not quite the same thing as taking away half the field by stacking your position players on the preponderant side of the diamond though. To that I say, just bunt a hole through their misapplied logic. Cuz those unwritten rules weren't assumed when shifts were used the way they are today.

Yeah, fuck that shit. You want to shift that dramatically and leave me an entire side of the infield?

Fuck. You.

Not all unwritten rules in sports are bad... and when you get into sports etiquette at the youth level (boy, do I have stories) it's downright necessary to have unwritten rules.

But, I loved playing and used to love watching baseball... This type of stuff is just the worst. STFU, Twins. Insufferable pricks. Take your veteran leadership comment and shove it.

The only guy who can go 6 innings is Bartolo Colon

WTF his swing is getting prettier

Ryan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:39 am WTF his swing is getting prettier

Gonna hit 100 HRs playing half his games in Wrigley Field next year.

This Giants game is over.

Correa wastes no time responding to Gregorius...this MVP race is on

Ohtani just hit a 3 run bomb. Would have been a grand slam if not for a wild pitch that preceded it.

degenerasian wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:48 pm Ohtani just hit a 3 run bomb. Would have been a grand slam if not for a wild pitch that preceded it.

He just took Kluber deep to tie it at 2 in the 6th.

THis just might work.

He drifts forward big time which is fine if he can maintain a contact rate and possibly fatal for that side of the ball if they find a hole.

If he hits a walk off in extras he'll be a legend

mister d wrote: ↑Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:36 pm He drifts forward big time which is fine if he can maintain a contact rate and possibly fatal for that side of the ball if they find a hole.

So...looks a lot like ichiros swing no? So that’s maybe a product of the system. So Ichiro with more power and less speed probably is a good player, right? And he won’t be a 350 hitter most likely.

I mean, if you can hit .290 with 18-20 homers and also throw 130+ innings...

Yes ... but Ichiro is like top 5(?) hand-eye, pure hitter of the past ~50 years. His movement wasn't a positive, he was just able to negate it or make it part of the process by being an insane talent. I'm super curious to see Ohtani the first time he faces a 93+ left who has something that breaks away as well, because that certainly looks like it would kill him.

mister d wrote: ↑Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:37 pm Yes ... but Ichiro is like top 5(?) hand-eye, pure hitter of the past ~50 years. His movement wasn't a positive, he was just able to negate it or make it part of the process by being an insane talent. I'm super curious to see Ohtani the first time he faces a 93+ left who has something that breaks away as well, because that certainly looks like it would kill him.

Sure. But he doesn’t have to be ichiro as a hitter (a first ballot HOf) to be a plus player.

No, but I think there’s an all-or-nothing risk there. He can be really, really good if he’s anywhere near Ichiro or he can be a quad-A slugger who can destroy the mistakes from pitchers who can otherwise beat him most of the time.

mister d wrote: ↑Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:37 pm Yes ... but Ichiro is like top 5(?) hand-eye, pure hitter of the past ~50 years. His movement wasn't a positive, he was just able to negate it or make it part of the process by being an insane talent. I'm super curious to see Ohtani the first time he faces a 93+ left who has something that breaks away as well, because that certainly looks like it would kill him.

Doesn't that kill most lefties?

.241/.310/.372 L vs L last year. Like that’s not good, but it’s still able to hit 6th in Pittsburgh!!!

OtAni kept his weight back on the one he crushed to dead center last night.

I’m all in on otani