Gay Marriage

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 2:49 pm

I got this email from World Vision today. They're not gonna like my prayer request...

Send us your prayer requests and praises today.

Dear Kyle,

At World Vision, we believe prayer changes things. So every year, we set aside a special day of prayer to thank God for His blessings and ask for His guidance for the future. On October 1st, our staff and supporters around the world will gather to pray for the children and families we serve, as well as for our caring friends like you who make this work possible.

How can we pray for you? We appreciate all that you're doing for children around the world, and it would be an honor to lift up your prayers and praises — for yourself, your family, your community, or anything else that may be on your heart.

Please send us your prayer requests and praises today. And thank you once again for your generous gifts and your ongoing prayers for Coumba and her community.

May God bless you,

Rich Stearns
President, World Vision U.S.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 3:14 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote:The Seventh Circuit also ruled today that gay marriage bans are unconstitutional.

The case was only argued last Tuesday. That is amazingly fast for an appellate court.

I am very curious to read this opinion. Do you know if Posner wrote it? He is fantastic, arguably the greatest legal mind out there. A Reagan appointee, he used to be considered very Conservative, but he hates the GOP more than I do as he used to be in line with the GOP. Anywho, from what I read last week, the LGBT community got a huge break in this case, as the 3 judges appointed were the 3 most sympathetic judges to their cause. The 7th has some very Conservative judges, so assignment was critical to the outcome.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 3:21 pm

The Sybian wrote:
Steve of phpBB wrote:The Seventh Circuit also ruled today that gay marriage bans are unconstitutional.

The case was only argued last Tuesday. That is amazingly fast for an appellate court.
I am very curious to read this opinion. Do you know if Posner wrote it? He is fantastic, arguably the greatest legal mind out there. A Reagan appointee, he used to be considered very Conservative, but he hates the GOP more than I do as he used to be in line with the GOP. Anywho, from what I read last week, the LGBT community got a huge break in this case, as the 3 judges appointed were the 3 most sympathetic judges to their cause. The 7th has some very Conservative judges, so assignment was critical to the outcome.

Look at you, all up on the appellate court judges, LAW SCHOOL BROWN NOSER!

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 3:26 pm

govmentchedda wrote:
The Sybian wrote:
Steve of phpBB wrote:The Seventh Circuit also ruled today that gay marriage bans are unconstitutional.

The case was only argued last Tuesday. That is amazingly fast for an appellate court.
I am very curious to read this opinion. Do you know if Posner wrote it? He is fantastic, arguably the greatest legal mind out there. A Reagan appointee, he used to be considered very Conservative, but he hates the GOP more than I do as he used to be in line with the GOP. Anywho, from what I read last week, the LGBT community got a huge break in this case, as the 3 judges appointed were the 3 most sympathetic judges to their cause. The 7th has some very Conservative judges, so assignment was critical to the outcome.
Look at you, all up on the appellate court judges, LAW SCHOOL BROWN NOSER!

Somewhere out there is a picture of Ninth Circuit Judge Kozinski with a bunch of my law school friends, at a Halloween party at our house, with me flipping off the camera. That is my brush with Jurisprudential fame.

I think Posner wrote the opinion but I'm not sure. I tried to log onto TPM to get the link, but there was so much crap on the front page that I gave up waiting for it to load.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 3:27 pm

Posner clips from the hearing. Man, is he abusing the attorney representing Wisconsin. I feel bad for the guy. Basically, he has no response, and Posner doesn't let him even begin his feeble attempts to argue the harm to society of allowing gay marriage. I would guess the attorney personally believes in allowing gay marriage, because his heart certainly isn't in it. Best moment is while Posner is reaming him out, the attorney cuts him off to point out that the yellow light is flashing, indicating the State's time is running out. Another Judge tells him that the yellow light won't save him. Court room laughs, Posner continues reaming.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 3:45 pm

Holy shit, his tone is amazing.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 4:10 pm

The Sybian wrote:Posner clips from the hearing. Man, is he abusing the attorney representing Wisconsin. I feel bad for the guy. Basically, he has no response, and Posner doesn't let him even begin his feeble attempts to argue the harm to society of allowing gay marriage. I would guess the attorney personally believes in allowing gay marriage, because his heart certainly isn't in it. Best moment is while Posner is reaming him out, the attorney cuts him off to point out that the yellow light is flashing, indicating the State's time is running out. Another Judge tells him that the yellow light won't save him. Court room laughs, Posner continues reaming.

