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So long as she has federal protection (and seclusion), sure.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:30 pm I've been very busy today and just now got to listen to 10-15 minutes.
Holy shit.
This is incredible. Agree with degen on the point that Garland is going to indict. Don't agree she is ruined, by any stretch. She's going to have folks knocking at her door (probably already does), particularly from lobbyists that know that there's an end game to the MAGA stuff, at least in DC circles.
Not trying to hard to pull the "industry insider" ticket here, but this town has a LOT of angles. She is savvy enough to find them.
Who's gonna have her killed -- Hunter or Hillary?EnochRoot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:37 pmSo long as she has federal protection (and seclusion), sure.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:30 pm I've been very busy today and just now got to listen to 10-15 minutes.
Holy shit.
This is incredible. Agree with degen on the point that Garland is going to indict. Don't agree she is ruined, by any stretch. She's going to have folks knocking at her door (probably already does), particularly from lobbyists that know that there's an end game to the MAGA stuff, at least in DC circles.
Not trying to hard to pull the "industry insider" ticket here, but this town has a LOT of angles. She is savvy enough to find them.
Bill. It's been Bill all along.EdRomero wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:43 pmWho's gonna have her killed -- Hunter or Hillary?EnochRoot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:37 pmSo long as she has federal protection (and seclusion), sure.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:30 pm I've been very busy today and just now got to listen to 10-15 minutes.
Holy shit.
This is incredible. Agree with degen on the point that Garland is going to indict. Don't agree she is ruined, by any stretch. She's going to have folks knocking at her door (probably already does), particularly from lobbyists that know that there's an end game to the MAGA stuff, at least in DC circles.
Not trying to hard to pull the "industry insider" ticket here, but this town has a LOT of angles. She is savvy enough to find them.
Funding by George Soros, of course...EnochRoot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:09 pmBill. It's been Bill all along.EdRomero wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:43 pmWho's gonna have her killed -- Hunter or Hillary?EnochRoot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:37 pmSo long as she has federal protection (and seclusion), sure.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:30 pm I've been very busy today and just now got to listen to 10-15 minutes.
Holy shit.
This is incredible. Agree with degen on the point that Garland is going to indict. Don't agree she is ruined, by any stretch. She's going to have folks knocking at her door (probably already does), particularly from lobbyists that know that there's an end game to the MAGA stuff, at least in DC circles.
Not trying to hard to pull the "industry insider" ticket here, but this town has a LOT of angles. She is savvy enough to find them.
This is what I needed to read today.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:49 pm I'm just not down with the defeatist, nihilist shit. Not criticizing anyone, but that's just now how I'm processing this stuff.
They (the ultra-right) are not undefeatable.
I think most of us here feel this way.pruitt2 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:28 pmThis is what I needed to read today.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:49 pm I'm just not down with the defeatist, nihilist shit. Not criticizing anyone, but that's just now how I'm processing this stuff.
They (the ultra-right) are not undefeatable.
Thank you.
Are you talking about hearing his actual opinion, or the fake lies he would publicly spout in an extremely calculated way that he thinks will make him look good to Trump's base?DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:53 am I can't believe I'm going to say this...and trust me, this will be the only time....but I'd like to hear from Ted Cruz about what he thinks of his former staffer's testimony yesterday.
(I feel so dirty)
I'd just like him to go on record, either saying 'this woman was a trusted staffer to me, but now she's a liar' or 'I believe my former staffer, and Trump should be arrested this afternoon'.The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:52 pmAre you talking about hearing his actual opinion, or the fake lies he would publicly spout in an extremely calculated way that he thinks will make him look good to Trump's base?DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:53 am I can't believe I'm going to say this...and trust me, this will be the only time....but I'd like to hear from Ted Cruz about what he thinks of his former staffer's testimony yesterday.
(I feel so dirty)
Ted Cruz is currently too busy.DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:37 pmI'd just like him to go on record, either saying 'this woman was a trusted staffer to me, but now she's a liar' or 'I believe my former staffer, and Trump should be arrested this afternoon'.The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:52 pmAre you talking about hearing his actual opinion, or the fake lies he would publicly spout in an extremely calculated way that he thinks will make him look good to Trump's base?DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:53 am I can't believe I'm going to say this...and trust me, this will be the only time....but I'd like to hear from Ted Cruz about what he thinks of his former staffer's testimony yesterday.
(I feel so dirty)
But, knowing Cruz, he'll try to weasel out somehow. It would be amusing to see how he tries it.
