The Swamp

brian wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:04 pm Completely disagree. A government shutdown with the GOP in control of the White House, House and Senate will not play well in middle America and they'll know who to blame regardless of who Trump and Fox News tell them to blame. Voters aren't quite that stupid (yet).

IF YOU ARE PRESIDENT, YOU MAY NOW:

Imply, without evidence, that a television anchor was involved in a murder

Question the authenticity of a recording of you bragging about sexual assault, even though you previously admitted it was real

Say the F.B.I.’s reputation is “in tatters — worst in history” and call members of the intelligence community “political hacks”

Retweet inflammatory and fake anti-Muslim videos from an ultranationalist British group

Call the American justice system a “joke” and a “laughingstock”

Have your lawyer pay $130,000 in hush money to a porn star with whom you had an affair while your wife was at home caring for your new son

Ask, in a meeting with lawmakers on immigration policy, “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?,” referring to Africa, and “Why do we want people from Haiti here? Take them out.”

Make fun of a military flag ceremony

Retweet a doctored photo of yourself with the name of a national news organization splattered on the bottom of your shoe


Continue to call for a criminal investigation of your former political opponent, whom you call the “worst (and biggest) loser of all time” a year after the election

Exploit a White House event honoring Native American veterans to mock a senator with a racially charged slur

Change a critical element of your explanation for firing your national security adviser

Shut down a bogus voter-fraud commission because “Democrat states” refuse to turn over necessary information, even though states with both Democratic and Republican leadership did, and for good reason

Tell your rich friends after your tax bill passes, “You all just got a lot richer”

Boast that you have a higher I.Q. than your secretary of state, who fails to deny that he called you a “moron”

Defend your mental competency by saying that you are “like, really smart” and a “very stable genius”

Tell your attorney general not to recuse himself from overseeing an investigation into your campaign, then when he does anyway, call it “a terrible thing”

Falsely claim that your predecessor failed to contact the families of fallen soldiers, and then exploit the death of your chief of staff’s son to defend yourself

Threaten to take away a TV network’s broadcast license for reporting on your deliberations about the nation’s nuclear arsenal

Threaten to use federal tax law to punish a professional sports league for letting its players express political opinions

Tell reporters that “It’s frankly disgusting the way the press is able to write whatever they want to write, and people should look into it”

Warn American citizens in Puerto Rico, only weeks after a catastrophic hurricane, that the federal government can’t help them out “forever,” even as you tell victims of a hurricane in Texas, “We are with you today, we are with you tomorrow, and we will be with you EVERY SINGLE DAY AFTER, to restore, recover, and REBUILD!”

Spend one-third of the first year of your taxpayer-funded presidency visiting your own golf courses or properties

While debating policy with lawmakers on live television, accidentally agree to a deal that is the opposite of what your party wants, get corrected by the House majority leader, and then release an official White House transcript that omits the exchange

Insult people, places and things constantly

Say that your former White House adviser and campaign chief has “lost his mind,” after another former adviser and campaign manager is indicted on money laundering and other federal charges

Claim that a new tax bill you support will “cost me a fortune,” even though it will probably save you millions, but who knows since you refuse to release your tax returns

Fail to grasp the basic science of climate change

Take credit for the fact that no one died on a domestic commercial airliner during your first year in office


Tell attendees at a rally to be “happy you voted for me,” and that they are “so lucky that I gave you that privilege”

Continue to mock foreign leaders by implying that they are, among other things, “short and fat”

After helping to negotiate the release of college athletes arrested in China, say “I should have left them in jail” after the father of one of them — whom you call “the poor man’s version of Don King” — doesn’t express proper gratitude


Get in a Twitter fight with a senator of your own party, during which you mock his height

Praise the delivery to Norway of fighter planes that exist only in a video game

Call for the firing of a journalist who mistakenly tweeted about crowd size at your rally

Decline to invite Jewish Democrats in Congress to the annual White House Hanukkah party


Say that you’re “very frustrated” that you cannot tell the Justice Department what to do, but also claim that “I have absolute right to do what I want to do with the Justice Department.”

