2020: The Democratic Presidential Nomination Thread

[The Sybian]

Well said, Chedda. I'm so over the Clintons at this point.

This. I just got done explaining to a Republican friend that I really don't care if Bill Clinton rots in prison for his trips to Pedo-Island. I said he is irrelevant to the Party, if he did participate in trafficking minors for sex, he belongs in prison and that wouldn't affect my decision to vote for Biden, because why should Clinton's sex crimes bring down the Party he stopped leading 20 years ago? Then he gets a platform at the convention. Every time I see a clip of Hillary attacking Trump, I feel like it's doing more harm than good. Although, her interview on Stern about a year ago actually made me see her as human for the first time, and actually somewhat likable. If only she stopped trying so hard to be the perfect politician and just acted like a person, I might not have a visceral reaction towards her.

AOC scares the fuck out of Republicans wanting to vote Trump out of office. Same friend asked me to make a case for voting for Biden because he knows Trump is a vile human, but he is a Conservative and fears "The Squad" are out to destroy America. He was in shock that I don't understand that Ilhan Omar hates me because I am a white man. I actually made some headway with him saying that giving AOC 60 seconds was more of an insult than not inviting her. I take this as a negative, reinforcing my belief that the Party pretends to care about the Progressive Wing, but does everything they can to hold it down.

[Giff]

Yeah guys, you're right. This is making me rethink how awful the last 3 years and that we're in the middle of a pandemic where I'm having to set-up my kids for Zoom calls instead of sending them to the first day of school and never mind the attempted election rigging and the sending in troops to terrorize protesters and whatever fucking else you want to bring up. They didn't give AOC more than 60 seconds at the convention, they deserve to lose.

[govmentchedda]

Come on man. No one here is saying that.

[Johnnie]

AOC is the best. When a major news and media giant intentionally misrepresents standard procedure they reaffirm to the Gen X/Millennial/Zoomer community that our position in the world is second rate.

She's able to rock every fucking boat that deserves to be rocked. Even when she gets a minute, she still gets beaten down for no fucking reason and still makes her voice heard.

[Giff]

Not that they'll admit.

Right now, this board will hurt not at all if trump is re-elected give or take a couple people. My life certainly probably wouldn't change for the worse. Hand-wringing over the amount of time AOC got to speak or them inviting the 42nd and one of the most popular presidents of all-time to speak is insulting to all the people who actually will see their lives continue to deteriorate under a second term.

[Johnnie]

Excellent fucking strawman, Giff. Really, top notch.

If you can't see that this election is going to be a hate-vote for a shitty Democrat for a lot of people because the Republican is basically the worst human imaginable to be in the position, that's your fault.

It was linked in the Rebecca Traister article upthread, but here you go. Read this: The triumph of the Nostalgiacrats

The Democrats know that they get to reap the benefits of a hate-vote right now as they get to put an old-as-dirt, establishment corporatist in as the nominee because of how upended this works currently is.

Don't blame us for calling out the bullshit in the meantime.

[The Sybian]

Yeah guys, you're right. This is making me rethink how awful the last 3 years and that we're in the middle of a pandemic where I'm having to set-up my kids for Zoom calls instead of sending them to the first day of school and never mind the attempted election rigging and the sending in troops to terrorize protesters and whatever fucking else you want to bring up. They didn't give AOC more than 60 seconds at the convention, they deserve to lose.

Nobody was saying that, they were just calling out the Party for not channeling the future of the Party and embracing the one wing of the Party that brings energy and enthusiasm. But, that is what the DNC is. It's hardline Centrists that are more concerned with holding on to their own power in the Party and not allowing the Progressives to take over. While I'm more Progressive and want the Party to represent the people voting for it, I don't think that would be a good strategy to beat Trump, which is the only thing I care about today.

[govmentchedda]

Not that they'll admit.

Right now, this board will hurt not at all if trump is re-elected give or take a couple people. My life certainly probably wouldn't change for the worse. Hand-wringing over the amount of time AOC got to speak or them inviting the 42nd and one of the most popular presidents of all-time to speak is insulting to all the people who actually will see their lives continue to deteriorate under a second term.

I will happily put a Biden/Harris sticker on my car, and sign in my yard, and I will also happily point out bullshit in the DNC when I see it. These two points are not mutually exclusive.

[A_B]

There are few things I am 100% against, but one of them is stickers on my car. I AM ok with a decal that can easily be removed (I have a BU and UK one usually on my back window, but my UK one peeled off a couple of weeks ago and I need a new one), but stickers are right out.

[Giff]

Did the DNC prohibit any left-leaning groups from airing their own effective ads like the Lincoln Project or is it much easier to whine about them?

I just can't fathom being someone who was affected first-hand by the racism this administration has enabled over the past 3.5 years and being anything but 1000% amped to get rid of Trump instead of whining about who's producing ads and who's speaking at the convention for how long. I've been a no holds barred liberal since I was 12 and not affected personally in one single way by Trump and feel this way. Sorry, it's just astonishing to me and I should really just ignore this thread.

