The Swamp

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:16 pm

DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:30 pm

tennbengal wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:22 pm Why is it the right thing? Because she had an affair?

An affair with a staffer (regardless of gender) is never a good look.

That said...I hope her scumbag ex-husband and the various Right-Wing websites that have been publishing the pictures get busted for revenge porn.

This. Not because she had an affair, but it was with a subordinate.

For that matter a young subordinate who was fresh out of college and would be put in a difficult spot if she wanted to reject Hill’s advances or break off the affair.

["but mooooooom" voice] But Republicans can fuck their subordinates!

Once again, one party tries to play by the rules and the other party doesn't, but calls out the other when they even come close to breaking those rules. Oh, and the first party never gets any benefit from their efforts to play by the rules while the second party never gets any meaningful blowback from not playing by the rules.

DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:27 pm Once again, one party tries to play by the rules and the other party doesn't, but calls out the other when they even come close to breaking those rules. Oh, and the first party never gets any benefit from their efforts to play by the rules while the second party never gets any meaningful blowback from not playing by the rules.

I don’t think the solution to GOP hypocrisy is for Dems to stop abiding by ethical standards. This Tweet summarizes well why what Hill did was wrong:

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:26 pm ["but mooooooom" voice] But Republicans can fuck their subordinates!

And end up getting a cushy gig as the spouse of the Ambassador to the Vatican!

Callista Louise Gingrich (née Bisek; born March 4, 1966) is an American politician and businesswoman. She is the current United States Ambassador to the Holy See since December 22, 2017. She was the President of Gingrich Productions. She is married to former Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives and 2012 Republican Presidential candidate Newt Gingrich.[1]

Joe K wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:50 pm

DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:27 pm Once again, one party tries to play by the rules and the other party doesn't, but calls out the other when they even come close to breaking those rules. Oh, and the first party never gets any benefit from their efforts to play by the rules while the second party never gets any meaningful blowback from not playing by the rules.

I don’t think the solution to GOP hypocrisy is for Dems to stop abiding by ethical standards.

There should be more holding them up to ethical standards. I didn't think I had to specify.

"DDS" LOL

Isaac Yankem would be the only DDS I care about, but Glen Jacobs is the mayor of Knox Country, Tennessee and he's a Republican. So, oh well.

Also, this is a pretty big deal. (Click post for the link for the thread.)

sancarlos wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:06 pm

So Reagan was right - trees do cause pollution.

A_B wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:41 am The Governor's race this fall will give some hint, but Bevin has his own issues that go across party lines more.

It will be a recount/contested election but I’ll say that with the other republicans winning it was referendum on Bevin more than the Republican Party.

Not a referendum but rather people don’t like bevin

ETA: don’t know how you come up with 9k votes but you never know these days.

Well looks like Beshear found an extra 4000 votes. Up 13k with 2.5 to report yet

Up 8k with 0.5 to report. Definite recount.

That’s a big number to make up in a recount though.

brian wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:19 pm That’s a big number to make up in a recount though.

Yup. I don’t know where they would be found.

But the other results certainly doesn’t inspire hope for McGrath next year.

ETA: but I know damn sure Bevin won’t go quietly no matter what.

The libertarian stealing that many votes has to have hurt Bevin I think.

Chedda are you not following my cutting analysis!?!?!?

(It’s 8k lead with 99.4 reporting now)

And Wdrb’s website was the unquestioned leader for coverage tonight.

Kentucky is a nailbiter.

Also, a couple other highlights at the moment:

A_B wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:31 pm The libertarian stealing that many votes has to have hurt Bevin I think.

Chedda are you not following my cutting analysis!?!?!?

(It’s 8k lead with 99.4 reporting now)

I wasn't sure if I was ahead or behind you with that tweet.

Again, this is not a bad result for trump unless everyone that hates Bevin also hates trump, which is unlikely. Bevin was historically disliked. All the other Republicans won pretty easily so I don’t think Kentucky is becoming a battleground state all of a sudden.

