Trump Administration Meltdown Thread...

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:42 am

rass wrote:Hope it's Jared.

But then who's going to fix the Middle East?

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:34 pm

L-Jam3 wrote:
rass wrote:Hope it's Jared.

But then who's going to fix the Middle East?

And who'll stop the opiod crisis? He is far too important to indict.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:42 pm

Pruitt wrote:
L-Jam3 wrote:
rass wrote:Hope it's Jared.

But then who's going to fix the Middle East?

And who'll stop the opiod crisis? He is far too important to indict.

We are still months away from an indictment, plenty of time for Jared to complete "fixing" the Middle East, ending the opioid crises, fixing the VA system, restructuring the entire government to run like a business, and reforming the criminal justice system, all while managing diplomatic relations with China and Mexico.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:59 pm

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 8971292672

And Bill Browder's visa was revoked. This is a fucking mess.

Avram · Post by **Avram** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:08 pm

In light of John McCain's implied criticism of Trump over getting a medical deferment in 1968 for bone spurs I thought I would tell my story.
I was in med school from 1967-1971. While there I enlisted in the Navy to serve after my internship. At the start of my internship I developed Guillian-Barre syndrome after a case of gastroenteritis. Fortunaely it was mild (only had weakness in my arms and legs with a bilateral footdrop and I recovered completely in 3 months. It could have easily been fatal or affected me for months or more. I got my orders in April 72 for Okinawa. As a Navy physician I was assigned to the USMC. I went for my physical that spring, and the examining doctor was a friend of mine from med school doing his reserve duty. When I told him that I had had Guillian-Barre syndrome he offered to declare me 4F and ineligible to serve. I thought about it. I could have started my residency then rather than serving 2 years on active duty. But I was single, unattached, only 22 (I graduated med school at 21) and said no. I wasn't going to a war zone, the Marines had been pulled out of Vietnam by then. I was a physician and an officer so it wasn't like I would have been an enlisted man. My life in the service was much easier as an officer than an EM's. I did feel an obligation. I never regretted my decision, and never questioned anyone's decision about things like that.
But Donald Trump is an arrogant asshole who criticized McCain for getting captured when he took every chance to avoid serving. If he wasn't such a hypocritical piece of shit, I wouldn't care. But he is. And he is a coward. He is despicable.
I hope that wasn't too long or boring. I just wanted to voice some of my disgust.

Post by **brian** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:13 pm

Yeah, I think the thing for me is Trump mocking McCain for being captured.

Even before for the most part, but especially after watching the Ken Burns' Vietnam documentary, I don't begrudge any of the guys who didn't serve or pulled strings or sought conscientious objector status or even fled to Canada. But if any of those people had the chutzpah to mock a POW they would deserve every bad thing that could come of that.

To this day, I'm really not sure how that wasn't what did Trump in.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:17 pm

Avram wrote:In light of John McCain's implied criticism of Trump over getting a medical deferment in 1968 for bone spurs I thought I would tell my story.
I was in med school from 1967-1971. While there I enlisted in the Navy to serve after my internship. At the start of my internship I developed Guillian-Barre syndrome after a case of gastroenteritis. Fortunaely it was mild (only had weakness in my arms and legs with a bilateral footdrop and I recovered completely in 3 months. It could have easily been fatal or affected me for months or more. I got my orders in April 72 for Okinawa. As a Navy physician I was assigned to the USMC. I went for my physical that spring, and the examining doctor was a friend of mine from med school doing his reserve duty. When I told him that I had had Guillian-Barre syndrome he offered to declare me 4F and ineligible to serve. I thought about it. I could have started my residency then rather than serving 2 years on active duty. But I was single, unattached, only 22 (I graduated med school at 21) and said no. I wasn't going to a war zone, the Marines had been pulled out of Vietnam by then. I was a physician and an officer so it wasn't like I would have been an enlisted man. My life in the service was much easier as an officer than an EM's. I did feel an obligation. I never regretted my decision, and never questioned anyone's decision about things like that.
But Donald Trump is an arrogant asshole who criticized McCain for getting captured when he took every chance to avoid serving. If he wasn't such a hypocritical piece of shit, I wouldn't care. But he is. And he is a coward. He is despicable.
I hope that wasn't too long or boring. I just wanted to voice some of my disgust.