This guy is great. Why can't we get SCOTUS judges like this?

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:47 pm

Jerloma wrote:
The Sybian wrote:Posner clips from the hearing. Man, is he abusing the attorney representing Wisconsin. I feel bad for the guy. Basically, he has no response, and Posner doesn't let him even begin his feeble attempts to argue the harm to society of allowing gay marriage. I would guess the attorney personally believes in allowing gay marriage, because his heart certainly isn't in it. Best moment is while Posner is reaming him out, the attorney cuts him off to point out that the yellow light is flashing, indicating the State's time is running out. Another Judge tells him that the yellow light won't save him. Court room laughs, Posner continues reaming.
This guy is great. Why can't we get SCOTUS judges like this?

We do. Scalia. But he works in reverse. On social issues, logic and reason take a backseat to ideology and what would a Pope from the Middle Ages do?

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:50 am

The Sybian wrote:Posner clips from the hearing. Man, is he abusing the attorney representing Wisconsin. I feel bad for the guy. Basically, he has no response, and Posner doesn't let him even begin his feeble attempts to argue the harm to society of allowing gay marriage. I would guess the attorney personally believes in allowing gay marriage, because his heart certainly isn't in it. Best moment is while Posner is reaming him out, the attorney cuts him off to point out that the yellow light is flashing, indicating the State's time is running out. Another Judge tells him that the yellow light won't save him. Court room laughs, Posner continues reaming.

This is fucking fantastic.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:03 am

BSF21 wrote:
The Sybian wrote:Posner clips from the hearing. Man, is he abusing the attorney representing Wisconsin. I feel bad for the guy. Basically, he has no response, and Posner doesn't let him even begin his feeble attempts to argue the harm to society of allowing gay marriage. I would guess the attorney personally believes in allowing gay marriage, because his heart certainly isn't in it. Best moment is while Posner is reaming him out, the attorney cuts him off to point out that the yellow light is flashing, indicating the State's time is running out. Another Judge tells him that the yellow light won't save him. Court room laughs, Posner continues reaming.
This is fucking fantastic.

Without "the Bible says..." there really is no argument, and for obvious reasons, the attorney can't make that argument. I really feel bad for the guy, as he is tasked with defending the laws written by his state's legislature, regardless of how Unconstitutional it is. The real problem is that way too many state Congressmen fail to see the problem with legislating their interpretation of the Bible.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:26 am

I got a mad hot take on that. May need to save it for Rants thread.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:03 am

A couple weeks ago, 538 posted this.

A couple weeks later it is already outdated because Arizona and Alaska are the latest to fall.

Also, this is funny:

Bensell · Post by **Bensell** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 12:08 pm

This sets up a Supreme Court showdown in the near future as it goes against so many other recent rulings:

A federal appeals court on Thursday brought to an end the extraordinary winning streak enjoyed by same-sex marriage advocates, ruling 2-1 in favor of four states letting voters decide whether to keep their gay-marriage bans intact.

Ohio, Kentucky, Michigan and Tennessee had each argued before the U.S. 6th Circuit Court of Appeals panel Aug. 6 that their bans should stand unless voters decide to nix them. Thursday's written ruling marked the first loss for marriage-equality advocates since the U.S. Supreme Court last June struck down part of the federal Defense of Marriage Act, which defined marriage as between a man and a woman.