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:45 pm

A_B wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:31 pm The libertarian stealing that many votes has to have hurt Bevin I think.

Chedda are you not following my cutting analysis!?!?!?

(It’s 8k lead with 99.4 reporting now)

I wasn't sure if I was ahead or behind you with that tweet.

I was just messin anyway. I may have had a bourbon.

I’m satisfied with “Trump went there to beg and lost”.

I’m seeing 100 percent reporting and Bevin down 7400 votes.

Virginia is completely blue now.

mister d wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:50 pm I’m satisfied with “Trump went there to beg and lost”.

Well I’m pretty sure they will brag on all the dominating wins and end up throwing Bevin under the bus in fact he kind of did it at the rally in what now seems like a hedge but only if you think there is that much thought. I’ll have to find the quote but the game is about to start so I probably won’t.

A_B wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:50 pm I’m seeing 100 percent reporting and Bevin down 7400 votes.

I transposed. Bevin down 4700 votes my bad.

It’s gonna get ugly.

Beshear claims victory but Bevin doesn’t concede. Sounds right.

And Trump claims Bevin was down at least 15 points before he came for the rally, in the most predictable tweet of all time.

KC voted to undo Martin Luther King Blvd last night. Which was the right decision!

The city council decided itself in January to rename The Paseo -- a historic street name that cuts north/south through a predominantly black area of the city -- to MLK. The process was bad, and there were lots of questions about it. Anyway, there were enough questions to put it back to a vote and 70% of the voters yesterday said it should go back to The Paseo.

surface-level optics aside (Kansas City voted to get rid of an MLK street!) there's now a chance for a transparent process to figure out what the best street is to be renamed. I want to see it be a numbered street that cuts east and west through diverse sections of the city. That's what they should have done in the first place other than take one of the most famous streets in the city and rename it.

VA goes fully blue.

3 typically red to purple counties outside of Philly go blue on their councils, one of the first time ever, another the first time since the Civil War.

In both of those races, and what is being reported out of KY, the suburbs are turning HARD against Trump.

There's no scenario where Trump loses white suburbia that sees him re-elected. We're talking a blowout if these early numbers are accurate.

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:26 pm VA goes fully blue.

3 typically red to purple counties outside of Philly go blue on their councils, one of the first time ever, another the first time since the Civil War.

In both of those races, and what is being reported out of KY, the suburbs are turning HARD against Trump.

There's no scenario where Trump loses white suburbia that sees him re-elected. We're talking a blowout if these early numbers are accurate.

Yeah, this is a good point. As it stands right now, it looks like the 2018 midterm election was a pretty good bellwether for what we'll see in 2020 (and confirms what we saw last night).

If all that is true, it means Georgia and to a lesser extent Texas might actually be in play. Also means NC is probably gonna be a barnburner. All that said, it's gonna come down to Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania again, but Trump is very unpopular in the two latter states and unpopular-ish in WI.

Too early to be overconfident, but it's hard to imagine what Trump could do to coalesce support around him since something like 46 percent of all registered voters have said there's no way they're voting for him in 2020, period. (Similar polling was at 36 percent for Obama 2012 and Bush 2004 IIRC.)

Bevin officially requests recanvass. Will be done tomorrow morning.

So when Bevin loses his recount (which I assume he will)...how long until the Kentucky Legislature quick marches bills to severely restrict the incoming Governor's powers? That's what the GOP did after losing in North Carolina and Wisconsin.

.....aaaaand they're trying to steal the election.

I don't think the Secretary of State will let that happen, to be honest. The recanvas is actually next thursday, not today, but unless there actually shows up some kind of real discrepancies she will certify the results.

Definitely the potential for some shenanigans in Kentucky, though it's hard to imagine a scenario where the GOP gets away with overturning a valid election.

Still, get ready for more of this because it's a warmup for what they're going to try if Trump loses in 2020.