Too long or boring? After all of the blathering we do on here, this is the most relevant and earned rant. You sacrificed and served when you could have gotten out, how could you not be furious with this ashhole being Commander in Chief shitting on those who served?

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:31 pm

Avram wrote:I was a physician and an officer so it wasn't like I would have been an enlisted man. My life in the service was much easier as an officer than an EM's.

I kid.

But thanks for your service. (Stated non-sarcastically)

Sidenote: I do like hearing stories of people enlisting in the Air Force instead of being drafted elsewhere. Kudos for sticking it out.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:24 pm

brian wrote:Yeah, I think the thing for me is Trump mocking McCain for being captured.

Even before for the most part, but especially after watching the Ken Burns' Vietnam documentary, I don't begrudge any of the guys who didn't serve or pulled strings or sought conscientious objector status or even fled to Canada. But if any of those people had the chutzpah to mock a POW they would deserve every bad thing that could come of that.

To this day, I'm really not sure how that wasn't what did Trump in.

I couldn't agree more.

Those who fled to Canada (who really contributed a lot to the - at the time - moribund culture up here) made a tough decision - they left their lives behind, and couldn't know when they would ever be allowed back home.

"Chutzpah" could be used to describe Trump belittling McCain. But part of me thinks that it's almost a slur against Yiddish. What he did is the act of a complete fucking weasel. And like you, I am still amazed that in a country where the love and respect of the military is supposedly so ingrained that his words didn't result in his losing the election. His words reflect an attitude that the "silent majority" supposedly feels is an elitist P.O.V. But still...

Maybe his dog whistles appealed to more people than I would like to believe, and there are so many millions of americans that can ignore the fact that a privileged con artist shit on a war hero as long as he hates immigrants, women and blacks as much as they do.

Sorry to prattle on - we've been over this many, many times. But it is still stunning.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:03 pm

Avram wrote:In light of John McCain's implied criticism of Trump over getting a medical deferment in 1968 for bone spurs I thought I would tell my story.
I was in med school from 1967-1971. While there I enlisted in the Navy to serve after my internship. At the start of my internship I developed Guillian-Barre syndrome after a case of gastroenteritis. Fortunaely it was mild (only had weakness in my arms and legs with a bilateral footdrop and I recovered completely in 3 months. It could have easily been fatal or affected me for months or more. I got my orders in April 72 for Okinawa. As a Navy physician I was assigned to the USMC. I went for my physical that spring, and the examining doctor was a friend of mine from med school doing his reserve duty. When I told him that I had had Guillian-Barre syndrome he offered to declare me 4F and ineligible to serve. I thought about it. I could have started my residency then rather than serving 2 years on active duty. But I was single, unattached, only 22 (I graduated med school at 21) and said no. I wasn't going to a war zone, the Marines had been pulled out of Vietnam by then. I was a physician and an officer so it wasn't like I would have been an enlisted man. My life in the service was much easier as an officer than an EM's. I did feel an obligation. I never regretted my decision, and never questioned anyone's decision about things like that.
But Donald Trump is an arrogant asshole who criticized McCain for getting captured when he took every chance to avoid serving. If he wasn't such a hypocritical piece of shit, I wouldn't care. But he is. And he is a coward. He is despicable.
I hope that wasn't too long or boring. I just wanted to voice some of my disgust.

I'm impressed that you made that choice. I am quite sure that I would've taken any kind of deferment I could have. Hell, my Dad kept his Canadian citizenship so that if the draft was reinstated we could leave.