Try to stop the publication of a book that says critical things about you and your administration

Tell more than 2,000 lies in a year, or roughly five a day

Tell your advisers that the 15,000 Haitians sent here in 2017 “all have AIDS,” and that Nigerians who saw America would never “go back to their huts”

Blame a domestic terror attack on a senator of the opposing party, and then undermine the prosecution of the attacker by calling publicly for his execution

Falsely claim a rise in British crime is due to “radical Islamic terror”

Accuse an F.B.I. agent of treason without evidence

Watch four to eight hours of cable television a day, mostly the channel that feeds you self-serving propaganda

Say a female senator of the opposing party “would do anything” for your campaign donations

Choose for federal judgeships nominees who cannot identify or explain basic legal concepts, and who were rated “not qualified” by the American Bar Association

Falsely claim that you have signed more legislation than any first-year president, when in fact you have signed less than any post-World War II president

Taunt a foreign leader who claims he has nuclear weapons by saying your “nuclear button” is “a much bigger & more powerful one than his, and my Button works!”

Criticize a law that your party firmly supports, then, two hours later, reverse yourself

Mock an investigation into whether your campaign colluded with a foreign government to swing the election as a “phony cloud,” a “total hoax,” “fabricated and politically motivated,” a “witch hunt” and an “artificial Democratic hit job” that “makes the country look very bad”and serves as “an excuse for losing an election that they should have won” — oh, and also claim that the Democrats were the real colluders

THAT’S ALL....IN ADDITION TO BEING ABLE TO:
Mock a foreign leader with a demeaning nickname and threaten his country with nuclear annihilation over Twitter

Call for the firing of “son of a bitch” athletes who choose to exercise their right to free speech

Refer to the White House as “a real dump”

Spend the weekend golfing at your private club while the mayor of an American city wades through sewage-filled water to help citizens after a catastrophic hurricane, then accuse that mayor of “poor leadership” when she criticizes your administration’s slow response to the storm

Criticize victims of that hurricane still living without drinking water or electricity by saying they “want everything to be done for them”

During a visit to some of those victims, throw rolls of paper towels at them and tell them they should be “very proud” that only 16 people have died so far, unlike in a “real catastrophe”

Attack a senator battling terminal cancer

Pick nominees to the federal bench who call a sitting Supreme Court justice a “judicial prostitute” and refer to transgender children as part of “Satan’s plan”

Campaign hard for a Senate candidate; then when he appears likely to lose, say “I might have made a mistake” and later delete your tweets supporting him

Behave so erratically and irresponsibly that senators of your own party resort to saying you’re treated like someone at “an adult day-care center” to keep you from starting World War III

Spend one of every three days as president visiting at least one of your own properties

Publicly and privately humiliate your own attorney general for recusing himself from an investigation into your campaign

Say nothing when a foreign leader’s bodyguards brutally attack peaceful protesters in the streets of Washington, D.C.

Tweet GIFs of yourself violently attacking the media and your former political opponent

Encourage police officers not to be “too nice” when apprehending criminal suspects

Help draft a misleading statement about the purpose of a meeting between your son, other top campaign aides and representatives of a rival foreign power intent on interfering in the election

Deliver a speech to the Boy Scouts of America that includes mockery of a former president and winking references to sexual orgies, and then lie by claiming that the head of that organization called and told you it was the best speech ever delivered in Boy Scout history

Hang a framed copy of a fake Time magazine cover celebrating your business acumen in your golf clubs around the world

Mock a female television anchor’s appearance, saying the anchor was “bleeding badly from a face-lift” at a holiday gathering at your private resort

Force your cabinet members to take turns extolling your virtues in front of television cameras

Welcome into the Oval Office a man who threatened to assassinate your predecessor, whom he called a “subhuman mongrel,” and who referred to your political opponent as a “worthless bitch”

Continue to deny that Russia attempted to influence the presidential election, despite the consensus of the American intelligence community — and yet also blame your predecessor for not doing anything to stop that interference

Grant temporary White House press credentials to a website that, among other things, claims that Sept. 11 was an “inside job” and that the massacre of 20 schoolchildren in Newtown, Conn., was a hoax

Block people who criticize you on Twitter

Claim that an investigation into your campaign’s possible collusion with a foreign power is “the single greatest witch hunt of a politician in American history!”

