The Swamp

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:10 pm**

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:06 pm
govmentchedda wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:16 pm Blue wave coming. Book it.
I said this when the majority opinion was "leaked" and feel so even more today. When you combine this decision with what the J6 (and eventually the DoJ uncovers and reports/indicts... The usual malaise that keeps the "ruling party" at home in midterms is not only nullified, it's going to massively increase turnout.

Young voters are pissed, and that's a huge block that tends to stay home in midterm elections.

If there isn't a blue wave this time, there never will be. All the pieces are there.

Or is this a team that can get close the championship but can't finish? Blow it all up and let AOC lead the new team?

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:13 pm**

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:06 pm
govmentchedda wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:16 pm Blue wave coming. Book it.
I said this when the majority opinion was "leaked" and feel so even more today. When you combine this decision with what the J6 (and eventually the DoJ uncovers and reports/indicts... The usual malaise that keeps the "ruling party" at home in midterms is not only nullified, it's going to massively increase turnout.

Young voters are pissed, and that's a huge block that tends to stay home in midterm elections.

I was viewing this take as overly optimistic, but when I saw a link to Dave Portnoy going on Twitter and ranting that we need to vote for incompetent moron Dems to protect our Rights from Republicans...maybe there is something to it? I thought he was an alt-Right hero. Hell, Gym Jordan brought him up to Goodell in the NFL hearings this week. I can't stand the guy, but I found this strangely uplifting.

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:14 pm**

Call me a cynic, but the New Mexico State Supreme Court had to intervene in confirming the Republican *primary* winner in Otero County because of conspiracy theory bullshit.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-me ... 022-06-15/

So I see that being our norm in November if a Democrat wins in a particular area whether it's close or not.

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:21 pm**

degenerasian wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:10 pm
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:06 pm
govmentchedda wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:16 pm Blue wave coming. Book it.
I said this when the majority opinion was "leaked" and feel so even more today. When you combine this decision with what the J6 (and eventually the DoJ uncovers and reports/indicts... The usual malaise that keeps the "ruling party" at home in midterms is not only nullified, it's going to massively increase turnout.

Young voters are pissed, and that's a huge block that tends to stay home in midterm elections.
If there isn't a blue wave this time, there never will be. All the pieces are there.

Or is this a team that can get close the championship but can't finish? Blow it all up and let AOC lead the new team?

OTOH, all the pieces are in place for a Red Wave. Horrible inflation, Party holding Presidency almost always loses seats in the House and Senate, wildly unpopular President, Party leadership is villainized by the GOP and hated even more by the vocal wing of the Party... I think this energizes the Right and turns off a lot of Dem voters because they see the Party in power with major losses to the minority Party. Sure, the Right controls the Court, and the Dems don't have a large enough majority to accomplish anything in the face of an obstructionist minority Party, but as we can see from Mister D's posts, most people think the Dems should be able to do whatever they want since they have a majority, but until the filibuster is eliminated, 41 obstructionist Senators can block everything.

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:22 pm**

Johnnie wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:14 pm Call me a cynic, but the New Mexico State Supreme Court had to intervene in confirming the Republican *primary* winner in Otero County because of conspiracy theory bullshit.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-me ... 022-06-15/

So I see that being our norm in November if a Democrat wins in a particular area whether it's close or not.

Yes, and what scares me is all the money the GOP is spending on Big Lie candidates running for election boards, State AGs and other positions that control state and local elections. They can easily steal elections if they get in.

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:37 pm**

"HiStORy WiLl NoT Be KiNd To RePuBLiCaNs."

- Democrats who fail to understand who writes history.

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:50 pm**

Johnnie wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:37 pm "HiStORy WiLl NoT Be KiNd To RePuBLiCaNs."

- Democrats who fail to understand who writes history.

Regardless of who wins in the short term, I think history will not be kind to today's Republicans, but they won't give a fuck because they are playing for power and money today. Can anyone say they think Ted Cruz gives a fuck about his legacy? He will say and do absolutely anything to be President. He has no shame and will double down on anything, no matter how bad it looks, if it will get him a vote.

(I'm not convinced Cruz isn't an alien pretending to be human)

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:53 pm**

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:16 pm Blue wave coming. Book it.

