Am I the only guy here who watched/cared about Texans vs. Titans? because JJ looks like hes back to defensive MVP form. i think hes had 4.5 sacks abd 2 FF called back because of penalties this year or he would be running away with dmvp voting. he deserves it...hes fucking everywhere, terrorizing quarterbacks and playing elite run defense. him and clowney are a reallllly nice set of bookends. id rather have that 1-2 then anyone elses in the league period. Also watching a 97 yard Lamar Miller TD where he gashes the entire D and puts madden jukes on made my night
Re: NFL 2018 - Week 12
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:20 am
by Giff
I was so mad I turned to the Rockets game and missed the long TD. I'm starting to believe just a little bit that they could make some noise in the playoffs.
Re: NFL 2018 - Week 12
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:19 am
by Gunpowder
That team is a complete fraud and will be exposed sooner or later but Clowney and Watt absolutely are amazing.
Re: NFL 2018 - Week 12
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:47 am
by DSafetyGuy
Gunpowder wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:19 am
That team is a complete fraud and will be exposed sooner or later but Clowney and Watt absolutely are amazing.
It certainly did not hurt their chances that Vrabel all but gave up in the fourth quarter. The Titans got the ball down 34-17 midway through the fourth and was running on offensive style that seemed like the game had just started (hand off, not going uptempo).
Mariota went 22/23 for over 300 yards and it never it felt like the Titans could actually threaten the Texans. One blown coverage + one under thrown pass that enabled the two recovering defenders to take each other out = the lone big pass play of consequence. Four Mariota passes in the play-by-play are described as "deep", everything else is "short".
Re: NFL 2018 - Week 12
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:48 am
by Gunpowder
Well, the Titans have basically been the standard for fraudulence over the past few seasons. Would help if they had actual WRs, though. Davis is ok but for a top 5 pick he's not the guy you expect to carry your WR group.
Re: NFL 2018 - Week 12
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:11 am
by degenerasian
Gunpowder wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:19 am
That team is a complete fraud and will be exposed sooner or later but Clowney and Watt absolutely are amazing.
They have to win out and get the bye. If they're the 3rd or 4th seed they're dead because there is no way they're winning a wildcard game plus 2 games in a row at Arrowhead, Gillette or Heinz. Winning a home divisional game plus a road conference game is at least possible.
Schedule is easy the rest of the way,
Browns
Colts
@Jets
@ Eagles
Jaguars
Would be amazing to see a team start 0-3 and then win 13 in a row.
Re: NFL 2018 - Week 12
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:23 am
by brian
I think the AFC is going to be a lot more wide open than some people think. I think the Chiefs right now are a clear #1 and no one else is especially close to them. Texans absolutely could beat NE or Pittsburgh on the road, but they'd be underdogs and rightfully so. But the Patriots and Steelers are not close to unbeatable at home as they have been in past years. Both can get got by any team that will make the playoffs.
Gunpowder wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:19 am
That team is a complete fraud and will be exposed sooner or later but Clowney and Watt absolutely are amazing.
They have to win out and get the bye. If they're the 3rd or 4th seed they're dead because there is no way they're winning a wildcard game plus 2 games in a row at Arrowhead, Gillette or Heinz. Winning a home divisional game plus a road conference game is at least possible.
Schedule is easy the rest of the way,
Browns
Colts
@Jets
@ Eagles
Jaguars
Would be amazing to see a team start 0-3 and then win 13 in a row.
Gunpowder wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:19 am
That team is a complete fraud and will be exposed sooner or later but Clowney and Watt absolutely are amazing.
They have to win out and get the bye. If they're the 3rd or 4th seed they're dead because there is no way they're winning a wildcard game plus 2 games in a row at Arrowhead, Gillette or Heinz. Winning a home divisional game plus a road conference game is at least possible.
Schedule is easy the rest of the way,
Browns
Colts
@Jets
@ Eagles
Jaguars
Would be amazing to see a team start 0-3 and then win 13 in a row.
Reminiscent of the 1993 Oilers (won 11 in a row to end the season). Both will probably end by the hands of the Chiefs.
Re: NFL 2018 - Week 12
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:30 pm
by sancarlos
Is this the year that the Chiefs win a playoff game? How long has it been?
Re: NFL 2018 - Week 12
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:33 pm
by Giff
sancarlos wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:30 pm
Is this the year that the Chiefs win a playoff game? How long has it been?
