Re: Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?
Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:20 pm
It's the sixth version of The Swamp. What could possibly go wrong?
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You can book that. 100% correct. There is a many-decades long losing streak not about to be broken.brian wrote:I can help you out there.Pruitt wrote:These cops are acting like jack-booted thugs, and it will be interesting to revisit this thread 6 months from now to see what the consequences have been.
None. There will be none.
When I was 10yo, two years after the Watts riot, we were ready to bug out from south central. Mom and dad had gone to school in order to acquire better jobs, they had saved every penny in order to make a down payment in a new community. Dad studied computer science in night school, mom took some accounting classes at JC while we were in school during the day to add bookkeeping to her set of secretarial skillz. So armed, dad started interviewing for the higher paying jobs, while mom considered neighborhoods in the San Fernando Valley inner band of suburbs that only recently began allowing black people to obtain mortgages.Rex wrote:The demographic angle that perhaps only I find interesting:
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The prison industrial complex funds Democrats every bit as lavishly as it does Republicans. Yay, two party system.Shirley wrote:I have this dream that Obama would see this situation and realize that it has given him an opportunity to do something that could actually give him a shot as being seen as a great president. As a black man, this is a chance to actually help the black communities in this country and make an actual, measurable, positive change.
He should come out and say that he is officially ending the War on Drugs. We lost this war. We lost it long ago. All it has done is help perpetuate and feed the awful cycle of violence, poverty and incarceration in our poor, urban (and largely black) communities.
He could decriminalize marijuana at a federal level and push for the same at state levels - using states like Colorado as an example that it works.
He should also push to repeal mandatory minimum sentence laws and massively defund the DEA and other drug enforcement groups. Hopefully this would help demilitarize our police, as they would get less funding for fighting drug gangs and there should be less NEED to fight drug gangs, as legalization/decriminalization will eliminate a lot of the violence.
This would obviously also help Mexico with it's massive struggles against their drug cartels.
Additionally, if we didn't put such a massive percentage of our poor in jail, maybe some of them would actually fill a lot of the jobs that we currently need to fill with immigrants.
It just seems like this change could have positive affects in so many areas.
A man can dream.
I'm sure some people think it's OK for the cops to execute people for stealing cigars, but undoubtedly that's not a large number.Brontoburglar wrote:I'm fascinated to see how today's developments change the narrative regarding this situation
howard wrote:After he learned to program, he became more involved in designing and planning for this expanding system throughout California that was the sine qua non of suburban and exurban growth.
Yeah, I didn't even list that nightmare as another reason to end the War on Drugs. I get why politicians on both sides are afraid of change there, but Obama's in his last term and I have to think he wants to leave a legacy more significant than First Black President.brian wrote:The prison industrial complex funds Democrats every bit as lavishly as it does Republicans. Yay, two party system.
Of course not. But it'll be fun to see how it changes.brian wrote:I'm sure some people think it's OK for the cops to execute people for stealing cigars, but undoubtedly that's not a large number.Brontoburglar wrote:I'm fascinated to see how today's developments change the narrative regarding this situation
What developments? If you mean things that haven't happened yet, what do you anticipate?Brontoburglar wrote:I'm fascinated to see how today's developments change the narrative regarding this situation
This, right?howard wrote:What developments? If you mean things that haven't happened yet, what do you anticipate?Brontoburglar wrote:I'm fascinated to see how today's developments change the narrative regarding this situation
(Just asking--I don't know what you mean, bronts.)
(ETA context. this convo is picking up steam)
He wasn't Tom Vanderbilt, nor was he Robert Moses. But he absolutely had some responsibility. Kinda like contractors on the Death Star, I suppose.Rush2112 wrote:howard wrote:After he learned to program, he became more involved in designing and planning for this expanding system throughout California that was the sine qua non of suburban and exurban growth.
So either your dad is responsible for that shit show or your dad is Tom Vanderbilt?
Ah, nice to see the Ukrainian government press office is keeping busy during the lull in the civil war over there.rass wrote:
This, right?
Ah, so he was a identified as a suspect after he was kilt. Then jumped into a time machine, armed with the evidence, and executed him.The unidentified police officer who wrote the incident report on the robbery said he identified Brown by comparing surveillance images of the incident to the body of the slain teen.
I had chills reading that entire thing. America pisses me off.AB_skin_test wrote:Rembert Browne from Grantland.
They knew better than to mess with a sassy black woman.Shirley wrote:FWIW, in my middle school bad boy phase, my friends and I shoplifted Swisher Sweets many times. Nobody ever shot at us.
Seriously. If this story does change the narrative, then it only goes to show how racism colors our society's perception of events. I went to a lily white, suburban high school where plenty of guys committed petty offenses like theft. But if one of my classmates were shot dead while running from the police after shoplifting cigars from a convenience store, you can be damn sure that cop would be criminally charged by the end of the day. I don't see how it should be any different here, even if Brown did "tower over" and "appear to intimidate" a store clerk.brian wrote:I'm sure some people think it's OK for the cops to execute people for stealing cigars, but undoubtedly that's not a large number.Brontoburglar wrote:I'm fascinated to see how today's developments change the narrative regarding this situation
Spot on.brian wrote:I'm sure some people think it's OK for the cops to execute people for stealing cigars, but undoubtedly that's not a large number.Brontoburglar wrote:I'm fascinated to see how today's developments change the narrative regarding this situation
But did they give you burritos?Shirley wrote:FWIW, in my middle school bad boy phase, my friends and I shoplifted Swisher Sweets many times. Nobody ever shot at us.
