2020-2021 NHL Regular Season Thread

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed May 05, 2021 11:46 am

I REALLY don't understand not suspending Wilson. They fucking threw the book at him (rightfully) for that shitty play in preseason a couple of years back. It's (obviously) not like they're unaware of his past. ???

That shit was straight out of Youngblood, with the helmet off and body slamming him down.

I'm truly baffled. Like... They've already clinched a spot, so the politics of it don't even make sense on that front. He got suspended earlier for a (shitty) but less egregious hit.

Fucking bizarre.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Wed May 05, 2021 11:50 am

BSF21 wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 10:14 am GhostBear for PHI getting a meeting with DoPS for cross check in the back after a GWG last night.

Neither incident should take place, and I by no means excuse the actions, but it's such a fucking bad look for the wheel of justice.

Wasn't even a GWG. It was an empty-netter to go up by 3.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed May 05, 2021 12:20 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 11:46 amI REALLY don't understand not suspending Wilson. They fucking threw the book at him (rightfully) for that shitty play in preseason a couple of years back. It's (obviously) not like they're unaware of his past.

I think this is actually it. If they acknowledge the intent/risk, they can't not suspend him well into the playoffs, so the only other option is to refuse to acknowledge that what happened was out of the ordinary. Its either "just another post-whistle scrum" or an incredibly serious offense committed by the first (or second, depending on how you feel about Gudas) guy you'd expect to do it with 20 games as the starting point.

Post by **brian** » Wed May 05, 2021 12:25 pm

It's not only pretty cynical to think the NHL gave him zero games, because suspending him for six games would have looked even worse, it's almost certainly correct.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed May 05, 2021 12:29 pm

I was positive he'd get regular season + 1, whatever that would have been. Then they could have said "hey, we take this so seriously we took away a playoff game" and the media sycophants would congratulate them while everyone else seethed. I did not, at all, expect zero games.

MaxWebster · Post by **MaxWebster** » Wed May 05, 2021 12:30 pm

remember when this zero-brained fucknut got 15 for an incident in the scrum and most people thought that was light:

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed May 05, 2021 12:40 pm

BTW, the Caps are a mess right now.

Rumors are getting pretty heated that they're gonna dump Kuznetsov. He got another Covid hit AND he and Samsonov showed up late to a team function the other day.

There's increasing drama and angst about the fact that Ovi isn't signed.

Wilson is out here Wilson'ing. I have no idea how things are going to go down tonight, but you know it just ramps up the tension... and not the good kind.

Just not good vibes, at least from the outside looking in.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Wed May 05, 2021 1:23 pm

The NHL just tries to manage everything too much. They manage the situations in games, and they manage at what point in the season we are right now. Why is a playoff game more important than a regular season game. You should be suspended 20 games, whatever those games are.

They manage the loser point system, they put in a shootout but don't want it to happen too often, they want the game to be rough but not too rough, they want a draft lottery but you can't win it too often etc...

By not suspending Wilson they are basically saying it was self-defense.

In soccer, you can be suspended for the World Cup Final for two shit yellow cards. A foul is a foul, a card is a card.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Wed May 05, 2021 1:56 pm

Now it's getting crazy. Rangers just fired Davidson and Gordon

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed May 05, 2021 1:58 pm

Things definitely seemed to be going too well for a Dolan run team. This tracks.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed May 05, 2021 2:11 pm

So, Dolan issued the statement?

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Wed May 05, 2021 2:33 pm

By law, James Dolan has to be fucking up one team at all times, and well, take a look at the Knicks right now

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed May 05, 2021 2:44 pm

sancarlos wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 2:11 pm So, Dolan issued the statement?

There's like 10 different speculations out there right now; Dolan issues with Davidson and Gorton dissenting, the league stepped in over the statement, Dolan wanted a goon kid from the AHL up and the front office resisted, "actually, this had nothing to do with the Wilson incident" ...

Who the fuck knows. Only thing I'm certain of is whatever odds you would have bet on the Rangers winning a Cup in the next five years, you can chop in half if Dolan has decided he's involved again.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed May 05, 2021 4:56 pm

Even noted former goon John Scott is speaking out against the NHL, now.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Wed May 05, 2021 6:13 pm

Think the Caps came out ahead in the first fights...old time hockey

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Wed May 05, 2021 6:15 pm

Getting crowded in the penalty box. Wilson beat up Smith despite Smith instigating and getting a few in early. That is okay, Smith's equipment and face did a good job cutting Wilson's hand.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Wed May 05, 2021 6:22 pm

Give that one to the Rangers.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Wed May 05, 2021 6:23 pm

Strome and Eller was a bit of a draw. 6 guys in each box

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Wed May 05, 2021 6:25 pm

Bet NBCSN wishes this one was on Peacock Premium...
and Caps glad they don't have to expo Ovi to this tonight.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Wed May 05, 2021 6:40 pm

Some days I’m like hey, maybe I’ll check out hockey again. This is not one of those days.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed May 05, 2021 6:40 pm

Wlu, from the Rangers’ perspective, it’s not about who wins the fights. It’s about venting their rage over recent events.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Wed May 05, 2021 6:53 pm

Oh completely...but if you are going to drop the gloves you always want to give better than you get. Rangers have generally done it the right way...except for trying to start something with T.J. Oshie. He missed the last game after his dad died...he should get the pass from having to fight tonight.

Wilson gets 10 for jawing at the bench after get slashed over and over again on the last shift....

Outside of guys fighting, this game will end with short benches from guys getting hit by pucks and falling on each other.

