Re: Economic Blackout (Feb. 28)
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 10:56 am
it's not even about tanking anything per se, it's more about depriving funds to the systems that funnel them to the bad guys
It's the sixth version of The Swamp. What could possibly go wrong?
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Does it have to be either or?P.D.X. wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 11:15 am you don't think changing spending habits for more than a day would be more powerful?
This. And this gets to the concern I raised way earlier. It can be counterproductive to make a move that says "fear my power" if your power is weak.mister d wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 11:11 am Yes? You're telling Target or whoever to reverse what they did, threatening others what will happen if they do it and rewarding the places that haven't. Pretty much the only power we have right now.
Sure, but I wouldn't say that makes a one day act "silly". Any level of organization at this stage is a positive.P.D.X. wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 11:15 amyou don't think changing spending habits for more than a day would be more powerful?
Meant to say that I respect this action. I learned something from my one day boycott.DSafetyGuy wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 8:26 am400+ people at the Tesla Takedown protest at the only dealership in the area yesterday, the first one in the area, including me. I could see people already lined up from over half a mile away when I turned on the street about five minutes before the official start time. At its peak, the police closed an entrance to a shopping center (one of several) for safety reasons due to the line of protestors stretching about one-fifth of a mile. Lots of people driving by with support of honking/waving/thumbs up, etc. I counted 20 people who gave a middle finger salute over the two hours, as well as a couple other advertised opposing opinions.Steve of phpBB wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 5:21 pmI guess I should have been less narrow - my fear is that it will show that only a tiny number of people are going to act. That involves both difficulty reaching people and then those people being willing to do something noticeable.The Sybian wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 5:03 pmNot sure how much you can take from the numbers acting, because if it wasn’t for this thread, I wouldn’t have known about it.Steve of phpBB wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 4:25 pmMy fear is that it will show that only a tiny number of people are willing to act.DSafetyGuy wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 4:22 pmI think it shows that people are willing to act, which is better than the usual state of our world where posting is civil disobedience.
Before I went, my wife told me she had talked with our daughter about me going. She said she was laughing during the conversation and our daughter asked if she was laughing at me. My wife explained that she was proud of me for going, especially because I was setting aside much of myself to go, specifically that I was willing to go surround myself with a bunch of strangers in spite of the fact that I generally hate people.
Regarding what I bolded: More people will act if you act.
Thanks. Probably going again soon.HaulCitgo wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 11:19 pmMeant to say that I respect this action. I learned something from my one day boycott.DSafetyGuy wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 8:26 am400+ people at the Tesla Takedown protest at the only dealership in the area yesterday, the first one in the area, including me. I could see people already lined up from over half a mile away when I turned on the street about five minutes before the official start time. At its peak, the police closed an entrance to a shopping center (one of several) for safety reasons due to the line of protestors stretching about one-fifth of a mile. Lots of people driving by with support of honking/waving/thumbs up, etc. I counted 20 people who gave a middle finger salute over the two hours, as well as a couple other advertised opposing opinions.
Before I went, my wife told me she had talked with our daughter about me going. She said she was laughing during the conversation and our daughter asked if she was laughing at me. My wife explained that she was proud of me for going, especially because I was setting aside much of myself to go, specifically that I was willing to go surround myself with a bunch of strangers in spite of the fact that I generally hate people.
Regarding what I bolded: More people will act if you act.
It's probably best to leave your phone at home. Or power it down. Also, if it comes to it, they cannot force you to provide your unlock code for your phone, but they can compel you to unlock using biometrics. I think the chances of that mattering to any of us are very slim, but be forewarned.DSafetyGuy wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 8:27 amThanks. Probably going again soon.HaulCitgo wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 11:19 pmMeant to say that I respect this action. I learned something from my one day boycott.DSafetyGuy wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 8:26 am400+ people at the Tesla Takedown protest at the only dealership in the area yesterday, the first one in the area, including me. I could see people already lined up from over half a mile away when I turned on the street about five minutes before the official start time. At its peak, the police closed an entrance to a shopping center (one of several) for safety reasons due to the line of protestors stretching about one-fifth of a mile. Lots of people driving by with support of honking/waving/thumbs up, etc. I counted 20 people who gave a middle finger salute over the two hours, as well as a couple other advertised opposing opinions.
Before I went, my wife told me she had talked with our daughter about me going. She said she was laughing during the conversation and our daughter asked if she was laughing at me. My wife explained that she was proud of me for going, especially because I was setting aside much of myself to go, specifically that I was willing to go surround myself with a bunch of strangers in spite of the fact that I generally hate people.
Regarding what I bolded: More people will act if you act.
A piece of advice if any of you are considering something like this: nondescript hat/mask/sunglasses and the plainest clothes you have. With claims that vandalizing Teslas (and not other cars) is "domestic terrorism", protect yourself. And explain to others that they should, as well.