I will not criticize anyone for deciding to go to war, or avoid it. I will only criticize folks who ducked the war and then played war hawk.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:04 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote:
I will not criticize anyone for deciding to go to war, or avoid it. I will only criticize folks who ducked the war and then played war hawk.

Perfect statement.

Johnnie wrote:Sidenote: I do like hearing stories of people enlisting in the Air Force instead of being drafted elsewhere.

That was my father. He volunteered to join the Air Force. When he went for his physical, he had high blood pressure, so they made him stay a couple nights in a VA hospital and run tests. He was so freaked out by what he saw there, and being woken up by a priest reading him his last rights, that his vitals were all fucked up. Air Force rejected him.

In some ways, it's a shame we don't have the draft today. If we did, people would have questioned the decision to go into Iraq, and we wouldn't still be fighting in Afghanistan 16 years later.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:35 pm

Unfortunately the people you want to see drafted and get a wake up call are the trust fund babies and those born into privilege who are literally to rich to serve.

You also have to see it from my perspective. If the services did take draftees it might create a rift within them. There's enough entitlement amongst the ranks already. A bunch of shitty people volunteered already figuring the military owes them. I can't imagine what a drafted person would act like.

But here's all you have to do to avoid being drafted if your parents aren't rich: be fat and unhealthy. Despite our population, so many people just can't serve because they can't run, do push ups, sit ups, or be fit.

rass · Post by **rass** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:55 am

https://twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/stat ... 0400486400
https://twitter.com/KaplanABC11/status/ ... 2487946241

rass · Post by **rass** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:53 am

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/ ... 2034127874

Sen. Corker: Trump is “absolutely not” a role model, and he will be remembered for the “basement of our nation”

Highlighting this just because the quote was apparently "debasement of our nation" and not "the basement of our nation". #FAKENEWS

Avram · Post by **Avram** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:21 am

rass wrote:https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/922822472034127874

Sen. Corker: Trump is “absolutely not” a role model, and he will be remembered for the “basement of our nation”

Highlighting this just because the quote was apparently "debasement of our nation" and not "the basement of our nation". #FAKENEWS

Too bad he didn't say any of this during the election, or before he decided not to run for reelection.
Also, no other R senator (besides McCain) is backing him up.

The R's are in the basement debasing the country with Trump.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:46 am

Avram wrote:
rass wrote:https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/922822472034127874

Sen. Corker: Trump is “absolutely not” a role model, and he will be remembered for the “basement of our nation”

Highlighting this just because the quote was apparently "debasement of our nation" and not "the basement of our nation". #FAKENEWS

Too bad he didn't say any of this during the election, or before he decided not to run for reelection.
Also, no other R senator (besides McCain) is backing him up.

The R's are in the basement debasing the country with Trump.

Until "Trumpism" is a proven loser at the ballot box, those weasels will stay there in "debasement" along with the sociopath in chief.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:47 am

Yup

The R's are so happy on the inside right now. They would be nowhere without Trump. What a gift this was. They'll put up with all his insults.
They just fake outrage from time to time. There's no place for real outrage like Corker's.

"shut uuuppppppp, you're going to ruin our act"

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:19 am

Absolutely nothing fishing going on here, nothing at all.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:24 am

You guys must not be seeing all the articles about establishment GOP candidates freaking the fuck out because they can't get traction with the Trump/Tea Party constituents. Look up the governor's race in VA.

This is the emerging story/trend going on with both parties. The DNC just ousted all the Bernie-backers and continues to be extremely reluctant to swing left and put money behind candidates where Trump beat Clinton. Meanwhile, two separate polls have the dem in Alabama in a dead heat. That's insane.