Pressure multiple intelligence chiefs to state publicly that there was no collusion between your presidential campaign and the Russian government

Without consulting anyone at the Pentagon, announce a new policy barring transgender soldiers from serving in the military

Pardon a former sheriff who was convicted of criminal contempt of court for refusing to obey the law

Continue to repeat, with admiration, a false story about an American military general committing war crimes

Mock the mayor of a world city for his careful, sober response to a terrorist attack

Tell Americans that a march of torch-carrying white supremacists and neo-Nazis includes “some very fine people” — and when one of those marchers murders a peaceful counterprotester, condemn violence on “both sides”

Run an administration whose ethical standards have, in the words of the federal government’s top ethics enforcer, made the United States “close to a laughingstock”

Hide data that don’t support your pre-existing policy preferences

Admit to trying to intimidate a key witness in a federal investigation

Continue to leave hundreds of executive branch positions unfilled

Profit off the presidency, accepting millions of dollars from foreign government officials, businesses, politicians and other supporters who pay a premium to patronize your properties and get access to you — while also attempting to hide the visitor lists at some of those properties from the public

Promise to drain the swamp, then quietly grant ethics waivers to multiple former industry lobbyists who want to work in your administration

Tell a lie, on average, more than five times a day

Call for criminal investigations of your former political opponent, seven months after winning the election

Appoint your family wedding planner to head a federal housing office

Shove aside a fellow head of state at a photo-op

Attack private citizens on Twitter

Delegitimize federal judges who rule against you

Refuse to take responsibility for military actions gone awry

Fire the F.B.I. chief in the middle of his expanding investigation into your campaign and your associates

Accuse a former president, without evidence, of an impeachable offense

Employ top aides with financial and other connections to a hostile foreign power

Blame the judiciary, in advance, for any terror attacks

Call the media “the enemy of the American people”

Demand personal loyalty from the F.B.I. director

Threaten the former F.B.I. director

Accept foreign payments to your businesses, in possible violation of the Constitution

Occupy the White House with the help of a hostile foreign power

Intimidate congressional witnesses

Allow White House staff members to use their personal email for government business

Claim, without evidence, that millions of people voted illegally

Fail to fire high-ranking members of your national security team for weeks, even after knowing they lied to your vice president and exposed themselves to blackmail

Refuse to release tax returns

Hide the White House visitors’ list from the public

Vacation at one of your private residences nearly every weekend

Use an unsecured personal cellphone

Criticize specific businesses for dropping your family members’ products

Review and discuss highly sensitive intelligence in a restaurant, and allow the Army officer carrying the “nuclear football” to be photographed and identified by name

Obstruct justice

Hire relatives for key White House posts, and let them meet with foreign officials and engage in business at the same time

Promote family businesses on federal government websites

Tweet, tweet, tweet

Collude with members of Congress to try to shut down investigations of you and your associates

Threaten military conflict with other nations in the middle of news interviews

Compare the U.S. intelligence community to Nazis

Display complete ignorance about international relations, your own administration’s policies, American history and the basic structure of our system of government

Skip daily intelligence briefings

Repeat untruths

Share highly classified information with a hostile foreign power without the source’s permission

Lie

Sen. John Neely Kennedy (R-La.), speaking to reporters Friday night about his general frustrations with the process, said that “our country was founded by geniuses, but it’s being run by idiots.”

Pruitt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:31 pm It really seems so much worse when it is itemized like that.

This article tells us nothing we couldn't have guessed, but it shows just how farcical this Presidency is.