Unfortunately. I think we are beyond "what they are allowed to do." If they can send people to El Salvadoran torture camps without due process in direct defiance of a court order, they can make you open your phone. You can try to sue, but good luck getting a lawyer to represent you since the Regime is attacking lawyers defending people's civil rights. And even if you win a judgment, who is going to enforce it? All Executive agencies are now loyal to the dictator over the Constitution or laws.Steve of phpBB wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 11:38 amIt's probably best to leave your phone at home. Or power it down. Also, if it comes to it, they cannot force you to provide your unlock code for your phone, but they can compel you to unlock using biometrics. I think the chances of that mattering to any of us are very slim, but be forewarned.DSafetyGuy wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 8:27 amThanks. Probably going again soon.HaulCitgo wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 11:19 pmMeant to say that I respect this action. I learned something from my one day boycott.DSafetyGuy wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 8:26 am400+ people at the Tesla Takedown protest at the only dealership in the area yesterday, the first one in the area, including me. I could see people already lined up from over half a mile away when I turned on the street about five minutes before the official start time. At its peak, the police closed an entrance to a shopping center (one of several) for safety reasons due to the line of protestors stretching about one-fifth of a mile. Lots of people driving by with support of honking/waving/thumbs up, etc. I counted 20 people who gave a middle finger salute over the two hours, as well as a couple other advertised opposing opinions.
Before I went, my wife told me she had talked with our daughter about me going. She said she was laughing during the conversation and our daughter asked if she was laughing at me. My wife explained that she was proud of me for going, especially because I was setting aside much of myself to go, specifically that I was willing to go surround myself with a bunch of strangers in spite of the fact that I generally hate people.
Regarding what I bolded: More people will act if you act.
A piece of advice if any of you are considering something like this: nondescript hat/mask/sunglasses and the plainest clothes you have. With claims that vandalizing Teslas (and not other cars) is "domestic terrorism", protect yourself. And explain to others that they should, as well.
I think we're disconnecting here. If your phone needs a code to open, they can demand that you key it in or tell them, but they cannot exactly "force" you to do it. And you would not need to sue; it would be them suing to get an order compelling you to give the code.The Sybian wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:36 pmUnfortunately. I think we are beyond "what they are allowed to do." If they can send people to El Salvadoran torture camps without due process in direct defiance of a court order, they can make you open your phone. You can try to sue, but good luck getting a lawyer to represent you since the Regime is attacking lawyers defending people's civil rights. And even if you win a judgment, who is going to enforce it? All Executive agencies are now loyal to the dictator over the Constitution or laws.Steve of phpBB wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 11:38 amIt's probably best to leave your phone at home. Or power it down. Also, if it comes to it, they cannot force you to provide your unlock code for your phone, but they can compel you to unlock using biometrics. I think the chances of that mattering to any of us are very slim, but be forewarned.DSafetyGuy wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 8:27 amThanks. Probably going again soon.HaulCitgo wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 11:19 pmMeant to say that I respect this action. I learned something from my one day boycott.DSafetyGuy wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 8:26 am400+ people at the Tesla Takedown protest at the only dealership in the area yesterday, the first one in the area, including me. I could see people already lined up from over half a mile away when I turned on the street about five minutes before the official start time. At its peak, the police closed an entrance to a shopping center (one of several) for safety reasons due to the line of protestors stretching about one-fifth of a mile. Lots of people driving by with support of honking/waving/thumbs up, etc. I counted 20 people who gave a middle finger salute over the two hours, as well as a couple other advertised opposing opinions.
Before I went, my wife told me she had talked with our daughter about me going. She said she was laughing during the conversation and our daughter asked if she was laughing at me. My wife explained that she was proud of me for going, especially because I was setting aside much of myself to go, specifically that I was willing to go surround myself with a bunch of strangers in spite of the fact that I generally hate people.
Regarding what I bolded: More people will act if you act.
A piece of advice if any of you are considering something like this: nondescript hat/mask/sunglasses and the plainest clothes you have. With claims that vandalizing Teslas (and not other cars) is "domestic terrorism", protect yourself. And explain to others that they should, as well.
I was thinking more of federal agents or the FBI. And to answer PDX, Trump and Bondi have labeled Tesla protesters as terrorists (much like Tren de Aragua) and are saying they will treat them as terrorists. Not a far step to declare a Tesla protester as a terrorists and declare they don't deserve due process. We aren't there yet, but what is stopping them? Fun side note, since Tesla protests are labeled as terrorism, the US government is paying Tesla for damaged vehicles under some post-9/11 law to help insurance companies with claims due to 9/11.Steve of phpBB wrote: Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:47 pm
I think we're disconnecting here. If your phone needs a code to open, they can demand that you key it in or tell them, but they cannot exactly "force" you to do it. And you would not need to sue; it would be them suing to get an order compelling you to give the code.
As a practical matter, the cops could always threaten you or physically beat you if you refuse. I doubt they'd go that far against rich white guys who were just at a protest, but who knows.
Apparently Black ministers and leaders have been pushing a boycott in response to Target giving up its DEI initiative.The Sybian wrote: Wed Apr 02, 2025 9:53 am A couple weeks ago I saw something on social media about boycotting Target. I wasn't sure why, so I read the comments. Hilarious that it seems both sides are boycotting Target. Half the comments were saying Target is caving to Trump and half were upset that Target lets men in the women's bathroom.
Side note since we are talking about Target. Went into one for the first time in a long time (maybe a year), not sure if it was because I went 5 minutes after they opened, but it was fucking bizarre. I was about the only customer shopping, and the floor was fucking swarming with employees filling online shopping orders. Had to be close to 50. And the parking lot had tons of spots marked for online shoppers where the employees bring their order to the car.