World Cup 2018 Qualification

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tennbengal wrote:More from Pulisic - I could not agree more:

In the U.S. system, too often the best player on an under-17 team will be treated like a “star” — not having to work for the ball, being the focus of the offense at all times, etc. — at a time when they should be having to fight tooth and nail for their spot. In Europe, on the other hand, the average level of ability around you is just so much higher. It’s a pool of players where everyone has been “the best player,” and everyone is fighting for a spot — truly week in and week out. Which makes the intensity and humility that you need to bring to the field every day — both from a mental and physical perspective — just unlike anything that you can really experience in U.S. developmental soccer.

Without those experiences, there’s simply no way that I would be at anywhere close to the level that I am today.

And so I really just wonder, you know: Why is it that E.U. players are allowed to move country once they turn 16 … but non-Europeans can only do so at 18? Why aren’t we campaigning for a level playing field, where our best 16 year olds — who may not have an E.U. passport like I had — are free to move when they turn 16, like the best young players in Europe can? And in the meanwhile, as long as some of our best young players aren’t getting the opportunity like I had to go to Europe when they’re 16 … are we doing everything in our power to make sure the level of play in U.S. soccer is high enough so that they can continue to develop up to their maximum potential? So that they can continue to develop until they are allowed to play at the top level their talent dictates — wherever that is in the world?

I also understand, of course, that — even with the option to leave — leaving the States might not be for everyone. Staying is fine, and I totally respect it. But at the same time, I’ve gotta say: It really does frustrate me, when I watch MLS, and I see our best U-17 players — who, again, are so talented and so capable — being rostered … but then not being put on the field much to actually play. I watch that, and I just think about how I was given a chance … a real chance … and it changed my life. Why then are we seemingly hesitant to allow these other talents to blossom?


Again, from points I made either earlier in this thread, or other soccer threads on here, the issue in the US is NOT the U14 development programs in my opinion, it is what happens in the age 14-17 years - that's where the slippage occurs with respect to keeping up with the rest of the world. By the time they get to 18 and finally get to go overseas, they have lost extremely valuable development time...


It creates a really interesting cultural question. There are very small subset of kids where going overseas makes sense. Truly gifted soccer players who can make the gamble of giving up on education to be a professional soccer player. And many of them will wash out or hit bad luck. Julian Green, Gedion Zelalem. But if your kid had that talent would you put it all on the table or hedge and say you will have a great experience playing for a MLS Academy/Development Academy team with good coaches and training. A chance to get a high school diploma and a decision to go pro (Chris Durkin, Bill Hamid), start college and then go pro (Jordan Morris, Robbie Rodgers), or graduate and go pro (Bobby Warshaw has a degree from Stanford).

Or go to high school, get drafted by the MLS, go to college and play football, and then kick for the Chargers and Jacksonville in the NFL.


I don't have the time to actually go dig this up, but I'm almost 100 percent sure that residential academies in the states are required to have academics baked in, and I'd be REALLY surprised if the same wasn't true in Europe. So I don't think anyone is forced to make an academic/athletic choice. They do have to make a life altering, massive upheaval choice to attend any residential academy, obviously exacerbated if they go to a place where they don't speak the language.


Oh in the US that is the case. DC United has a thing with the Calverton School (not sure how many people take advantage of that), RSL has a residency in Arizona, and Union have a school setup in Philadelphia. Plus you have IMG. However, lots of academies are just clubs. I don't know what Pulisic was doing for academics when he was graduating up from U-17->1st team at Dortmund but guessing classroom was scheduled around soccer.
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tennbengal wrote:Cupboard wasn't bare though...

https://twitter.com/Adz77/status/930371397897027584

Kinda hard to play both Donnarumma and Buffon.
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govmentchedda wrote:
tennbengal wrote:Cupboard wasn't bare though...

https://twitter.com/Adz77/status/930371397897027584

Kinda hard to play both Donnarumma and Buffon.


Not even one competitive minute?
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I think it was too early for those kids, Italy has many other players that weren't used.
Italy could not unlock the Swedish defense over 180 minutes. Pumping cross after cross after cross into the box with no result was crazy.
At some point the duo of Insigne and Jorginho together (Napoli teammates) should have been deployed to solve the puzzle.

Instead the failed 3-5-2 continued. Darmian and Candreva were too wide and Gabbiadini was dropping back too far.

Insigne was definitely unused, dare I say a creative player like Giovinco would have helped. Or heck even Balotelli to worry the defense. It was way too comfortable for Sweden over 2 legs.
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The kids are alright early in the friendly with Portugal - McKennie with the nice finish after a turnover and quick build-up for early lead. It's McKennie's debut.
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I wonder if the Irish know any sad drinking songs? :(
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You guys are bumming me out by talking about a meaningless friendly in the World Cup thread.

(ETA: Not saying don't talk about it, just the location is bumming me out.)
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rass wrote:I wonder if the Irish know any sad drinking songs? :(


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brian wrote:You guys are bumming me out by talking about a meaningless friendly in the World Cup thread.

(ETA: Not saying don't talk about it, just the location is bumming me out.)


It's all we got. I don't have the heart to start a Qatar 2022 thread to discuss...
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I wonder which guys that should have played in this cycle will have passed their peak by that cycle but get 90 minutes per game in front of some more talented kid whose name we don't yet know.
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brian wrote:You guys are bumming me out by talking about a meaningless friendly in the World Cup thread.

(ETA: Not saying don't talk about it, just the location is bumming me out.)


yeah that is why I started the 2022 is a long way away thread
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with 30 teams qualified here is the seeding for the Dec 1st draw

Pot 1: Russia, Brazil, Germany, Portugal, Argentina, Poland, Belgium, France
Pot 2: Spain, England, Switzerland, Croatia, Colombia, Uruguay, (Peru), Mexico
Pot 3: (Denmark), Iceland, Sweden, Senegal, Tunisia, Egypt, Costa Rica, Iran,
Pot 4: (Serbia), Morocco, Nigeria, Korea, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Australia/Honduras, Panama, (New Zealand)

If Peru win
Peru is Pot 2
Denmark is Pot 3
Serbia is Pot 4

If New Zealand win
Denmark is Pot 2
Serbia is Pot 3
New Zealand is Pot 4

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Best part about Denmark making the World Cup...Hummel uniforms. Very few teams wear it and brings back that reminder of my favorite uniforms my club played in back in the day.
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wlu_lax6 wrote:Best part about Denmark making the World Cup...Hummel uniforms. Very few teams wear it and brings back that reminder of my favorite uniforms my club played in back in the day.

From Wiki:
The Hummel logo is a stylized bumble bee, as hummel is German for bumble bee.[1] The company's name is derived from the popular Hamburg greeting ("Hamburger Gruß"), which is known throughout northern Germany: One says Hummel, Hummel and the other replies with Mors, Mors (German dialect for "buttocks"). The origin of this saying trades back to the 19th century, when a Hamburg citizen with the name Hummel answered greetings with Mors, Mors, which is short for "lick my ass".
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Australia qualified this morning. 3-1 over Honduras.

A record 22 matches in the qualifying campaign.
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Good. Fuck Honduras. I'm glad Panama got in to be honest. If any team in CONCACAF was going to take the USA's "spot" I'm glad it was Panama.
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Peru the final qualifier
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Baloney wrote:Peru the final qualifier


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This is when I wish I knew everyone's backstory a little better so I could safely make a "Oh, I didn't know your mom is a Peru fan" joke.
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Another bump for Dr. Chuck's return (and in case he has time to find the posts about the US world cup qualifying fiasco).
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