‘Negotiating with Jell-O’: How Trump’s shifting positions fueled the rush to a shutdown

Sen. John Neely Kennedy (R-La.), speaking to reporters Friday night about his general frustrations with the process, said that “our country was founded by geniuses, but it’s being run by idiots.”

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:19 pm Copy / paste from another site:

IF YOU ARE PRESIDENT, YOU MAY NOW:

Imply, without evidence, that a television anchor was involved in a murder

Question the authenticity of a recording of you bragging about sexual assault, even though you previously admitted it was real

Say the F.B.I.’s reputation is “in tatters — worst in history” and call members of the intelligence community “political hacks”

Retweet inflammatory and fake anti-Muslim videos from an ultranationalist British group

Call the American justice system a “joke” and a “laughingstock”

Have your lawyer pay $130,000 in hush money to a porn star with whom you had an affair while your wife was at home caring for your new son

Ask, in a meeting with lawmakers on immigration policy, “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?,” referring to Africa, and “Why do we want people from Haiti here? Take them out.”

Make fun of a military flag ceremony

Retweet a doctored photo of yourself with the name of a national news organization splattered on the bottom of your shoe


Continue to call for a criminal investigation of your former political opponent, whom you call the “worst (and biggest) loser of all time” a year after the election

Exploit a White House event honoring Native American veterans to mock a senator with a racially charged slur

Change a critical element of your explanation for firing your national security adviser

Shut down a bogus voter-fraud commission because “Democrat states” refuse to turn over necessary information, even though states with both Democratic and Republican leadership did, and for good reason

Tell your rich friends after your tax bill passes, “You all just got a lot richer”

Boast that you have a higher I.Q. than your secretary of state, who fails to deny that he called you a “moron”

Defend your mental competency by saying that you are “like, really smart” and a “very stable genius”

Tell your attorney general not to recuse himself from overseeing an investigation into your campaign, then when he does anyway, call it “a terrible thing”

Falsely claim that your predecessor failed to contact the families of fallen soldiers, and then exploit the death of your chief of staff’s son to defend yourself

Threaten to take away a TV network’s broadcast license for reporting on your deliberations about the nation’s nuclear arsenal

Threaten to use federal tax law to punish a professional sports league for letting its players express political opinions

Tell reporters that “It’s frankly disgusting the way the press is able to write whatever they want to write, and people should look into it”

Warn American citizens in Puerto Rico, only weeks after a catastrophic hurricane, that the federal government can’t help them out “forever,” even as you tell victims of a hurricane in Texas, “We are with you today, we are with you tomorrow, and we will be with you EVERY SINGLE DAY AFTER, to restore, recover, and REBUILD!”

Spend one-third of the first year of your taxpayer-funded presidency visiting your own golf courses or properties

While debating policy with lawmakers on live television, accidentally agree to a deal that is the opposite of what your party wants, get corrected by the House majority leader, and then release an official White House transcript that omits the exchange

Insult people, places and things constantly

Say that your former White House adviser and campaign chief has “lost his mind,” after another former adviser and campaign manager is indicted on money laundering and other federal charges

Claim that a new tax bill you support will “cost me a fortune,” even though it will probably save you millions, but who knows since you refuse to release your tax returns

Fail to grasp the basic science of climate change

Take credit for the fact that no one died on a domestic commercial airliner during your first year in office


Tell attendees at a rally to be “happy you voted for me,” and that they are “so lucky that I gave you that privilege”

Continue to mock foreign leaders by implying that they are, among other things, “short and fat”

After helping to negotiate the release of college athletes arrested in China, say “I should have left them in jail” after the father of one of them — whom you call “the poor man’s version of Don King” — doesn’t express proper gratitude


Get in a Twitter fight with a senator of your own party, during which you mock his height

Praise the delivery to Norway of fighter planes that exist only in a video game

Call for the firing of a journalist who mistakenly tweeted about crowd size at your rally

Decline to invite Jewish Democrats in Congress to the annual White House Hanukkah party


Say that you’re “very frustrated” that you cannot tell the Justice Department what to do, but also claim that “I have absolute right to do what I want to do with the Justice Department.”