Judges Jeffrey S. Sutton and Deborah L. Cook, both of whom were appointed by President George W. Bush, were the deciding votes on the matter. Sutton, who wrote the opinion, implied that same-sex marriage ultimately should be legal, but that voters should be given the chance to reverse their states' bans.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:26 pm

Bensell wrote:This sets up a Supreme Court showdown in the near future as it goes against so many other recent rulings:

A federal appeals court on Thursday brought to an end the extraordinary winning streak enjoyed by same-sex marriage advocates, ruling 2-1 in favor of four states letting voters decide whether to keep their gay-marriage bans intact.

Ohio, Kentucky, Michigan and Tennessee had each argued before the U.S. 6th Circuit Court of Appeals panel Aug. 6 that their bans should stand unless voters decide to nix them. Thursday's written ruling marked the first loss for marriage-equality advocates since the U.S. Supreme Court last June struck down part of the federal Defense of Marriage Act, which defined marriage as between a man and a woman.

Judges Jeffrey S. Sutton and Deborah L. Cook, both of whom were appointed by President George W. Bush, were the deciding votes on the matter. Sutton, who wrote the opinion, implied that same-sex marriage ultimately should be legal, but that voters should be given the chance to reverse their states' bans.

If this goes to a referendum, there will need to be some court rulings on what constitutes hate speech, as there will be TV ads that will portray Gays as being the worst kind of depraved maniacs.

Oh man...

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:24 am

In a state where same-sex marriage is legal and capital punishment is not, some guy is trying to get this on the ballot for the next election...

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:42 am

howard · Post by **howard** » Tue Mar 03, 2015 1:10 pm

This is how I learned what that word meant. (Same album as Basketball Jones.)

Does this stuff hold up? (Aside from the homophobia.) Cause I laugh just as hard as I did when this came out and I was 16yo.

"You already did, that's why you're in trouble now!"

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:08 pm

The governor of Kentucky thinks that the gay marriage ban isn't discriminatory because straight people can't get gay married either.

"Kentucky’s marriage laws treat homosexuals and heterosexuals the same and are facially neutral. Men and women, whether heterosexual or homosexual, are free to marry persons of the opposite sex under Kentucky law, and men and women, whether heterosexual or homosexual, cannot marry persons of the same sex under Kentucky law," the Democratic governor said in a brief filed with the Supreme Court on March 27.

Yup.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:13 pm

You're free to worship in whatever religious building you want, as long as you worship Jesus.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Thu May 28, 2015 10:32 pm

This is a fascinating debate on gay marriage from 1974. A sort of mock trial show on PBS. I am probably naive here, but I am surprised that a debate about legalizing gay marriages was broadcast on TV (even if it was PBS) 40 years ago. If you watch nothing else, the witnesses opposed to gay marriage are fantastic. A sociology professor at the 33 minute mark uses logic so flawed it hurts. His ultimate argument is that allowing gay marriage is a threat to the propagation of the human race, as people may flock to homosexuality if gay marriage was legally recognized. The cross examination ridiculed him, and his dead serious and fearful reply was, "but what if I'm right?" As unbelievably preposterous as it is to believe everyone would instantly turn gay, if this happened, wouldn't people fuck the opposite sex once in a while to make babies? Is there any conceivable way a person can believe everyone would instantly marry same gendered spouses without that person being gay and in denial?

The lawyer advocating against gay marriage is cringeworthy. He asked the Lesbian activist if a same sex marriage would declare a consistent "head of household" that remained constant, like a hetero marriage. She ripped him for being outdated and the audience laughed at him, and he clearly had no clue his comment was fucked up.

The ultimate is Dr. Charles Socarides, who I didn't know much about. I am now fascinated with reading about this guy. He was a psychiatrist who dedicated his career to curing homosexuality. His first point in the debate is that "the homosexual is the product of very, very bad child rearing." Before hearing this comment, I saw that his son is gay, and was appointed by Clinton to advise on gay rights issues. The Doctor formed some society for Gay Conversion Therapy, and in a 1995 profile, the NY Times said "Socarides offered the closest thing to hope that many gay people had in the 1960s: the prospect of a cure." I guess when all of the laughable arguments like these fell away, religion filled the void.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Fri May 29, 2015 9:28 am

I love shit like that. Unfortunately, we haven't come too far. Here's Marco Rubio saying something stupid.