No longer than 3 years. They destroyed the Texans in the 15-16 playoffs.
Re: NFL 2018 - Week 12
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:51 pm
by Gunpowder
brian wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:23 am
I think the AFC is going to be a lot more wide open than some people think. I think the Chiefs right now are a clear #1 and no one else is especially close to them. Texans absolutely could beat NE or Pittsburgh on the road, but they'd be underdogs and rightfully so. But the Patriots and Steelers are not close to unbeatable at home as they have been in past years. Both can get got by any team that will make the playoffs.
Steelers haven't been unbeatable at home in quite some time.
Re: NFL 2018 - Week 12
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:56 pm
by duff
I have watched only one half of one game combined all season of the Colts, but they are winning the AFC. Luck wins MVP, Comeback POY, and best beard.
Re: NFL 2018 - Week 12
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:59 pm
by degenerasian
Re: NFL 2018 - Week 12
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:59 pm
by Giff
duff wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:56 pm
I have watched only one half of one game combined all season of the Colts, but they are winning the AFC. Luck wins MVP, Comeback POY, and best beard.
This would be true except Frank Reich is going to have Luck killed going over the middle on a 3rd down.
duff wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:56 pm
I have watched only one half of one game combined all season of the Colts, but they are winning the AFC. Luck wins MVP, Comeback POY, and best beard.
This would be true except Frank Reich is going to have Luck killed going over the middle on a 3rd down.
From my in depth study of the team this year, I can say that ain't gonna happen. Luck is the best thing ever to happen to football this year. TY catching balls like never before. And with the reject of the Lions at TE, things are looking good. I also hear the defense is vastly underrated. Possible DROY at LB? Read a name somewhere, but I never saw the D play in my studying.
So I got two words for you, SUCK IT! *doing Degeneration X crotch chop* (yes, I still live via the Attitude Era WWF)
Re: NFL 2018 - Week 12
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:29 pm
by degenerasian
This mess all started because the Colts didn't punt in overtime.
Re: NFL 2018 - Week 12
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:29 pm
by Rush2112
I hope the Texans break these out again.
Re: NFL 2018 - Week 12
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:01 pm
by Giff
LOL such dumb shit.
Re: NFL 2018 - Week 12
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:08 pm
by sancarlos
How much playing time does it take to earn your letter in the NFL?
Re: NFL 2018 - Week 12
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:13 pm
by Rush2112
Re: NFL 2018 - Week 12
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:57 pm
by DSafetyGuy
Gunpowder wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:48 am
Well, the Titans have basically been the standard for fraudulence over the past few seasons. Would help if they had actual WRs, though. Davis is ok but for a top 5 pick he's not the guy you expect to carry your WR group.
I agree about the sub-standard WR group.
Part of it stems from feels like every summer, there is a barrage of articles about how Mariota is gonna be great this season, and then he's still just mediocre in a league that perpetually becomes more pass-friendly than the year before. (I'm sure it's a symptom of how almost every QB is either blown up to be amazing or torn down as garbage with few joining Andy Dalton in the middle.) It's a terrible stat, but he's currently got a 95.6 passer rating, which would have been pretty mind-blowing during the childhood of any Swamper, but is good enough for 19th.
Re: NFL 2018 - Week 12
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:05 pm
by sancarlos
DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:57 pm It's a terrible stat, but he's currently got a 95.6 passer rating, which would have been pretty mind-blowing during the childhood of any Swamper, but is good enough for 19th.
To your point, I recently read the memoir of Dr. Z, Paul Zimmerman, and he raged on for awhile about what a terrible stat is passer rating. He noted how passer rating rewards dink-and-dunk completions of short passes, but argued that the risk-taking longer passes that led to touchdowns and winning games were not adequately rewarded.
Gunpowder wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:19 am
That team is a complete fraud and will be exposed sooner or later but Clowney and Watt absolutely are amazing.
i like 95% agree with you except that watson is the truth and so is hop. clowney and watt and mathieu are probowl caliber. covington is good bjt not probowl, and justin reid has been really good as a rookie. DT helps too. The oline is fuckawful, CB's are suspect and the linebackers fucking suck. any team with a decent tight end is going to light us up. The chiefs and patriots always kill us with Kelce and Gronk because they are all pass-rush linebackers. lots of sacks, no coverage. i think we go in as a three seed and win game one and lose a close game 2.
by the way, obrien has the oddest duality of any coach ive ever seen. they did a piece yesterdaydiscussing his chances for coach of the year, and i have to admit you can make an arguement...but you can also make an arguement after literally every game that he should be immediately fired. its odd
DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:57 pm It's a terrible stat, but he's currently got a 95.6 passer rating, which would have been pretty mind-blowing during the childhood of any Swamper, but is good enough for 19th.