I think his and their silence says a lot. If Hutchinson was lying, Cruz would have been on Tucker Carlson that night discrediting her.DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:37 pmI'd just like him to go on record, either saying 'this woman was a trusted staffer to me, but now she's a liar' or 'I believe my former staffer, and Trump should be arrested this afternoon'.The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:52 pmAre you talking about hearing his actual opinion, or the fake lies he would publicly spout in an extremely calculated way that he thinks will make him look good to Trump's base?DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:53 am I can't believe I'm going to say this...and trust me, this will be the only time....but I'd like to hear from Ted Cruz about what he thinks of his former staffer's testimony yesterday.
(I feel so dirty)
But, knowing Cruz, he'll try to weasel out somehow. It would be amusing to see how he tries it.
I feel like a the tide has turned after Hutchinson's testimony. I haven't watched the full day yet, but responses from Conservative outlets makes it seem like they are starting to distance themselves from Trump. Clips I've seen from FoxNews are all feigned outrage, they are "shocked!" at Trump's behavior. They had no idea how out of control he was. How he seems to have encouraged the insurrectionists! Sure, they televised it live as he stood on a microphone and commanded them to go to the Capital and prevent the delegate count, but who knew!!!degenerasian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:07 pm
I think his and their silence says a lot. If Hutchinson was lying, Cruz would have been on Tucker Carlson that night discrediting her.
The other comments I hear are, "Well, Hutchinson knew, if she knew all this, she should have done something. She's just a stinking Republican."The Sybian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:41 pmI feel like a the tide has turned after Hutchinson's testimony. I haven't watched the full day yet, but responses from Conservative outlets makes it seem like they are starting to distance themselves from Trump. Clips I've seen from FoxNews are all feigned outrage, they are "shocked!" at Trump's behavior. They had no idea how out of control he was. How he seems to have encouraged the insurrectionists! Sure, they televised it live as he stood on a microphone and commanded them to go to the Capital and prevent the delegate count, but who knew!!!degenerasian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:07 pm
I think his and their silence says a lot. If Hutchinson was lying, Cruz would have been on Tucker Carlson that night discrediting her.
Mick Mulvaney making the media rounds yesterday really pissed me off. Trying to come off as a sober voice of reason, saying he can't believe Meadows sat in "my former couch, next to my old fireplace in my office and let Trump do this." Fuck you, Mick! If you were in that office, you would have been the toadie you always were and helped Trump scheme, connive and commit fraud. He also said something to the effect of "I had no idea Trump was capable of this." Fuck you, you knew damned well. You also know about countless other lies and frauds, and you said nothing. And you wouldn't have said anything now, except you saw the tides turn and you want to rehabilitate your reputation. Fuck you. And fuck all of the former administration people condemning past acts today, while they let them happen at the time and never came forward. Especially Bill Barr. If you had an ounce of integrity, you wouldn't have let Trump carry on telling the Big Lie for 2 years until your book came out and you could profit of telling the truth.
She worked for Ted Cruz, Mark Meadows, and the Trump White House. She's a Republican.degenerasian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:55 pm Well, Is an aide really a Republican? Yeah, Mick Mulvanvy, Bill Barr, no question about that. But is an aide really a Republican or is it just a job they picked up in their career? An aide has no power to do anything, right?
I don't care if she eats live mice for breakfast. Her testimony provided a seismic shift against Trump.DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:06 pmShe worked for Ted Cruz, Mark Meadows, and the Trump White House. She's a Republican.degenerasian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:55 pm Well, Is an aide really a Republican? Yeah, Mick Mulvanvy, Bill Barr, no question about that. But is an aide really a Republican or is it just a job they picked up in their career? An aide has no power to do anything, right?
ThisEnochRoot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:34 pmI don't care if she eats live mice for breakfast. Her testimony provided a seismic shift against Trump.DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:06 pmShe worked for Ted Cruz, Mark Meadows, and the Trump White House. She's a Republican.degenerasian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:55 pm Well, Is an aide really a Republican? Yeah, Mick Mulvanvy, Bill Barr, no question about that. But is an aide really a Republican or is it just a job they picked up in their career? An aide has no power to do anything, right?