Try to stop the publication of a book that says critical things about you and your administration

Tell more than 2,000 lies in a year, or roughly five a day

Tell your advisers that the 15,000 Haitians sent here in 2017 “all have AIDS,” and that Nigerians who saw America would never “go back to their huts”

Blame a domestic terror attack on a senator of the opposing party, and then undermine the prosecution of the attacker by calling publicly for his execution

Falsely claim a rise in British crime is due to “radical Islamic terror”

Accuse an F.B.I. agent of treason without evidence

Watch four to eight hours of cable television a day, mostly the channel that feeds you self-serving propaganda

Say a female senator of the opposing party “would do anything” for your campaign donations

Choose for federal judgeships nominees who cannot identify or explain basic legal concepts, and who were rated “not qualified” by the American Bar Association

Falsely claim that you have signed more legislation than any first-year president, when in fact you have signed less than any post-World War II president

Taunt a foreign leader who claims he has nuclear weapons by saying your “nuclear button” is “a much bigger & more powerful one than his, and my Button works!”

Criticize a law that your party firmly supports, then, two hours later, reverse yourself

Mock an investigation into whether your campaign colluded with a foreign government to swing the election as a “phony cloud,” a “total hoax,” “fabricated and politically motivated,” a “witch hunt” and an “artificial Democratic hit job” that “makes the country look very bad”and serves as “an excuse for losing an election that they should have won” — oh, and also claim that the Democrats were the real colluders

THAT’S ALL....IN ADDITION TO BEING ABLE TO:
Mock a foreign leader with a demeaning nickname and threaten his country with nuclear annihilation over Twitter

Call for the firing of “son of a bitch” athletes who choose to exercise their right to free speech

Refer to the White House as “a real dump”

Spend the weekend golfing at your private club while the mayor of an American city wades through sewage-filled water to help citizens after a catastrophic hurricane, then accuse that mayor of “poor leadership” when she criticizes your administration’s slow response to the storm

Criticize victims of that hurricane still living without drinking water or electricity by saying they “want everything to be done for them”

During a visit to some of those victims, throw rolls of paper towels at them and tell them they should be “very proud” that only 16 people have died so far, unlike in a “real catastrophe”

Attack a senator battling terminal cancer

Pick nominees to the federal bench who call a sitting Supreme Court justice a “judicial prostitute” and refer to transgender children as part of “Satan’s plan”

Campaign hard for a Senate candidate; then when he appears likely to lose, say “I might have made a mistake” and later delete your tweets supporting him

Behave so erratically and irresponsibly that senators of your own party resort to saying you’re treated like someone at “an adult day-care center” to keep you from starting World War III

Spend one of every three days as president visiting at least one of your own properties

Publicly and privately humiliate your own attorney general for recusing himself from an investigation into your campaign

Say nothing when a foreign leader’s bodyguards brutally attack peaceful protesters in the streets of Washington, D.C.

Tweet GIFs of yourself violently attacking the media and your former political opponent

Encourage police officers not to be “too nice” when apprehending criminal suspects

Help draft a misleading statement about the purpose of a meeting between your son, other top campaign aides and representatives of a rival foreign power intent on interfering in the election

Deliver a speech to the Boy Scouts of America that includes mockery of a former president and winking references to sexual orgies, and then lie by claiming that the head of that organization called and told you it was the best speech ever delivered in Boy Scout history

Hang a framed copy of a fake Time magazine cover celebrating your business acumen in your golf clubs around the world

Mock a female television anchor’s appearance, saying the anchor was “bleeding badly from a face-lift” at a holiday gathering at your private resort

Force your cabinet members to take turns extolling your virtues in front of television cameras

Welcome into the Oval Office a man who threatened to assassinate your predecessor, whom he called a “subhuman mongrel,” and who referred to your political opponent as a “worthless bitch”

Continue to deny that Russia attempted to influence the presidential election, despite the consensus of the American intelligence community — and yet also blame your predecessor for not doing anything to stop that interference

Grant temporary White House press credentials to a website that, among other things, claims that Sept. 11 was an “inside job” and that the massacre of 20 schoolchildren in Newtown, Conn., was a hoax

Block people who criticize you on Twitter

Claim that an investigation into your campaign’s possible collusion with a foreign power is “the single greatest witch hunt of a politician in American history!”