To your point, I recently read the memoir of Dr. Z, Paul Zimmerman, and he raged on for awhile about what a terrible stat is passer rating. He noted how passer rating rewards dink-and-dunk completions of short passes, but argued that the risk-taking longer passes that led to touchdowns and winning games were not adequately rewarded.
Is that really true though? If your risk-taking results in a bunch of interceptions, you shouldn't be rewarded.
It's not great but it's not terrible, IMO. My biggest problem with it is that garbage time stats inflate it, which goes for just about anything.
Re: NFL 2018 - Week 12
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:41 am
by DSafetyGuy
TT2.0 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:18 pmby the way, obrien has the oddest duality of any coach ive ever seen. they did a piece yesterdaydiscussing his chances for coach of the year, and i have to admit you can make an arguement...but you can also make an arguement after literally every game that he should be immediately fired. its odd
This is one of the things about coaching that gets to me, kind of related to my comment about Vance Joseph upthread. If the Broncos finish out strong and squeak into the last playoff spot (@ CIN, @ SF, CLE, @OAK, LAC), he'll undoubtedly save his job and the narrative will be flipped by "finishing strong". They could end up 10-6 with a seven-game win streak (the Chargers could have the #5 seed locked going into Week 17 and sit Rivers and a couple other guys).
No one will remember how the Chargers gifted them a win and they barely beat the Steelers in a game where they gave up 527 yards and got two turnovers when they should have given up touchdowns. Dumb stuff like that overshadows coaching mistakes like poor clock management and time out usage.
Gunpowder wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:19 am
That team is a complete fraud and will be exposed sooner or later but Clowney and Watt absolutely are amazing.
i like 95% agree with you except that watson is the truth and so is hop. clowney and watt and mathieu are probowl caliber. covington is good bjt not probowl, and justin reid has been really good as a rookie. DT helps too. The oline is fuckawful, CB's are suspect and the linebackers fucking suck. any team with a decent tight end is going to light us up. The chiefs and patriots always kill us with Kelce and Gronk because they are all pass-rush linebackers. lots of sacks, no coverage. i think we go in as a three seed and win game one and lose a close game 2.
by the way, obrien has the oddest duality of any coach ive ever seen. they did a piece yesterdaydiscussing his chances for coach of the year, and i have to admit you can make an arguement...but you can also make an arguement after literally every game that he should be immediately fired. its odd
He's definitely improved but I'm still a bit leery of his inaccuracy. I do like though that he throws the ball at DeAndre Hopkins a lot, which is what Texans QBs should have been doing more of before he got there. When he's on he's incredible. I mean, you can win that way (Roethlisberger for one) but it's not ideal.
No team quits like a Bill O'Brien team so I'd still lean toward moving on from him but he's put in a good offense for Watson and you'd be surprised how many teams are too dumb to do things like that.
TT2.0 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:18 pmby the way, obrien has the oddest duality of any coach ive ever seen. they did a piece yesterdaydiscussing his chances for coach of the year, and i have to admit you can make an arguement...but you can also make an arguement after literally every game that he should be immediately fired. its odd
This is one of the things about coaching that gets to me, kind of related to my comment about Vance Joseph upthread. If the Broncos finish out strong and squeak into the last playoff spot (@ CIN, @ SF, CLE, @OAK, LAC), he'll undoubtedly save his job and the narrative will be flipped by "finishing strong". They could end up 10-6 with a seven-game win streak (the Chargers could have the #5 seed locked going into Week 17 and sit Rivers and a couple other guys).
No one will remember how the Chargers gifted them a win and they barely beat the Steelers in a game where they gave up 527 yards and got two turnovers when they should have given up touchdowns. Dumb stuff like that overshadows coaching mistakes like poor clock management and time out usage.
DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:57 pm It's a terrible stat, but he's currently got a 95.6 passer rating, which would have been pretty mind-blowing during the childhood of any Swamper, but is good enough for 19th.