The GOP, for its part, is totally NOT comfortable with how far things have gone, especially all the... you know... blatant racism that has now permanently marred the party for the next generation. You guys honestly think they are happy about this development? I know they've been dog whistling for decades, but there's a reason they didn't want it to be so (stupidly and clumsily) put out there... The demographics going forward don't allow a racist party to dominate. The country is getting close to a majority being non-white. And the generation that are just coming of age to vote is going to be one of the most liberal, multi-cultural groups in American history.

GOPers in Congress are sitting tight right now because there's no winning angle. Step out of line and the Tea Party apparatus will team up with Trump to drum you out of office. Obviously.

As someone said, this only turns around if they get waxed in the mid-terms and when Trump loses in 2020.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:33 am

Well then, the GOP might just have to tighten up the ease of voting in the next election..

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:03 am

rass wrote:https://twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/922639280400486400
https://twitter.com/KaplanABC11/status/ ... 2487946241

Hang on....does it bother anyone else that Trump is writing personal checks to Gold Star families? That just seems wrong to me on a bunch of levels.

Such as: Is he doing that for every gold star family now? What made this family special (let me guess...they are white)? Will he be doing this from now on? Will every future President be expected to do the same thing? Don't military families get "death benefits"/insurance payouts?

So many questions....with very few good answers I'd guess.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:06 am

brian wrote:Yeah, I think the thing for me is Trump mocking McCain for being captured.

Yes, yes yes. And he did that during a Republican Debate, with a zillion other Republican candidates sitting on the stage with him, including McCain's BFF, Sen. Lindsay Graham. Why Graham, or even JEB!, didn't take that opening and absolutely open up on Trump, on the stage, right then and there....I will never understand that.

I'm not a fan of Sen McCain, but you can't denigrate what he went through.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:08 am

The GOP would have to lose the House in 2018 because they are not losing the Senate (the numbers just don't work)

Are the GOP mad enough to run candidates against incumbent Trump? in 2020.
Do the Democrats have a viable candidate?

I agree with you that the country will be more liberal but it's not based on color. The left likes to play the oppression olympics but young whites are much more liberal than old non-whites. But do they vote? 18-30 is always the worst voter turnout demographic and I don't know why. You'd think they would have more of a stake in the country's future than 80 year olds. The Dems need an exciting candidate like Obama was to motivate the young.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:09 am

DaveInSeattle wrote:
brian wrote:Yeah, I think the thing for me is Trump mocking McCain for being captured.

Yes, yes yes. And he did that during a Republican Debate, with a zillion other Republican candidates sitting on the stage with him, including McCain's BFF, Sen. Lindsay Graham. Why Graham, or even JEB!, didn't take that opening and absolutely open up on Trump, on the stage, right then and there....I will never understand that.

I'm not a fan of Sen McCain, but you can't denigrate what he went through.

Trump called Jeb weak and low energy. That's all it took. That one line killed him.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:10 pm

degenerasian wrote:The GOP would have to lose the House in 2018 because they are not losing the Senate (the numbers just don't work)

Are the GOP mad enough to run candidates against incumbent Trump? in 2020.
Do the Democrats have a viable candidate?

I agree with you that the country will be more liberal but it's not based on color. The left likes to play the oppression olympics but young whites are much more liberal than old non-whites. But do they vote? 18-30 is always the worst voter turnout demographic and I don't know why. You'd think they would have more of a stake in the country's future than 80 year olds. The Dems need an exciting candidate like Obama was to motivate the young.

I didn't say it was simply due to color, but that is a huge factor. But to your point, I'm fully aware... I have two kids coming of age, whitest kids on the planet. They think my liberal ass is Archie Bunker (sort of a running joke where I mess with them, but points stands... These two are hyper liberal white kids from the most suburban of suburbs.)

If you had been on the Mall for the Women's March... These kids CAN'T WAIT to vote. They are pissed and they are scared.

These are the X factors making me think there are going to be some real surprises in 2018. Again, the fact that Alabama is polling as a dead heat is a stunner. Not saying dems are going to win that race, but it's telling.