EdRomero · Post by **EdRomero** » Wed May 05, 2021 6:57 pm

There is no "right way" to respond to a league and team that allows this shit to happen repeatedly. Anything goes. That's the consequence.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Wed May 05, 2021 7:16 pm

EdRomero wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 6:57 pm There is no "right way" to respond to a league and team that allows this shit to happen repeatedly. Anything goes. That's the consequence.

Stick swinging, elbows to the head, etc...It could get Bloodsport, Slapshot, or Baltimore Skipjacks stupid.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Wed May 05, 2021 7:20 pm

Wilson is not returning to the game tonight...upper body injury...guessing not hurt from the slash or the caps indicating the injury is between his ears but a good decision to get this game done in something that the refs can describe in the post game report in fewer than 20 pages.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Wed May 05, 2021 7:22 pm

wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 7:16 pm
EdRomero wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 6:57 pm There is no "right way" to respond to a league and team that allows this shit to happen repeatedly. Anything goes. That's the consequence.
Stick swinging, elbows to the head, etc...It could get Bloodsport, Slapshot, or Baltimore Skipjacks stupid.

Like that cross check to the head.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Wed May 05, 2021 7:29 pm

My hot take:

The Rangers should've forfeited this game to embarrass the NHL.

EdRomero · Post by **EdRomero** » Wed May 05, 2021 7:36 pm

wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 7:22 pm
wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 7:16 pm
EdRomero wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 6:57 pm There is no "right way" to respond to a league and team that allows this shit to happen repeatedly. Anything goes. That's the consequence.
Stick swinging, elbows to the head, etc...It could get Bloodsport, Slapshot, or Baltimore Skipjacks stupid.

Too late. The Capitals and NHL opened that can of worms already. I try not to be too judgemental of how victims respond, especially when the system failed them (blm crossthread)

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Wed May 05, 2021 7:39 pm

I agree on the forfeit (although I admit I know about 2% of the relevant context, and it sounds like the Rangers maybe weren’t speaking with one voice).

If it really matters to you, you should be willing to sit out the game.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Wed May 05, 2021 7:50 pm

EdRomero wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 7:36 pm
wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 7:22 pm
wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 7:16 pm
EdRomero wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 6:57 pm There is no "right way" to respond to a league and team that allows this shit to happen repeatedly. Anything goes. That's the consequence.
Stick swinging, elbows to the head, etc...It could get Bloodsport, Slapshot, or Baltimore Skipjacks stupid.
Too late. The Capitals and NHL opened that can of worms already. I try not to be too judgemental of how victims respond, especially when the system failed them (blm crossthread)

The problem with this argument is you then have to put blame on the Rangers for some stuff that happened in the games earlier this season. Going back this has been brewing between the teams. There was a cheap shot at Ovi in a game early in the year and some cheap stuff in the Rangers big win a few weeks ago. Had Wilson not continued to escalate it probably would be regular NHL crap...but this did not start 2 nights ago.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Wed May 05, 2021 7:52 pm

Also I agree Parros has botched this one. I have been a fan of his because of how nice he was to me at a Movember event when he was with the Ducks. I mean an unbelievable great experience...but realize that clouds my judgement.

rass · Post by **rass** » Wed May 05, 2021 7:59 pm

You gotta make Tom Wilson hit you, baby?

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed May 05, 2021 9:50 pm

Two and a half minutes then let the rest of the team deal with it tonight, huh?

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu May 06, 2021 9:44 am

Of course he will.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Thu May 06, 2021 10:04 am

This why this all sucks so much. That was a pretty chickenshit move from Buchnevich, he SHOULD be getting a talking to.

I know I'm stating the obvious, but man... It's tough to take this league seriously rn.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Thu May 06, 2021 10:07 am

Complete embarrassment. No need to hash it out or argue the point. Fucking embarrassing from stem to stern.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu May 06, 2021 10:12 am

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:04 am This why this all sucks so much. That was a pretty chickenshit move from Buchnevich, he SHOULD be getting a talking to.

I know I'm stating the obvious, but man... It's tough to take this league seriously rn.

Exactly. In normal circumstances, everyone would agree this is a suspension, and I'm sure everyone agrees now, but the difference is that the DOPS is directly responsible for what happened in this game due to their own incompetence and any hearing or suspension at this point relating to this game is a complete farce.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Thu May 06, 2021 10:12 am

BSF21 wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:07 am Fucking embarrassing from stem to stern.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu May 06, 2021 10:32 am

What can the NHL even do with Buchnevich here? Zero games is ridiculous, but the league causes this because that doesn't happen if Wilson isn't playing. More than two games and you're carrying over your own fuck-up into 2021-22, which I'm sure the league doesn't want to do, but the offense itself absolutely warrants more than two games.

My guess is its two and they cite the fact that Mantha wasn't injured or something to move on. Also, no chance Parros is back next season unless he got overruled or something and the league doesn't sacrifice him.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu May 06, 2021 11:08 am

mister d wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:32 am What can the NHL even do with Buchnevich here? Zero games is ridiculous, but the league causes this because that doesn't happen if Wilson isn't playing. More than two games and you're carrying over your own fuck-up into 2021-22, which I'm sure the league doesn't want to do, but the offense itself absolutely warrants more than two games.

My guess is its two and they cite the fact that Mantha wasn't injured or something to move on. Also, no chance Parros is back next season unless he got overruled or something and the league doesn't sacrifice him.

I think the Rangers will go heavy on Buchnevich. You have to remember that the league ruled the Wilson incident on Monday as self-defense. So everything the Rangers did last night was unjustified aggression.
I mean, the headline on NHL.com today is "Oshie scores hat trick mourning father." Like nothing happened.