Joe K wrote:Seriously. If this story does change the narrative, then it only goes to show how racism colors our society's perception of events. I went to a lily white, suburban high school where plenty of guys committed petty offenses like theft. But if one of my classmates were shot dead while running from the police after shoplifting cigars from a convenience store, you can be damn sure that cop would be criminally charged by the end of the day. I don't see how it should be any different here, even if Brown did "tower over" and "appear to intimidate" a store clerk.brian wrote:I'm sure some people think it's OK for the cops to execute people for stealing cigars, but undoubtedly that's not a large number.Brontoburglar wrote:I'm fascinated to see how today's developments change the narrative regarding this situation
ETA: Shirley beat me to it. Point is, teenagers do stupid shit, but that doesn't mean they should be gunned down.
It's a loud number, at the least. And I'll guarantee it's bigger than you think from what I've seen in the past 20 minutes.tennbengal wrote:Spot on.brian wrote:I'm sure some people think it's OK for the cops to execute people for stealing cigars, but undoubtedly that's not a large number.Brontoburglar wrote:I'm fascinated to see how today's developments change the narrative regarding this situation
I would posit that anyone that is swayed to not caring if he was killed by the police because of the possibility that he shoplifted some cigars probably wasn't really on his side to begin with.Gunpowder wrote: It's a loud number, at the least. And I'll guarantee it's bigger than you think from what I've seen in the past 20 minutes.
Yeah, but most people will just see the headline and not even get to that fact. Ergo - cop off the hook in some courts of public opinion. Which was clearly the goal. Really, since the cop didn't even know he was a robbery suspect when he shot him, there was no justifiable reason to bring up the robbery, other than to tar the kid's reputation, after the fact. Sheesh.Giff wrote:And apparently they didn't even stop him because of him being a suspect in the robbery.
Yeah, my point wasn't that I didn't think this might impact perceptions. It was that anyone who thinks this remotely justifies the cop's actions has some strong racial biases.brian wrote:I would posit that anyone that is swayed to not caring if he was killed by the police because of the possibility that he shoplifted some cigars probably wasn't really on his side to begin with.Gunpowder wrote: It's a loud number, at the least. And I'll guarantee it's bigger than you think from what I've seen in the past 20 minutes.
The local news here in Toronto used the term "robbed a convenience store" to describe what the kid did.sancarlos wrote:Yeah, but most people will just see the headline and not even get to that fact. Ergo - cop off the hook in some courts of public opinion. Which was clearly the goal. Really, since the cop didn't even know he was a robbery suspect when he shot him, there was no justifiable reason to bring up the robbery, other than to tar the kid's reputation, after the fact. Sheesh.Giff wrote:And apparently they didn't even stop him because of him being a suspect in the robbery.
This. I had a certain news network in mind and a certain group of people. And no, the swamp wasn't included in my thoughts. Also why I said "narrative" rather than "actually what happened."Gunpowder wrote:Joe K wrote:Seriously. If this story does change the narrative, then it only goes to show how racism colors our society's perception of events. I went to a lily white, suburban high school where plenty of guys committed petty offenses like theft. But if one of my classmates were shot dead while running from the police after shoplifting cigars from a convenience store, you can be damn sure that cop would be criminally charged by the end of the day. I don't see how it should be any different here, even if Brown did "tower over" and "appear to intimidate" a store clerk.brian wrote:
I'm sure some people think it's OK for the cops to execute people for stealing cigars, but undoubtedly that's not a large number.
ETA: Shirley beat me to it. Point is, teenagers do stupid shit, but that doesn't mean they should be gunned down.
Has anybody who is questioning whether this will change the narrative with a group of people actually read the comments on that article? Or checked Twitter? Because it's changed the fuck out of the narrative for a very large group of people.
The cop/firefighter incident can be viewed here if you'd like (you hear the gunshots, but it's at the end of the video and don't see anything):Can someone please tell me why this sinceless looting and destroying of business and rioting in stl is taking place? The media will always spin a story mostly to benefit liberal propaganda bc most media outlets are liberal. All I know is an 18 year old broke the law and was punished? Where were these riots and harm to innocent ppl being done last year when a cop in kc killed a fire fighter? Why is this being made into trayvin Martin pt 2. This ongoing idiocy in stl is doing a lot more harm than good.
I would like to know why it took six days for them to release that information and then why, when they released it, they had to then follow up six hours later and emphasize that the officer did not know about the robbery. Of course, I can wonder why, sadly, and hope I'm not right.sancarlos wrote:Yeah, but most people will just see the headline and not even get to that fact. Ergo - cop off the hook in some courts of public opinion. Which was clearly the goal. Really, since the cop didn't even know he was a robbery suspect when he shot him, there was no justifiable reason to bring up the robbery, other than to tar the kid's reputation, after the fact. Sheesh.Giff wrote:And apparently they didn't even stop him because of him being a suspect in the robbery.
What we’re seeing in Ferguson, this is not a local issue, really. I mean, this is something that’s been driven by national policies, by policies that Congress has approved of and has oversight of, and could end tomorrow, if they wanted to.
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The idea that when we take domestic police officers and we train them like soldiers and we give them military gear and we dress them up like soldiers and we tell them they’re fighting a war—you know, war on crime or war on terror—they’re going to start to see themselves as soldiers. And that’s just a mindset that’s not—that really isn’t appropriate for domestic policing. And I think you saw that in the way that they responded to protests—not just in Ferguson, but also, you know, a lot of the crackdowns on the Occupy protesters, on the crackdowns at the political conventions over the years. I mean, this has become our default response to protest in the U.S., and it’s something that, you know, I think could be very antagonistic toward the very idea of free speech and the First Amendment.