ETA for clarity.

[govmentchedda]

There are few things I am 100% against, but one of them is stickers on my car. I AM ok with a decal that can easily be removed (I have a BU and UK one usually on my back window, but my UK one peeled off a couple of weeks ago and I need a new one), but stickers are right out.

Good point. If what I ordered isn't magnetic, I'm going to make it so.

[mister d]

Maybe lets try a different approach to phrasing this same thing we’ve explained to you 100 times before: Despite all their character flaws, you still root for the Astros and it’s about to be game 7 against the Yankees. Your manager, whoever it is, decides that even though Greinke is on full rest, he’s worried some fans doubt Greinke’s big game ability and is instead activating a still injured Verlander. While few fans will be enthusiastic about this decision, it’s also easier to point to Verlander’s track record than to actively defend and promote Greinke. Also the manager gets more money for starting Verlander because the owners are huge fans. You scream “what the fuck, this is not the best way to win”. Other fans accuse you of wanting to lose the series and actually being a secret Yankees fan.

[Giff]

Before I answer, let me ask you this...if the Astros lose, does it mean four more years of the most destructive president and one of the biggest threats to our democracy in modern times? Will racism be enabled to the point where people shoot up synagogues and Walmarts or calling in bomb threats to Jewish schools after the game?

Comparing this election to a fucking baseball game just kinda helps cement my thought that the hand-wringing over all of this during this moment in our history is fucking bullshit.

[The Sybian]

Did the DNC prohibit any left-leaning groups from airing their own effective ads like the Lincoln Project or is it much easier to whine about them?

My concern with the Lincoln Project is that they are raising incredible amounts of money that would otherwise be donated to Biden's campaign or Dem/Progressive causes. The amount they are spending towards their stated purpose is shockingly small. The Lincoln Project is run by the architects of turning the GOP into the amoral steaming pile that it is. While I love their commercials, I am deeply concerned about the tens of millions of dollars they are raising from Dems/Progressives and not spending on defeating Trump. Where is that money going to be spent? I don't trust the people behind the organization, and unlike those behind Trump, they are highly competent.

[Johnnie]

Before I answer, let me ask you this...if the Astros lose, does it mean four more years of the most destructive president and one of the biggest threats to our democracy in modern times? Will racism be enabled to the point where people shoot up synagogues and Walmarts or calling in bomb threats to Jewish schools after the game?

Comparing this election to a fucking baseball game just kinda helps cement my thought that the hand-wringing over all of this during this moment in our history is fucking bullshit.

[degenerasian]

Saying AOC is ahead of where Obama was is a reach. Obama was editor of the Harvard Law Review, and taught Constitutional Law and was a Senator winning a seat that was previously held by a Republican.

[mister d]

Will racism be enabled to the point where people shoot up synagogues and Walmarts or calling in bomb threats to Jewish schools after the game?

Ah yes, easy access to assault weapons and the mass shootings this can lead to, a threat that began in November 2015 which the establishment Democrats would and will do anything to stop. Definitely not at all highlighting the entire counterpoint here.

[Nonlinear FC]

Saying AOC is ahead of where Obama was is a reach. Obama was editor of the Harvard Law Review, and taught Constitutional Law and was a Senator winning a seat that was previously held by a Republican.

If you're measuring name recognition and overall "heat"... while it's almost impossible to go back in time to measure, at a minimum she is where Obama was when he delivered that speech. It doesn't hurt that we are in the era of bogeyman politics, with a President and a party that has taken vilifying opponents to an exponentially horrible level.

[Giff]

I particularly love the criticism of the convention guests when the RNC is having the St. Louis couple and the racist kid from northern Kentucky scheduled to appear. The Republicans win that round for sure!

[Giff]

Saying AOC is ahead of where Obama was is a reach. Obama was editor of the Harvard Law Review, and taught Constitutional Law and was a Senator winning a seat that was previously held by a Republican.

If you're measuring name recognition and overall "heat"... while it's almost impossible to go back in time to measure, at a minimum she is where Obama was when he delivered that speech. It doesn't hurt that we are in the era of bogeyman politics, with a President and a party that has taken vilifying opponents to an exponentially horrible level.

That speech made Obama a household name. AOC already is. No contest, IMO.

[Giff]

Will racism be enabled to the point where people shoot up synagogues and Walmarts or calling in bomb threats to Jewish schools after the game?

Ah yes, easy access to assault weapons and the mass shootings this can lead to, a threat that began in November 2015 which the establishment Democrats would and will do anything to stop. Definitely not at all highlighting the entire counterpoint here.

Way to ignore certain words in my post. It's no secret violence associated to far-right extremists has increased since 2016, enabled by the rhetoric coming out of our president's mouth.

[Steve of phpBB]

The failure of the current Democratic leadership, intentional or otherwise, is realizing that their party is shifting hard right now but ignoring it completely.

You're talking about the party that is currently running on the most liberal platform in US history?

[govmentchedda]

The failure of the current Democratic leadership, intentional or otherwise, is realizing that their party is shifting hard right now but ignoring it completely.

