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Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:54 pm
by brian
mister d wrote:Mets top minor league team in Vegas was dumb on literally every possible level.
For what it's worth, the Mets were left without a choice after the previous round of musical chairs. I'm betting here that Las Vegas tries to get the Padres or Dodgers back (two previous affiliations with LV), which would mean assuming no other changes that Washington would be in Oklahoma City (LA) or El Paso (SD).
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:01 pm
by mister d
They would have been better putting the players up in a hotel in Queens and having them scrimmage at Citi every day.
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:14 pm
by brian
I'm hoping those overhangs extend a little further than it appears from this picture. It is no fun sitting in 110 degree heat and watching baseball, especially if you're even close to being in the sun.
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:49 pm
by Steve of phpBB
brian wrote:I'm hoping those overhangs extend a little further than it appears from this picture. It is no fun sitting in 110 degree heat and watching baseball, especially if you're even close to being in the sun.
True, but will they even have any day games? Maybe a couple in April?
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:43 pm
by brian
It’s usually still close to the daytime high at 7pm. Maybe 105 instead of 110.
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:44 pm
by brian
(That said I assume they’re orienting the stadium for maximum shade for night games.)
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:00 pm
by Steve of phpBB
brian wrote:(That said I assume they’re orienting the stadium for maximum shade for night games.)
Plus, with a seven o'clock start, you're only an hour before the latest sunset anyway.
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:10 pm
by bfj
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:16 pm
by Rex
Just a programming note, since I don't know anyone who doesn't love this stuff:
https://twitter.com/GAFollowers/status/ ... 5813591040
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:33 pm
by Ryan
They should do it with Hammer
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:12 pm
by Pruitt
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:18 am
by A_B
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:23 am
by Ryan
LAME
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:14 am
by Rex
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:42 am
by Pruitt
A fine way to throw $214 million into the sewer.
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:46 am
by Johnny Carwash
Early '90s architecture did not age well there. That thing stuck out more than stadiums from the '70s.
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:51 am
by Pruitt
Johnny Carwash wrote:Early '90s architecture did not age well there. That thing stuck out more than stadiums from the '70s.
Yep.
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:29 am
by sancarlos
The Shark Tank in San Jose is an ugly building, but at least it's still going strong.
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:25 am
by drchuck
Posting simply because I can see this being the first soccer-specific stadium in the United States to be imploded, and I'm mad as hell at the mere thought.
Showing back up here with an axe to grind. Sorry.
chuck
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:34 am
by rass
whoa
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:36 am
by tennbengal
Chuck's return makes me so happy. Well done, twitter.
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:30 pm
by Sabo
drchuck wrote:Posting simply because I can see this being the first soccer-specific stadium in the United States to be imploded, and I'm mad as hell at the mere thought.
Showing back up here with an axe to grind. Sorry.
chuck
Well, the stadium is self imploding. I was at the Crew game where the scoreboard caught on fire a couple of years ago.
But yeah, Anthony Precourt is a piece of shit. I'd love to go to a Crew game and be seated near him and just yell "You're an asshole *clap**clap**clapclapclap*" at him all game long.
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:09 pm
by sancarlos
tennbengal wrote:Chuck's return makes me so happy. Well done, twitter.
Welcome back!
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:01 pm
by drchuck
Sabo wrote:Well, the stadium is self imploding. I was at the Crew game where the scoreboard caught on fire a couple of years ago.
But yeah, Anthony Precourt is a piece of shit. I'd love to go to a Crew game and be seated near him and just yell "You're an asshole *clap**clap**clapclapclap*" at him all game long.
see, I hear all that about the stadium's age and weakness and yet I am still jealous of my grandparents talking history of sports in Cleveland and at Ohio State; I'm just going "who's going to invest to maintain its history"
and if we're honest about it there haven't been enough people in Columbus stepping up before now; that's what gives a tool like Precourt the room to operate
but I have it on good authority that, among a few old acquaintances there, the chant of choice will be "fuck you Precourt" *clap* *clap* *clapclapclap*
which, hey, couldn't be said of a nicer guy
chuck [and a side of "fuck you, Garber" too]
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:34 am
by Steve of phpBB
I don't think it would be terrible if "new" Comiskey Park was imploded either.