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Not that Flake retiring proves my point... But it kind of proves my point about what's going on in the GOP right now. Establishment, barely moderate in the first place Republicans are opting out, rather than being forced to run against Tea Party extremists. Same thing is happening on the House side.

The GOP going the way of Bannon and the Tea Party is the death knell. It's just too far off of the mainstream to be (wait for it)... sustainable long-term.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:33 pm

degenerasian wrote:
DaveInSeattle wrote:
brian wrote:Yeah, I think the thing for me is Trump mocking McCain for being captured.

Yes, yes yes. And he did that during a Republican Debate, with a zillion other Republican candidates sitting on the stage with him, including McCain's BFF, Sen. Lindsay Graham. Why Graham, or even JEB!, didn't take that opening and absolutely open up on Trump, on the stage, right then and there....I will never understand that.

I'm not a fan of Sen McCain, but you can't denigrate what he went through.

Trump called Jeb weak and low energy. That's all it took. That one line killed him.

Yes, and everyone else was scared of having Trump put them on blast because they knew it would end them just as quickly. That's why no one else defended Mexicans, the disabled, women, or any other group Trump lit up. As soon as anyone would come at Trump, he would ruin them as the outsider denigrating politicians while massive groups hate politicians.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:39 pm

DSafetyGuy wrote:
degenerasian wrote:
DaveInSeattle wrote:
brian wrote:Yeah, I think the thing for me is Trump mocking McCain for being captured.

Yes, yes yes. And he did that during a Republican Debate, with a zillion other Republican candidates sitting on the stage with him, including McCain's BFF, Sen. Lindsay Graham. Why Graham, or even JEB!, didn't take that opening and absolutely open up on Trump, on the stage, right then and there....I will never understand that.

I'm not a fan of Sen McCain, but you can't denigrate what he went through.

Trump called Jeb weak and low energy. That's all it took. That one line killed him.

Yes, and everyone else was scared of having Trump put them on blast because they knew it would end them just as quickly. That's why no one else defended Mexicans, the disabled, women, or any other group Trump lit up. As soon as anyone would come at Trump, he would ruin them as the outsider denigrating politicians while massive groups hate politicians.

The centrist media was convinced (and hopeful) that Rubio would cruise to the nomination. But as soon as Trump went after him ("Little Marco"), with an assist from Christie, Rubio's candidacy collapsed. There's this perception that if only the party stood up to Trump, he could've been stopped back in the primaries. Maybe that's true, but there's also a lot of evidence that Trump was -- and still is -- exactly what GOP voters want.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:11 pm

Joe K wrote:
DSafetyGuy wrote:
degenerasian wrote:
DaveInSeattle wrote:
brian wrote:Yeah, I think the thing for me is Trump mocking McCain for being captured.

Yes, yes yes. And he did that during a Republican Debate, with a zillion other Republican candidates sitting on the stage with him, including McCain's BFF, Sen. Lindsay Graham. Why Graham, or even JEB!, didn't take that opening and absolutely open up on Trump, on the stage, right then and there....I will never understand that.

I'm not a fan of Sen McCain, but you can't denigrate what he went through.

Trump called Jeb weak and low energy. That's all it took. That one line killed him.

Yes, and everyone else was scared of having Trump put them on blast because they knew it would end them just as quickly. That's why no one else defended Mexicans, the disabled, women, or any other group Trump lit up. As soon as anyone would come at Trump, he would ruin them as the outsider denigrating politicians while massive groups hate politicians.

The centrist media was convinced (and hopeful) that Rubio would cruise to the nomination. But as soon as Trump went after him ("Little Marco"), with an assist from Christie, Rubio's candidacy collapsed. There's this perception that if only the party stood up to Trump, he could've been stopped back in the primaries. Maybe that's true, but there's also a lot of evidence that Trump was -- and still is -- exactly what GOP voters want.

