The Swamp

DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 6:29 pm I'm curious as to how much longer the local affiliate will stay with Giants-Raiders when Cowboys-Eagles is right there.

Johnnie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 9:11 pm There was a real "ball don't lie" feel to the Cowboys getting sacked and commiting a penalty or whatever after that bullshit roughing the passer call.

tennbengal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:44 am So...

I mean, it's 8 games and all but...

Carolina really took four months of deep comprehensive study to decide to draft a leprachaun at #1 overall and passed up on Stroud and what not.

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:48 am

tennbengal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:44 am So...

I mean, it's 8 games and all but...

Carolina really took four months of deep comprehensive study to decide to draft a leprachaun at #1 overall and passed up on Stroud and what not.

BUT HE LOVES BALL

I understand his sideline throws all died on him at Alabama but people follow him into battle. He should be Secretary of War, honestly.

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:48 am

tennbengal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:44 am So...

I mean, it's 8 games and all but...

Carolina really took four months of deep comprehensive study to decide to draft a leprachaun at #1 overall and passed up on Stroud and what not.

BUT HE LOVES BALL

I understand his sideline throws all died on him at Alabama but people follow him into battle. He should be Secretary of War, honestly.

Pruitt IV wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 11:30 am Doom, gloom in Orchard Park.

A shell of a defence plays lights out, and the vaunted offense takes 2 1/2 quarters to wake the fuck up. #dorseyout

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 5:00 pm

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 3:40 pm

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 3:12 pm

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 2:39 pm

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 1:21 pm

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 11:17 am It seems to me that Tua absolutely led Hill into that strip-six TD by the Chiefs. If you’re not going to look off the DBs, then you at least have to recognize the ones that are poised to bury your WR in the flat.

nah, that's just a great play by McDuffie. there was a blocker specifically designed to take him out. he just recognized the play soon enough to beat it. can't put that on Tua there unless you think he's a mind reader

They were showing press coverage before the snap. It’s up to Tua to either look the defender out of Hill’s area or abandon the play.

Sorry, but that’s on Tua.

the play's timing doesn't have a margin to "look the defender out of Hill's area"



sometimes defenders make good plays, sometimes players miss blocks and sometimes good players fumble. this is a low-risk play that rolled snake eyes. that happens once in a while.

Low risk play? Hill got blown the hell up and the ball went 75 yards in the opposite direction. Sure, the Chiefs made a great play call, and yeah, their defenders blew up the Dolphins’ blocking assignments, but that doesn’t mean Tua shouldn’t have recognized the potential for danger. If Tua didn’t have the time to look the defender out of press coverage, then it’s on him to either audible out, checkdown or call a timeout. Throwing into that mess got the results that it deserved.

The Chiefs play more press than any team in the NFL, year in and year out. The idea is that they block those guys and it’s a housecall. Otherwise why even call it against them?

tennbengal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:44 am So...

I mean, it's 8 games and all but...

Carolina really took four months of deep comprehensive study to decide to draft a leprachaun at #1 overall and passed up on Stroud and what not.

tennbengal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:52 amThe Stroud thing was just so weird to me because...his last game against Georgia was absolute fire full of NFL throws against what was basically an NFL defense. And throws on the move and what not. We literally just all saw him be an NFL qb. And then two months later he had red flags. The draft process is so bizarre.

Shirley wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 1:21 pm

tennbengal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:52 amThe Stroud thing was just so weird to me because...his last game against Georgia was absolute fire full of NFL throws against what was basically an NFL defense. And throws on the move and what not. We literally just all saw him be an NFL qb. And then two months later he had red flags. The draft process is so bizarre.

Let's not get carried away. He was drafted #2 overall, right?

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 1:55 pm So three (Young, Murray, Mayfield) of the last 5 QBs taken #1 overall haven't been of ideal QB size and the two (Lawrence, Burrow) that were are way ahead, right? If you go back further, the size = franchise QB thing falls apart, but it might be a lesson in not ignoring it.

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 11:56 am

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 5:00 pm The Chiefs play more press than any team in the NFL, year in and year out. The idea is that they block those guys and it’s a housecall. Otherwise why even call it against them?

That’s also a good question. My point remains that Tua won’t become an elite QB until he recognizes the danger in how that play was evolving before the snap. They had two timeouts and the situation clearly called for a reset.

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:39 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 1:55 pm So three (Young, Murray, Mayfield) of the last 5 QBs taken #1 overall haven't been of ideal QB size and the two (Lawrence, Burrow) that were are way ahead, right? If you go back further, the size = franchise QB thing falls apart, but it might be a lesson in not ignoring it.

I feel that Young is separated from Mayfield and Murray given the scheme differences. and Bryce was the best offensive player on the field in every game he was in. that's significant when you go to a school like Alabama.

while Stroud looks like he's going to be a star, I think Young is also a product of his environment to an extent at this point. to me, the argument against trading up for him is more about giving up a very good WR like DJ Moore than it is about drafting Young. that could change, obviously

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:55 pm

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 11:56 am

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 5:00 pm The Chiefs play more press than any team in the NFL, year in and year out. The idea is that they block those guys and it’s a housecall. Otherwise why even call it against them?

That’s also a good question. My point remains that Tua won’t become an elite QB until he recognizes the danger in how that play was evolving before the snap. They had two timeouts and the situation clearly called for a reset.

the play was very likely called for the coverage. it's impossible to call plays in a football game if you're guarding against an extremely low percentage outcome on every snap

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 11:56 am That’s also a good question. My point remains that Tua won’t become an elite QB until he recognizes the danger in how that play was evolving before the snap. They had two timeouts and the situation clearly called for a reset.

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:02 am

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:55 pm

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 11:56 am

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 5:00 pm The Chiefs play more press than any team in the NFL, year in and year out. The idea is that they block those guys and it’s a housecall. Otherwise why even call it against them?

That’s also a good question. My point remains that Tua won’t become an elite QB until he recognizes the danger in how that play was evolving before the snap. They had two timeouts and the situation clearly called for a reset.

the play was very likely called for the coverage. it's impossible to call plays in a football game if you're guarding against an extremely low percentage outcome on every snap

So there’s really nothing to discuss here if you think McDaniel called because of this coverage. Cuz that means McDaniel’s even worse at in-game adjustments as previously thought, considering Hill was who the Chiefs were targeting. The fact that play got blown up should surprise nobody.

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:10 am

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:02 am

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:55 pm

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 11:56 am

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 5:00 pm The Chiefs play more press than any team in the NFL, year in and year out. The idea is that they block those guys and it’s a housecall. Otherwise why even call it against them?

That’s also a good question. My point remains that Tua won’t become an elite QB until he recognizes the danger in how that play was evolving before the snap. They had two timeouts and the situation clearly called for a reset.

the play was very likely called for the coverage. it's impossible to call plays in a football game if you're guarding against an extremely low percentage outcome on every snap

So there’s really nothing to discuss here if you think McDaniel called because of this coverage. Cuz that means McDaniel’s even worse at in-game adjustments as previously thought, considering Hill was who the Chiefs were targeting. The fact that play got blown up should surprise nobody.

I guess at this point just go ahead and think this.

So there’s really nothing to discuss here if you think McDaniel called this gadget, behind the LoS pass because of this coverage. Cuz that means McDaniel’s even worse at in-game adjustments as previously thought, considering Hill was who the Chiefs were targeting. The fact that play got blown up should’ve surprised no one, considering teams that give the Fins fits these past two seasons have been blowing up their receivers at the line to disrupt Tua’s timing.