Pressure multiple intelligence chiefs to state publicly that there was no collusion between your presidential campaign and the Russian government

Without consulting anyone at the Pentagon, announce a new policy barring transgender soldiers from serving in the military

Pardon a former sheriff who was convicted of criminal contempt of court for refusing to obey the law

Continue to repeat, with admiration, a false story about an American military general committing war crimes

Mock the mayor of a world city for his careful, sober response to a terrorist attack

Tell Americans that a march of torch-carrying white supremacists and neo-Nazis includes “some very fine people” — and when one of those marchers murders a peaceful counterprotester, condemn violence on “both sides”

Run an administration whose ethical standards have, in the words of the federal government’s top ethics enforcer, made the United States “close to a laughingstock”

Hide data that don’t support your pre-existing policy preferences

Admit to trying to intimidate a key witness in a federal investigation

Continue to leave hundreds of executive branch positions unfilled

Profit off the presidency, accepting millions of dollars from foreign government officials, businesses, politicians and other supporters who pay a premium to patronize your properties and get access to you — while also attempting to hide the visitor lists at some of those properties from the public

Promise to drain the swamp, then quietly grant ethics waivers to multiple former industry lobbyists who want to work in your administration

Tell a lie, on average, more than five times a day

Call for criminal investigations of your former political opponent, seven months after winning the election

Appoint your family wedding planner to head a federal housing office

Shove aside a fellow head of state at a photo-op

Attack private citizens on Twitter

Delegitimize federal judges who rule against you

Refuse to take responsibility for military actions gone awry

Fire the F.B.I. chief in the middle of his expanding investigation into your campaign and your associates

Accuse a former president, without evidence, of an impeachable offense

Employ top aides with financial and other connections to a hostile foreign power

Blame the judiciary, in advance, for any terror attacks

Call the media “the enemy of the American people”

Demand personal loyalty from the F.B.I. director

Threaten the former F.B.I. director

Accept foreign payments to your businesses, in possible violation of the Constitution

Occupy the White House with the help of a hostile foreign power

Intimidate congressional witnesses

Allow White House staff members to use their personal email for government business

Claim, without evidence, that millions of people voted illegally

Fail to fire high-ranking members of your national security team for weeks, even after knowing they lied to your vice president and exposed themselves to blackmail

Refuse to release tax returns

Hide the White House visitors’ list from the public

Vacation at one of your private residences nearly every weekend

Use an unsecured personal cellphone

Criticize specific businesses for dropping your family members’ products

Review and discuss highly sensitive intelligence in a restaurant, and allow the Army officer carrying the “nuclear football” to be photographed and identified by name

Obstruct justice

Hire relatives for key White House posts, and let them meet with foreign officials and engage in business at the same time

Promote family businesses on federal government websites

Tweet, tweet, tweet

Collude with members of Congress to try to shut down investigations of you and your associates

Threaten military conflict with other nations in the middle of news interviews

Compare the U.S. intelligence community to Nazis

Display complete ignorance about international relations, your own administration’s policies, American history and the basic structure of our system of government

Skip daily intelligence briefings

Repeat untruths

Share highly classified information with a hostile foreign power without the source’s permission

Lie

DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:55 pm The other site was the editorial from today's NyTimes.