I always thought that the GOP playbook was going to be to eat away at Roe v. Wade enough that Texas and the like could pass their basically banning abortion laws but keeping RvW so that they had that single-issue voter firmly in their pocket. Are there enough extra single-issue voters on the other side to cause a wave?

Polls seem to indicate that a majority of people support the right to an abortion, but is that enough to vote for a (perceived or actual) do-nothing Congressman?

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:03 pm**

Johnnie wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:37 pm "HiStORy WiLl NoT Be KiNd To RePuBLiCaNs."

- Democrats who fail to understand who writes history.

Brilliant.

My million dollar idea is to create a modern Underground Railroad for women who are seeking abortions. Going to be a lot of happy clinic owners in Mexico, that's for sure.

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:08 pm**

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:06 pm
govmentchedda wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:16 pm Blue wave coming. Book it.
I said this when the majority opinion was "leaked" and feel so even more today. When you combine this decision with what the J6 (and eventually the DoJ uncovers and reports/indicts... The usual malaise that keeps the "ruling party" at home in midterms is not only nullified, it's going to massively increase turnout.

Young voters are pissed, and that's a huge block that tends to stay home in midterm elections.

But..but… Gas prices!…Inflation!…Stock market!…Your guns!…

I wish I was as optimistic as you guys.

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:35 pm**

sancarlos wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:08 pm
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:06 pm
govmentchedda wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:16 pm Blue wave coming. Book it.
I said this when the majority opinion was "leaked" and feel so even more today. When you combine this decision with what the J6 (and eventually the DoJ uncovers and reports/indicts... The usual malaise that keeps the "ruling party" at home in midterms is not only nullified, it's going to massively increase turnout.

Young voters are pissed, and that's a huge block that tends to stay home in midterm elections.
But..but… Gas prices!…Inflation!…Stock market!…Your guns!…

I wish I was as optimistic as you guys.

It really is the gerrymandering and the electoral college that keeps these assholes in positions of power.

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:05 pm**

Rush2112 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:53 pmI always thought that the GOP playbook was going to be to eat away at Roe v. Wade enough that Texas and the like could pass their basically banning abortion laws but keeping RvW so that they had that single-issue voter firmly in their pocket.

Which either means they’ve lost the plot or they believe they’ve insulated themselves from backlash one way or another.

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:21 pm**

mister d wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:05 pm
Rush2112 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:53 pmI always thought that the GOP playbook was going to be to eat away at Roe v. Wade enough that Texas and the like could pass their basically banning abortion laws but keeping RvW so that they had that single-issue voter firmly in their pocket.
Which either means they’ve lost the plot or they believe they’ve insulated themselves from backlash one way or another.

Or they know the Democrats won't do anything about it. Judging by the speeches and actions so far, they might be right.

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:34 pm**

degenerasian wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:21 pm
mister d wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:05 pm
Rush2112 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:53 pmI always thought that the GOP playbook was going to be to eat away at Roe v. Wade enough that Texas and the like could pass their basically banning abortion laws but keeping RvW so that they had that single-issue voter firmly in their pocket.
Which either means they’ve lost the plot or they believe they’ve insulated themselves from backlash one way or another.
Or they know the Democrats won't do anything about it. Judging by the speeches and actions so far, they might be right.

Unless they win more seats, the Dems can't do anything right now. I don't understand what you think the Dems could or should do. The House could possibly send a Bill to the Senate codifying Rowe, and the Republicans in the Senate would refuse to vote on it. Beyond that, what can they do? I think abstaining from singing on the steps of the Capitol would have been advisable, but there is nothing they can do. The only way around this is winning 60 seats, or enough Dem Senators to kill the filibuster and retaining the House.

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:38 pm**

The Sybian wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:34 pm
degenerasian wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:21 pm
mister d wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:05 pm
Rush2112 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:53 pmI always thought that the GOP playbook was going to be to eat away at Roe v. Wade enough that Texas and the like could pass their basically banning abortion laws but keeping RvW so that they had that single-issue voter firmly in their pocket.
Which either means they’ve lost the plot or they believe they’ve insulated themselves from backlash one way or another.
Or they know the Democrats won't do anything about it. Judging by the speeches and actions so far, they might be right.
Unless they win more seats, the Dems can't do anything right now. I don't understand what you think the Dems could or should do. The House could possibly send a Bill to the Senate codifying Rowe, and the Republicans in the Senate would refuse to vote on it. Beyond that, what can they do? I think abstaining from singing on the steps of the Capitol would have been advisable, but there is nothing they can do. The only way around this is winning 60 seats, or enough Dem Senators to kill the filibuster and retaining the House.