The Democrats keep hoping that those who voted for Trump (especially white women) have buyers remorse.
To your point, were Republican registered voters duped by Trump or is he exactly what they want.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:18 pm

degenerasian wrote:To your point, were Republican registered voters duped by Trump or is he exactly what they want.

Well, as one politician once put it, about half of Trump's supporters belong in the basket of deplorables. They are getting exactly what they want.

The other half include more intelligent Republicans folks who figured Trump wouldn't be that bad and just want their tax cuts, and also the low-information voters who thought that Trump would be a champion for the lower class. I have to think the other two classes were duped, though whether they realize it, or whether they are mad enough to vote the other way next time, is an open questions.

Post by **Shirley** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:20 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote:If you had been on the Mall for the Women's March... These kids CAN'T WAIT to vote. They are pissed and they are scared.

FWIW, I was on the mall about 10 days ago and there were a bunch of 12-15 year-olds running around covered in Trump gear. Yes, they were white.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:22 pm

I believe most GOP voters are embarrassed by Trump’s gaffes, but are aligned with him 100% when he goes after Kaepernick over the anthem protests, threatens North Korea, talks tough about Iran, and acts religious. They think the (perceived) “good” there plus guns (yes) and abortion (no) outweighs his crudeness.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:28 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote:
degenerasian wrote:To your point, were Republican registered voters duped by Trump or is he exactly what they want.

Well, as one politician once put it, about half of Trump's supporters belong in the basket of deplorables. They are getting exactly what they want.

The other half include more intelligent Republicans folks who figured Trump wouldn't be that bad and just want their tax cuts, and also the low-information voters who thought that Trump would be a champion for the lower class. I have to think the other two classes were duped, though whether they realize it, or whether they are mad enough to vote the other way next time, is an open questions.

Trump a champion for the lower class still gets me every time.

It depends what is on the other side. Those who want their tax-cut aren't go to leave if the other side is Bernie.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 5:50 pm

degenerasian wrote:To your point, were Republican registered voters duped by Trump or is he exactly what they want.

He is exactly what they want. Maybe not Trump the man specifically, but a human that acts, talks, and masquerades as some tough no nonsense loudmouth that sticks it to liberals is the wet dream.

And I derive that from my being stationed in Louisiana around hardened, salty military dudes (mostly from Ohio, when I think back on it) who listened to Limbaugh, Savage, and whatever other conservative radio personalities day in and day out. I had mentioned that I liked Bill Maher (speaking about his Politically Incorrect days because I was 19) and my shop chief snapped at me because "fucking liberal scumbags like that are what's going to sink this country."

Come to think of it, that dude was basically force retired because of sexual assault/harassment too. Really, aircraft maintenance culture in the early 2000s subtlely condoned being misogynistic and rude towards women, so it's not surprising.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:21 pm

https://twitter.com/evepeyser/status/922836526379294727

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:22 pm

Donald wishes ; P

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:56 am

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 9868131329

3 tweets in 16 hours that mention the fact that senators gave him a standing ovation.

In a way, his need for approval is pathetic.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:50 pm

sancarlos wrote:https://twitter.com/evepeyser/status/922836526379294727

Seriously... What a bunch of fucking morons.

rass · Post by **rass** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:06 pm

https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/ ... 0026494976

Avram · Post by **Avram** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:05 pm

I was listening to a podcast this morning, Pod Save the World. It was an interview with Mike Morrell a 30 year vet of the CIA who at one point was acting director. He said that after the government took down Osama Bin Laden, the first call Obama made was to Bush. He said there is a certain relationship between those who have held that office. Somehow I don't think that is shared by Trump. If it had happened while the Orang Asshole was in charge, I think the first thing he would have done was tweeted out something derogatory about whoever had been president before (especially if Obama) and how he had done what his predecessor(s) had failed to do.
However, I think he would have probably compromised the mission by tweeting something about it on his unsecured phone during the mission before it was complete.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:25 pm

https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status ... 9187622912