To your point, I recently read the memoir of Dr. Z, Paul Zimmerman, and he raged on for awhile about what a terrible stat is passer rating. He noted how passer rating rewards dink-and-dunk completions of short passes, but argued that the risk-taking longer passes that led to touchdowns and winning games were not adequately rewarded.
Is that really true though? If your risk-taking results in a bunch of interceptions, you shouldn't be rewarded.
It's not great but it's not terrible, IMO. My biggest problem with it is that garbage time stats inflate it, which goes for just about anything.
I think the problem lies in how the stat has remained the same while the passing game has evolved from an emphasis on higher-risk downfield passing to being an extension of the run game with a focus on screens, slants, and shallow crossers. There's no adjustment for era.
Re: NFL 2018 - Week 12
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:50 am
by Pruitt
Gunpowder wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:19 am
That team is a complete fraud and will be exposed sooner or later but Clowney and Watt absolutely are amazing.
Their win against Peterman and the Bills was disgusting.
DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:57 pm It's a terrible stat, but he's currently got a 95.6 passer rating, which would have been pretty mind-blowing during the childhood of any Swamper, but is good enough for 19th.
To your point, I recently read the memoir of Dr. Z, Paul Zimmerman, and he raged on for awhile about what a terrible stat is passer rating. He noted how passer rating rewards dink-and-dunk completions of short passes, but argued that the risk-taking longer passes that led to touchdowns and winning games were not adequately rewarded.
Is that really true though? If your risk-taking results in a bunch of interceptions, you shouldn't be rewarded.
It's not great but it's not terrible, IMO. My biggest problem with it is that garbage time stats inflate it, which goes for just about anything.
I think the problem lies in how the stat has remained the same while the passing game has evolved from an emphasis on higher-risk downfield passing to being an extension of the run game with a focus on screens, slants, and shallow crossers. There's no adjustment for era.
I think it’s easy enough to tell that a 95 or even 100 passer rating isn’t what it used to be. But I don’t agree with the premise that downfield “risk-taking” leads to wins. The Patriots have won a shit load of games the last few years with a passing game based on Brady throwing 8 yard option routes to Edelman and dumpoffs to James White. I think being accurate up to 20 yards is a lot more important in today’s NFL than being able to launch the ball downfield like Terry Bradshaw or Brett Favre.
DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:57 pm It's a terrible stat, but he's currently got a 95.6 passer rating, which would have been pretty mind-blowing during the childhood of any Swamper, but is good enough for 19th.
To your point, I recently read the memoir of Dr. Z, Paul Zimmerman, and he raged on for awhile about what a terrible stat is passer rating. He noted how passer rating rewards dink-and-dunk completions of short passes, but argued that the risk-taking longer passes that led to touchdowns and winning games were not adequately rewarded.
Is that really true though? If your risk-taking results in a bunch of interceptions, you shouldn't be rewarded.
It's not great but it's not terrible, IMO. My biggest problem with it is that garbage time stats inflate it, which goes for just about anything.
I think the problem lies in how the stat has remained the same while the passing game has evolved from an emphasis on higher-risk downfield passing to being an extension of the run game with a focus on screens, slants, and shallow crossers. There's no adjustment for era.
But that applies to everything. Just compare current players with it.
Basically when you compare across eras the best way (IMO) is to compare players against their peers. Dan Fouts' numbers are nothing special today but compared to other QBs back in the late 70s and early 80s, they were mindblowing. That's how I look at it.
Re: NFL 2018 - Week 12
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:20 am
by Gunpowder
Passer rating can be hurt by downfield throws if you aren't hitting enough of them but really it's a measure of decision-making and efficiency. If you dink and dunk like Derek Carr, your rating is going to suck because you aren't throwing for a high yards/attempt and you are throwing a lot of throws without getting TDs. TDs are an actual measure in passer rating, which is kinda dumb, but it goes counter to whatever Dr. Z was saying at quick glance.
Gunpowder wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:19 am
That team is a complete fraud and will be exposed sooner or later but Clowney and Watt absolutely are amazing.
Their win against Peterman and the Bills was disgusting.
That was bad "throw at the feet" Watson. But on the other end of the spectrum, he'll play the Colts and just dice them up. It's awesome to have Hopkins but that's the only piece he has that isn't below average.
