mister d wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:47 pm
Now lets just hope he can live a nice, quiet life free of harassment or being bludgeoned by a victim or victim's loved one.
If he was white, he'd be a shoo in for a spot on Fox NEws.
Huh. It doesn't shock me, as he's sort of a legendary asshole. But what do you do with a 56-year-old claim like this? Maybe other women will come out with similar stories?
Huh. It doesn't shock me, as he's sort of a legendary asshole. But what do you do with a 56-year-old claim like this? Maybe other women will come out with similar stories?
Maybe it’s wishful thinking but grooming and having sex with someone that young doesn’t seem like a one-time thing. If the claim is legit seems like there would be others out there.
Huh. It doesn't shock me, as he's sort of a legendary asshole. But what do you do with a 56-year-old claim like this? Maybe other women will come out with similar stories?
Maybe it’s wishful thinking but grooming and having sex with someone that young doesn’t seem like a one-time thing. If the claim is legit seems like there would be others out there.
Exactly, although I'm not sure I'd refer to it as "wishful thinking." That said, I seriously doubt this woman is making it up.
Re: Kevin Spacey's Career?
Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 11:14 am
by brian
Wishful thinking in the sense this is some kind of misunderstanding and not a pattern. But yeah seems unlikely to make up something that happened 56 years ago.
Huh. It doesn't shock me, as he's sort of a legendary asshole. But what do you do with a 56-year-old claim like this? Maybe other women will come out with similar stories?
Maybe it’s wishful thinking but grooming and having sex with someone that young doesn’t seem like a one-time thing. If the claim is legit seems like there would be others out there.
I'm curious if there were rumors in his sphere. Like comedians all say they heard rumors about Cosby, and everyone in Hollywood seemed to know about Weinstein. If Dylan groomed 12 yos, word would get around. Even in the 1960s, I would think. And like you said, it's usually not a one-off to groom a 12 yo. I think it's completely plausible he had a history of this and nobody came forward, but people would talk.
Re: Kevin Spacey's Career?
Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 1:53 pm
by Shirley
Yeah. 12! What the fuck? And he was only 24? How does someone get that fucked up that young?
Re: Kevin Spacey's Career?
Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 1:54 pm
by A_B
Shirley wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 1:53 pm
Yeah. 12! What the fuck? And he was only 24? How does someone get that fucked up that young?
Well, I can think of one common reason, but that would be pure speculation.
Shirley wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 1:53 pm
Yeah. 12! What the fuck? And he was only 24? How does someone get that fucked up that young?
Well, I can think of one common reason, but that would be pure speculation.
Good point
Re: Kevin Spacey's Career?
Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 2:21 pm
by Nonlinear FC
1) I think it's pretty likely that IF this is true, Dylan could've gotten away with it despite other folks being aware. Cosby was well-known, sure, but absolutely nothing came of it for decades. It took a handful of very strong-willed women coming forward. It's a claim from 56 years ago...
2) The Catch-22 here is that you do need some other victims to come forward to substantiate this. At a minimum, some of her relatives or friends or therapists saying that she talked about this trauma at some point in the past. I'm sure they have that, or there really wouldn't be any reason to come forward. Well, not no reason, but no real hope of getting damages.
Re: Kevin Spacey's Career?
Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 2:41 pm
by sancarlos
A couple more things come to mind:
1) I believe that back in the 1960s, people got away with this sort of shit to a greater extent, because predatory men (especially if they were powerful) were less likely to be prosecuted, and accusers were more likely to be demonized. This may be why we just hearing about it, now.
2) Others may be less likely to come forward, given that it was 50+ years ago. If they didn't tell their story by now, they may not want to relive that chapter of their life. They may have repressed the memory to some extent. They feel they have "moved on". They don't want to be interrogated and/or not believed.
Re: Kevin Spacey's Career?
Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:22 pm
by degenerasian
It's a strange accusation given the timeline. The complaint mentions it occurring over 6 weeks in April and May 1965 in New York. But based on Dylan's tour schedule, he wasn't even in New York for almost any of that period. He was on the west coast until mid-April, again in late April, and then went directly from the west coast to Europe, where was from late April until early June. There was basically just one 10-12 day period in April where he could have possibly even been in New York.
But then, that's all information that has been publicly available for years, so if it was just a frivolous claim, then you'd think the accuser would have come up with a timeline that's less easily refutable.
Re: Kevin Spacey's Career?
Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:58 pm
by A_B
The timeline implication is that it expired today so it had to be filed yesterday.
Re: Kevin Spacey's Career?
Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 11:03 pm
by EnochRoot
I remember reading that John Phillips (Mamas & the Papas) used to whore out his daughter, Mackenzie Phillips when she was like 10 or 12. I think there was innuendo involving Mick Jagger. Shit, I think John and his daugther were having a consensual, incestuous relationship when she was on One Day at a Time. Gross.
Re: Kevin Spacey's Career?
Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2021 8:52 am
by The Sybian
EnochRoot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 11:03 pm
I remember reading that John Phillips (Mamas & the Papas) used to whore out his daughter, Mackenzie Phillips when she was like 10 or 12. I think there was innuendo involving Mick Jagger. Shit, I think John and his daugther were having a consensual, incestuous relationship when she was on One Day at a Time. Gross.
Just need to go into the Family Feud vault to see proof.
Re: Kevin Spacey's Career?
Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:58 am
by Shirley
EnochRoot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 11:03 pm
I remember reading that John Phillips (Mamas & the Papas) used to whore out his daughter, Mackenzie Phillips when she was like 10 or 12. I think there was innuendo involving Mick Jagger. Shit, I think John and his daugther were having a consensual, incestuous relationship when she was on One Day at a Time. Gross.
Mn, I had not heard that before. What's with the hippie folk singers?
EnochRoot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 11:03 pm
I remember reading that John Phillips (Mamas & the Papas) used to whore out his daughter, Mackenzie Phillips when she was like 10 or 12. I think there was innuendo involving Mick Jagger. Shit, I think John and his daugther were having a consensual, incestuous relationship when she was on One Day at a Time. Gross.
Just need to go into the Family Feud vault to see proof.