That's right. Keep sending bills to the senate, get Republican senators on the record rejecting it, put it on the news. It's all about messaging.. GOP has been doing it 40 years.

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:20 pm**

The Sybian wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:13 pmI was viewing this take as overly optimistic, but when I saw a link to Dave Portnoy going on Twitter and ranting that we need to vote for incompetent moron Dems to protect our Rights from Republicans...maybe there is something to it? I thought he was an alt-Right hero. Hell, Gym Jordan brought him up to Goodell in the NFL hearings this week. I can't stand the guy, but I found this strangely uplifting.

Can't imagine why someone like him would want women to have access to abortions.

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:27 pm**

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:38 pm**

DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:20 pm
The Sybian wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:13 pmI was viewing this take as overly optimistic, but when I saw a link to Dave Portnoy going on Twitter and ranting that we need to vote for incompetent moron Dems to protect our Rights from Republicans...maybe there is something to it? I thought he was an alt-Right hero. Hell, Gym Jordan brought him up to Goodell in the NFL hearings this week. I can't stand the guy, but I found this strangely uplifting.
Can't imagine why someone like him would want women to have access to abortions.

I'm picturing a large glass bowl by his front door filled with slips of paper with his Planned Parenthood account number so girls can grab one on the way out as they leave, crying with mascara running down their face.

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:40 pm**

degenerasian wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:21 pm
mister d wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:05 pm
Rush2112 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:53 pmI always thought that the GOP playbook was going to be to eat away at Roe v. Wade enough that Texas and the like could pass their basically banning abortion laws but keeping RvW so that they had that single-issue voter firmly in their pocket.
Which either means they’ve lost the plot or they believe they’ve insulated themselves from backlash one way or another.
Or they know the Democrats won't do anything about it. Judging by the speeches and actions so far, they might be right.

Great, so they waste time drafting and voting on Bills that will never get passed and everyone kills them for ignoring all of the myriad of problems they should be addressing.

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:24 pm**

… which they also aren’t addressing under the cover of “what can they actually do!” and over and over …

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:26 pm**

God Bless America.

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:38 pm**

mister d wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:24 pm … which they also aren’t addressing under the cover of “what can they actually do!” and over and over …

What they need to do is publicize the Bills they draft that would have broad appeal (like limiting the oil companies from extortionary profits) that the GOP refuse to vote for. They put that Bill in front of the Senate, the GOP votes against it, and somehow the GOP win the day because most people blame Biden and Dems for high gas prices. Biden weakly blaming it on Russia wasn't convincing anyone. It's just astounding how bad the Dems are at pushing media narratives and how the GOP frame every issue and pin the blame for all problems on Dems. And when that doesn't work, the Right invents a new culture war or invasion of immigrants to scare the sheep into hating the Dems. I think replacing Pelosi and Shumer is the first step, because let's get real, who is motivated by anything they say?

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:41 pm**

Corporate donors.

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:26 pm**

From an Alberta point of view, it's hard to blame Russia for high oil prices when the first thing you did in office (day 1) was cancelling Keystone XL and banning all American new oil and gas leases. For what? A green new deal? And now he has to go to the Saudis?

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:34 pm**

degenerasian wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:26 pm From an Alberta point of view, it's hard to blame Russia for high oil prices when the first thing you did in office (day 1) was cancelling Keystone XL and banning all American new oil and gas leases. For what? A green new deal? And now he has to go to the Saudis?

The green new deal never came close to becoming law.
There are over 9,000 approved, unused oil leases available for drilling. LINK
Crude oil prices were higher in 2008, but oil company profits were much lower. LINK LINK

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:00 pm**

Please point me to the study that that pipeline would've conclusively and empirically reduced gas prices.

Oil companies are not reducing the price because they've been burned before and aren't giving a fuck. Gasoline has demand inelasticity. They're taking advantage.