Holding a 20-something low level staffer responsible for not speaking out is like blaming a 5 yo for not calling to police on her parents for committing a crime. She wasn't in a position to influence any decisions, and if she did speak out, who would have listened or acted? She would have sabotaged her career and put her life into danger. Plus, I can't imagine a low level staffer could have understood the significance at the time it was happening. And when you are in a position like that, you assume there is a bigger picture strategy going on that you don't fully understand. And yes, she is a Republican. People that take these jobs have aspirations of bigger political roles in the Party. She probably held these morons in high regard, so she likely believed they knew what they were doing. I wonder if she still considers herself a Republican and supports the party. I still can't believe that Arizona Commissioner who talked about how horrible it was when Trump tried to bully him into pissing on the Constitution, which he holds as a parchment written by God, yet he would still vote for Trump in 2024. FFS, how do these people still follow this conman? This guy, more than anyone understands the true horror that a President tried to subvert democracy, he stood firm on his principles, and would still vote Trump!degenerasian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:55 pmThe other comments I hear are, "Well, Hutchinson knew, if she knew all this, she should have done something. She's just a stinking Republican."The Sybian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:41 pmI feel like a the tide has turned after Hutchinson's testimony. I haven't watched the full day yet, but responses from Conservative outlets makes it seem like they are starting to distance themselves from Trump. Clips I've seen from FoxNews are all feigned outrage, they are "shocked!" at Trump's behavior. They had no idea how out of control he was. How he seems to have encouraged the insurrectionists! Sure, they televised it live as he stood on a microphone and commanded them to go to the Capital and prevent the delegate count, but who knew!!!degenerasian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:07 pm
I think his and their silence says a lot. If Hutchinson was lying, Cruz would have been on Tucker Carlson that night discrediting her.
Mick Mulvaney making the media rounds yesterday really pissed me off. Trying to come off as a sober voice of reason, saying he can't believe Meadows sat in "my former couch, next to my old fireplace in my office and let Trump do this." Fuck you, Mick! If you were in that office, you would have been the toadie you always were and helped Trump scheme, connive and commit fraud. He also said something to the effect of "I had no idea Trump was capable of this." Fuck you, you knew damned well. You also know about countless other lies and frauds, and you said nothing. And you wouldn't have said anything now, except you saw the tides turn and you want to rehabilitate your reputation. Fuck you. And fuck all of the former administration people condemning past acts today, while they let them happen at the time and never came forward. Especially Bill Barr. If you had an ounce of integrity, you wouldn't have let Trump carry on telling the Big Lie for 2 years until your book came out and you could profit of telling the truth.
Well, Is an aide really a Republican? Yeah, Mick Mulvanvy, Bill Barr, no question about that. But is an aide really a Republican or is it just a job they picked up in their career? An aide has no power to do anything, right?
I'll bet money that no Secret Service agents will provide sworn testimony.
It’s basically the only hearsay she shared in her sworn statement.DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:09 pmI'll bet money that no Secret Service agents will provide sworn testimony.
Also...the whole thing about the 'trying to grab the steering wheel' is a distraction. Notice that no one is disputing anything else she has said.
I saw someone make the comment "when someone else is paying for your lawyer, that's not your lawyer"...The Sybian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:06 pm Apparently when Hutchinson first spoke to the Committee (the taped interviews played earlier in the Hearing), she was represented by attorneys provided by either the White House or Trump's team.
Yesterday I said to a friend that I was surprised Trump didn't claim Ivanka was a coffee girl he barely knew when her testimony played.DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:15 pmI saw someone make the comment "when someone else is paying for your lawyer, that's not your lawyer"...The Sybian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:06 pm Apparently when Hutchinson first spoke to the Committee (the taped interviews played earlier in the Hearing), she was represented by attorneys provided by either the White House or Trump's team.
Also, pretty much puts the lie to Trump's 'she was a hanger-on! She fetched coffee!' nonsense.
And what do you know...looks like Trump's SUV meltdown was an open secret in the Secret Service...EnochRoot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:13 pmIt’s basically the only hearsay she shared in her sworn statement.DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:09 pmI'll bet money that no Secret Service agents will provide sworn testimony.
Also...the whole thing about the 'trying to grab the steering wheel' is a distraction. Notice that no one is disputing anything else she has said.
NY Times article wrote:Former I.R.S. officials and tax lawyers said that given the array of reforms imposed on the agency after the Watergate scandal, they believed it would be difficult for a president or an appointee to direct an audit at a political opponent.
But the officials and lawyers said that because Mr. Trump repeatedly tried to use the powers of the federal government against his rivals and to overturn the election, and because the I.R.S. conducted an extensive audit on two people whom he routinely pushed to have prosecuted, the tax inspector general or Congress should investigate the circumstances.