We are at the water’s edge of the argument that mainstream Christian teaching is hate speech because today we’ve reached the point in our society where if you do not support same-sex marriage, you are labeled a homophobe and a hater. So what’s the next step after that? After they’re done going after individuals, the next step is to argue that the teachings of mainstream Christianity, the catechism of the Catholic Church, is hate speech. That’s a real and present danger.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:13 am

Legal nationwide.

5-4 decision by the SCOTUS. No link yet but it's on your TV right now, I'm sure.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:21 am

This is a fun few days for the SC.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:22 am

Who is excited for some Scallia dissent?!?!? Just me??

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:23 am

Johnnie wrote:Legal nationwide.

5-4 decision by the SCOTUS. No link yet but it's on your TV right now, I'm sure.

Between the Rebel Flag stuff, the Obamacare decision, and now this the streets will flow with the sweet, sweet tears of Religious Conservatives everywhere...

howard · Post by **howard** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:27 am

SC confirms barn door is indeed not only open, but has been smashed, and it would be fucking retarded for us to try and pretend we can close it.

Maybe we're not totally fucked after all.

(nah, we are. but this is pretty great news regardless of tardiness. Let me go out and find a lesbian to kiss.)

Two minutes of CNN and I can take no more. Maybe freep will be good for a laugh.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:32 am

On the radio a couple months ago, I heard Jerry Springer say something like, "history has shown that, in the end, the liberal point of view usually wins"

In other words, suck it backwards losers. Some nice examples lately, for sure.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:33 am

I suppose it's been a roller coaster kind of week for Confederate Fags?

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:35 am

Ryan wrote:On the radio a couple months ago, I heard Jerry Springer say something like, "history has shown that, in the end, the liberal point of view usually wins"

... and the next generation of conservatives retroactively claims it wasn't a liberal POV, but something totally obvious.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:35 am

BSF21 wrote:Who is excited for some Scallia dissent?!?!? Just me??

So frothing. They may need to put guards on the majority when in chambers.

howard · Post by **howard** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:38 am

Ryan wrote:On the radio a couple months ago, I heard Jerry Springer say something like, "history has shown that, in the end, the liberal point of view usually wins"

You know, this has been my bias. But it has been sorely tested in recent decades. I mistakenly expected a relatively straight line, relative at least to my lifespan. This is a very interesting assertion, if true, the ups and downs can be a bitch.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:40 am

This would be a pretty amazing day for facebook stats. Unfriends, usages of certain words and pics, all that.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:41 am

The sad undertone that is being missed right now is that 4 out of 9 people on that court would still rather deny a human the right to happiness based on the fact that they think 2 boys or 2 girls fucking is icky.

...just focus on the positives BSF....focus on the positives....

teeteebee · Post by **teeteebee** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:42 am

Score one for the lawyers.

Gay marriages mean eventual gay divorces.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:43 am

why would anyone marry a woman now? (did i type that out loud?)

howard · Post by **howard** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:43 am

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:45 am

BSF21 wrote:The sad undertone that is being missed right now is that 4 out of 9 people on that court would still rather deny a human the right to happiness based on the fact that they think 2 boys or 2 girls fucking is icky.

...just focus on the positives BSF....focus on the positives....

Just think of it as a 56-44 popular vote landslide

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:45 am

From Dr Jill Biden's twitter account just now:

oe is running through the halls with a rainbow flagged tied on like a cape high fiving everyone.

Pictures, dammit! I need to see a picture of that!

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:46 am

The Pride parades/events this weekend are going to be Fabulous!

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:47 am

Ryan wrote:
BSF21 wrote:The sad undertone that is being missed right now is that 4 out of 9 people on that court would still rather deny a human the right to happiness based on the fact that they think 2 boys or 2 girls fucking is icky.

...just focus on the positives BSF....focus on the positives....
Just think of it as a 56-44 popular vote landslide

That's even worse that 44 out of 100 would seek to deny people. I think I'll stick with thinking that 4 bitter old men can't come to grips with the fact that it's not 1950 anymore.