Remember when oil barrels went negative at the beginning of the pandemic and gas was $1.60 a gallon because no one was going anywhere?

C'mon, man.

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:04 pm**

degenerasian wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:26 pm From an Alberta point of view, it's hard to blame Russia for high oil prices when the first thing you did in office (day 1) was cancelling Keystone XL and banning all American new oil and gas leases. For what? A green new deal? And now he has to go to the Saudis?

Blaming it on Keystone is infuriating for so many reasons. The oil that would have gone through the pipeline isn’t suitable for gasoline, the oil is still shipped, but by train. There are over 9000 unused drilling leases on public land, yet oil companies are choosing not to drill. And even if Biden did grant a new drilling lease, it’d take 5 years for that oil to hit the market as gasoline. And Biden’s lease moratorium is only on public land, new wells can be dug on private land. But sure, fucking blame Biden for all of that.

I don’t mean to yell at you, I’m just sick of hearing this argument because it’s GOP lies that have become common wisdom. The truth is, oil companies are unnecessarily jacking up prices and it’s pure profit, and the GOP voted down a law to prevent this, because they want to fuck over Americans and blame Biden rather than do their fucking job and help the people they are supposed to fucking serve! And then they say, “see, government doesn’t work, so we should privatize everything and hand it over to my donors who will hire me at 100x a normal rate when I leave office.”

Posted: **Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:56 pm**

I said it was from an Alberta point of view. We lost out. We lost a 1.5 billion dollar gamble.

Posted: **Sat Jun 25, 2022 5:59 am**

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Posted: **Sat Jun 25, 2022 7:48 am**

About to read me some legal opinion. Coffee and donuts. Almost as good as an actual newspaper. Somehow this is all you do in school and nothing you do in practice. Gonna start with Mr. Thomas concurring opinion. Pretty sick outcome but on first glance legally not far off. Fwiw law school theory acknowledges substantive due process is legal fiction. Let's see in a hour or two.

Posted: **Sat Jun 25, 2022 8:08 am**

10 mins in and all I can think is why do finance lawyers need a law license?

Posted: **Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:42 am**

The Sybian wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:04 pm
degenerasian wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:26 pm From an Alberta point of view, it's hard to blame Russia for high oil prices when the first thing you did in office (day 1) was cancelling Keystone XL and banning all American new oil and gas leases. For what? A green new deal? And now he has to go to the Saudis?
Blaming it on Keystone is infuriating for so many reasons. The oil that would have gone through the pipeline isn’t suitable for gasoline, the oil is still shipped, but by train. There are over 9000 unused drilling leases on public land, yet oil companies are choosing not to drill. And even if Biden did grant a new drilling lease, it’d take 5 years for that oil to hit the market as gasoline. And Biden’s lease moratorium is only on public land, new wells can be dug on private land. But sure, fucking blame Biden for all of that.

I don’t mean to yell at you, I’m just sick of hearing this argument because it’s GOP lies that have become common wisdom. The truth is, oil companies are unnecessarily jacking up prices and it’s pure profit, and the GOP voted down a law to prevent this, because they want to fuck over Americans and blame Biden rather than do their fucking job and help the people they are supposed to fucking serve! And then they say, “see, government doesn’t work, so we should privatize everything and hand it over to my donors who will hire me at 100x a normal rate when I leave office.”

Yeah I don't understand why people think oil companies would "drill more!" to dilute their own market. The US exports more oil than it imports.

Posted: **Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:37 am**

Posted: **Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:54 am**

Eventually the only "freedoms" we'll have left are the freedom to have light, plastic straws and old lightbulbs.

Posted: **Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:27 am**

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:54 am Eventually the only "freedoms" we'll have left are the freedom to have light, plastic straws and old lightbulbs.

Guns! You forgot guns!

Posted: **Sat Jun 25, 2022 1:55 pm**

With you but at least the word arms is actually used...

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Posted: **Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:04 pm**

As per usual, the Onion is winning.

Posted: **Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:23 pm**

sancarlos wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:45 pm

I think his point is Brown overturned Plessy, so if Obama doesn’t think the Court can overturn precedence, we would still have Plessy (separate but equal, allowing segregation). What Cornyn misses is that the Dobb’s Court overturned a case to take away rights, which has never happened before.

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