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:22 am
by Rex
I think the league is making a terrible mistake with this, but I think there is more to this than the usual rich guys trying to extract public money for sport. I suspect that quite a few people in the league view the teams that were early SSS adapters as a bit of an anchor for the league since many of those stadiums are small and poorly located. Or maybe they view the original/early franchises as an anchor in general because they are hard to market in the MLS 3.0 mold. The common thread with the newer expansion teams is that they were all able to whip up a lot of local enthusiasm in a way that wasn't possible in 1997, and they could use that enthusiasm as leverage to get a better stadium situation than was possible 15-20 years ago. In each case the local enthusiasm was organic. I don't think it can be recreated with Columbus or Chicago or Denver or Dallas or Boston unless you start all over again. Columbus isn't the worst of these (in fact it's probably the best), but it just happens to be an available opportunity to trade in a 1.0/2.0 situation for a potential 3.0 situation.
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:15 am
by tennbengal
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:43 am
by drchuck
Rex wrote:I think the league is making a terrible mistake with this, but I think there is more to this than the usual rich guys trying to extract public money for sport. I suspect that quite a few people in the league view the teams that were early SSS adapters as a bit of an anchor for the league since many of those stadiums are small and poorly located. Or maybe they view the original/early franchises as an anchor in general because they are hard to market in the MLS 3.0 mold. The common thread with the newer expansion teams is that they were all able to whip up a lot of local enthusiasm in a way that wasn't possible in 1997, and they could use that enthusiasm as leverage to get a better stadium situation than was possible 15-20 years ago. In each case the local enthusiasm was organic. I don't think it can be recreated with Columbus or Chicago or Denver or Dallas or Boston unless you start all over again. Columbus isn't the worst of these (in fact it's probably the best), but it just happens to be an available opportunity to trade in a 1.0/2.0 situation for a potential 3.0 situation.
My one problem with this thinking is pitting the mentality of those usual rich guys with that of Lamar Hunt, who's the guy who made that made that stadium happen, and with his own coin to boot - not with a dime of public money.
Turning their back on the idea of Columbus Crew Stadium and its place in American soccer history (lest we forget the original La Guerra Fria and all of the dos-a-cero games that followed), and on the vision of Lamar Hunt to MAKE that stadium happen, is corrosive to the point of destruction, and will end my support of MLS and likely institutional American soccer with it. I can drive down to Knoxville and watch a small independent club that cares about its community instead.
To put it another way: MLS is in the process of proving the jerks like Westervelt who preach promotion/relegation and death to all other models right if they follow through with this. It's the worst possible PR look, and caring about a lick of history means you don't follow through with it. Which obviously means I'm resigned to MLS following through with it.
https://twitter.com/AleMorenoESPN/statu ... 0157275136chuck [up the Scruffy City Syndicate]
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:06 am
by tennbengal
So I guess you are anti-relegation system for US Soccer? Because, hard disagree.
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:34 am
by drchuck
tennbengal wrote:So I guess you are anti-relegation system for US Soccer? Because, hard disagree.
Up to last month I would have told you the system that gave us MLS was going to be the system that would best preserve top-level soccer, not just in the big markets but in places like Columbus that were less fashionable, and provide for the development of markets like Louisville and Cincinnati that can support the game at major-league levels. We'd lose the excitement of competitive promotion and relegation, but we'd gain stability for all.
Anthony Precourt undermined that entire argument in one fell swoop, and there are a HOST of us who were very willing to support these moneymen who are now feeling completely abandoned. (And not just in Columbus - there's a community that supported previous Austin efforts at USL that DO NOT WANT THIS AT ALL.) Up to this point, as flawed as the MLS structure has been, it had shown the discipline necessary to last for the long haul, and to survive the USMNT collapse. If the Columbus Crew is uprooted for Austin, MLS turns into the new NASL immediately, and other original MLS markets - San Jose, Dallas, Kansas City, possibly even D.C. - are IMMEDIATELY at risk similarly.