You're talking about the party that is currently running on the most liberal platform in US history?

Caught this wording myself, and I won't speak for the honorable Airman, but I'm pretty sure he meant "right" as in proximate, not opposite of left.

[Johnnie]

The failure of the current Democratic leadership, intentional or otherwise, is realizing that their party is shifting hard right now but ignoring it completely.

You're talking about the party that is currently running on the most liberal platform in US history?

Caught this wording myself, and I won't speak for the honorable Airman, but I'm pretty sure he meant "right" as in proximate, not opposite of left.

This. 'Shifting hard "right now."' Not 'shifting "hard right" now.'

[Steve of phpBB]

The failure of the current Democratic leadership, intentional or otherwise, is realizing that their party is shifting hard right now but ignoring it completely.

You're talking about the party that is currently running on the most liberal platform in US history?

Caught this wording myself, and I won't speak for the honorable Airman, but I'm pretty sure he meant "right" as in proximate, not opposite of left.

This. 'Shifting hard "right now."' Not 'shifting "hard right" now.'

Shit that makes so much more sense. My bad. Sorry about that.

(That's what I get for Swamping while on a conference call.)

[Johnnie]

It's all good.

[BSF21]

but my UK one peeled off a couple of weeks ago and I need a new one)

I mean, but do you? Really?

[DSafetyGuy]

I can be satisfied taking a job where I get paid $2,000/week over a job where I get paid $500/week, but I can still want the job I took to pay me $2,500/week.

[degenerasian]

Another dumb question. Since this convention is virtual, why is it being limited to the same nightly schedule as an in-person convention? This thing should be on 24/7 with young people dancing and music and pride parades and speeches from volunteers and community leaders. This should be 24/7 Jerry Lewis telethon style.

[Johnnie]

Ask Tom Perez.

[brian]

I mean, there's people still running this. Can't really ask someone to turn what is normally a four-year production of a few hours a day for four days into a 24-hour production with only a couple months notice and for no real good reason and after having had to switch from a live production to a virtual one.

Real people are working behind the scenes of these things even virtually to make them go. One of them would have been DSafe in person if not for COVID. Ask him how he'd like to go to working 24 hour a day instead of just a few.

[DSafetyGuy]

I mean, there's people still running this. Can't really ask someone to turn what is normally a four-year production of a few hours a day for four days into a 24-hour production with only a couple months notice and for no real good reason and after having had to switch from a live production to a virtual one.

Real people are working behind the scenes of these things even virtually to make them go. One of them would have been DSafe in person if not for COVID. Ask him how he'd like to go to working 24 hour a day instead of just a few.

Under normal circumstances, it ends up being about 24 hours of live programming (some stuff is pre-taped, but people have to make sure those segments air at the correct times, etc.) over the course of four days. When network coverage switches to talk to their panel, air commercials, etc., things still go on live throughout the entire six hours a day due to the live attendees (house band, other "minor" speakers, etc.). There are also hours of rehearsals before going on air because... when else are you going to rehearse all these speakers?

It's usually a minimum of 16-hour days for the four days of the convention.

[degenerasian]

Ah, to stick it to Trump youd do it.

[mister d]

Way to ignore certain words in my post. It's no secret violence associated to far-right extremists has increased since 2016, enabled by the rhetoric coming out of our president's mouth.

“Way to focus on only one of my three sentences” says the guy intentionally misrepresenting an entire viewpoint.

[brian]

Ah, to stick it to Trump youd do it.

Most of the people involved in the production aren't in the DNC, they're just hired by the DNC. They might happen to be OK working for them like DSafe's company presumably is, but it's still just a job so no, no one's gonna work an extra few hours on an already 12-16 hour day because Trump.

[mister d]

Fucked up the Bernie bros are taking Biden’s popularity like this:

[brian]

Is it supposed to be news that Trump could win?

[tennbengal]

Fucked up the Bernie bros are taking Biden’s popularity like this:

It's fucked up berniebros on that thread masturbating over the hope that Trump wins so that people can suffer and die so they can I-told-you-so.

[sancarlos]

There are few things I am 100% against, but one of them is stickers on my car. I AM ok with a decal that can easily be removed (I have a BU and UK one usually on my back window, but my UK one peeled off a couple of weeks ago and I need a new one), but stickers are right out.

Good point. If what I ordered isn't magnetic, I'm going to make it so.

Watch out for magnetics, too. I put a couple on the wife's car a couple years ago, and they are basically glued on, now.

[Steve of phpBB]

Fucked up the Bernie bros are taking Biden’s popularity like this:

It's fucked up berniebros on that thread masturbating over the hope that Trump wins so that people can suffer and die so they can I-told-you-so.

Jacobin is really fucked up.

Anyway, I can’t find the state-level stuff, but at this point in 2016 Hillary was around 43% nationally. Biden is at 51. Biden is at 50.4% in Pennsylvania and 50.0 in Michigan. I doubt Hillary was higher than that in mid-August 2016.