I'm watching Peter Wilt's
NISA with more and more interest every day, and I might want to be on board with that.
chuck [seriously though never follow @soccerreform that guy is a complete tool]
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:43 am
by Rex
Chuck, I think the solution to the problem I described is to have a big tent MLS, either with several divisions and promotion/relegation or an NCAA model with a bunch of conferences playing into a national tournament. The whole point of a pro soccer league in the US is to give people a chance to root for the home team. Because there is now no shortage of European/international soccer available on TV and the internet, and it’s quite obvious that much of it is a far better product than anything in the US can hope to offer. But the one thing that the Barcas and Bayerns and Manchesters do not offer us is the chance to be season ticket holders and go to games all the time. Very similar to how NCAA football and basketball are popular not because they are the pinnacle of the sport—far from it—but because there is always a team nearby and they provide an outlet for people’s tribal/provincial side. So it would be a horrible idea to artificially limit the number of places in the US that can enjoy MLS in this way.
Of course, it is an even worse idea to take a club that has actually built something in its city, and has a history and is perfectly viable, and blow that up. Among other things, it will make it that much harder to start all over again in that city. It also suggests that they really do not understand what they are offering to people and what their product is all about.
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:10 am
by drchuck
Rex wrote:Chuck, I think the solution to the problem I described is to have a big tent MLS, either with several divisions and promotion/relegation or an NCAA model with a bunch of conferences playing into a national tournament...
I'd be down, Rex. Completely.
Anthony Precourt is showing you how much he's interested in such a thing, and Don Garber is backing him. I honestly guarantee you MLS would bail on the Open Cup if they felt like they could, bail on international soccer if they felt like they could, go full Rogue NASL if they felt like they could.
Practically, I think MLS' status quo is the best solution we can hope for. And we're not even guaranteed that.
chuck [a.k.a. Dr. Buzzkill]
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:59 am
by Pruitt
Ongoing Issues With London Olympic StadiumTurning the stadium into a football venue after the Olympics cost £323m rather than the projected £190m, which the review regarded as "unrealistic". In their own early bid to take over the running of the venue, Tottenham Hotspur said it would cost around £320m to knock the Olympic Stadium down and build a football-specific one on the same site.
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:18 am
by Baloney
Spurs don't have a good record on pricing stadiums though so that's not a good barometer
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... ts-9983339
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:25 am
by Pruitt
Yikes!
It would be interesting to see just how much money has been spent on stadiums in London since the new wembley opened. Tally would be in the billions...
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:01 am
by Baloney
You can't include the Emirates Stadium in that calculation because it opened before Wembley, so it would only be the Olympic/City of London Stadium & Spurs new Stadium, but it would still be over a billion, with Chelsea's eyesore still to come
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:10 am
by degenerasian
Baloney wrote:You can't include the Emirates Stadium in that calculation because it opened before Wembley, so it would only be the Olympic/City of London Stadium & Spurs new Stadium, but it would still be over a billion, with Chelsea's eyesore still to come
There are smaller new stadiums being built in London as well. Brentford, Wimbledon and Millwall are in the process.
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:14 am
by Pruitt
Wembley's costs are near a billon POUNDS!
Olympic stadium (including conversion) at 900 million.
Twickenham stadium enhancements 80 million.
Spurs at 300-400 million...
Rhetorical question here - but who would ever believe the cost estimates that are given when a new stadium is planned?
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:07 pm
by Baloney
The Rams/Chargers stadium is estimated at $2.66 billion, odds of final cost north of $3 billion?
Re: Stadium/arena/ballpark general thread
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:18 pm
by DSafetyGuy
Baloney wrote:The Rams/Chargers stadium is estimated at $2.66 billion, odds of final cost north of $3 billion?
Please be sure to factor in that an exceptionally heavy, out-of-season rainstorm forced the opening to be delayed by a year, including pushing back the Super Bowl being there.