"I will not be lectured about what our military needs by a five-deferment draft-dodger," Duckworth said during a speech on the Senate floor. "And I have a message for cadet bone spurs: If you cared about our military, you'd stop baiting Kim Jong Un into a war that could put 85,000 American troops and millions of innocent civilians in danger."

degenerasian wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:54 pm
Okay why is Stephen Miller involved in anything? The guy is a total loose cannon, no wonder there’s such a mess. Can’t believe that guy is even in the White House to begin with, nevermind in charge of negotiating something so important.

The Sybian wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:39 pm

degenerasian wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:54 pm
Okay why is Stephen Miller involved in anything? The guy is a total loose cannon, no wonder there’s such a mess. Can’t believe that guy is even in the White House to begin with, nevermind in charge of negotiating something so important.

You could swap out the name, and replace it with almost every person working in the White House. Fuck, Rick Perry is in charge of our nuclear arsenal, Jared is in charge of Middle East peace and 12 other major tasks, Kellyanne Conway is in charge of the opioid epidemic... Manafort, Lewandowski and Bannon were in charge of his campaign... Almost everyone Trump hired is a complete clusterfuck. Omarossa, FFS! In fairness, capable people refuse to work for Trump, so that makes it difficult, but he seeks people who are just like him, so yeah, lots of incompetent idiots with no intellectual curiosity to actually understand the issues they are in charge of handling.

brian wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:53 pm I see a lot of Dems on Twitter complaining about this deal, but it extends CHIP and at least gets McConnell on the record as agreeing to put DACA up for a vote. I don't see the need to keep the federal government closed for more than that. If Turtle McTurtleson is negotiating in bad faith, then we'll be right back here again in three weeks.

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:26 pm Even if it never happens, agreeing to fund the wall is some massive bullshit.

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:57 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:26 pm Even if it never happens, agreeing to fund the wall is some massive bullshit.

Did they agree to fund the wall in this current bill?

brian wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:02 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:57 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:26 pm Even if it never happens, agreeing to fund the wall is some massive bullshit.

Did they agree to fund the wall in this current bill?

Not that I've seen. But as usual I think Charles Pierce nails it.

My tepid support for this deal is based not on faith in McConnell or Trump to negotiate honestly, but mostly on the fact that the Dems didn't really give up anything to get it. They got CHIP off the table as a negotiating tactic and just moved the clock forward a few weeks. I think the Republicans still somehow think that their messaging is working and the Dems are being blamed for this shutdown, but they're not and they won't be three weeks from now either.

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:34 pm To me, it's not about trusting McConnell. It's about the millions of people who rely on CHIP for health care for their kids. Every one of them will sleep easier tonight.

Bringing healthcare to millions of people is a huge liberal accomplishment.

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:34 pm To me, it's not about trusting McConnell. It's about the millions of people who rely on CHIP for health care for their kids. Every one of them will sleep easier tonight.

Bringing healthcare to millions of people is a huge liberal accomplishment.

Friend,

YOU are the reason our government is back open.

Ever since the Schumer Shutdown, we received 48 petitions per second from Americans like you, demanding Democrats stop holding our military hostage to give amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Democrats in red states we won big league saw how ANGRY you were with their disgusting tactics, and couldn’t go on any longer. This is how we win -- by rallying together and fighting!

But during this shutdown, Pelosi raised hundreds of thousands of dollars from her radical base that wants unchecked illegal immigration.

We can’t let them get away with it. We will never forget the names of EVERY single liberal obstructionist responsible for this disgusting shut down, and we will work to FIRE them come November.

CONTRIBUTE $1

Thank YOU,

Donald J. Trump
President of the United States

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:52 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:34 pm To me, it's not about trusting McConnell. It's about the millions of people who rely on CHIP for health care for their kids. Every one of them will sleep easier tonight.

Bringing healthcare to millions of people is a huge liberal accomplishment.

Reverse view, isn't this "the Dems agreed to fund the wall and kicked the can on one thing already in existence in exchange for keeping a different thing already in existence"?

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:55 pm What really appalls me is that so many liberal folks on Twitter are not even acknowledging CHIP - or the people who rely on CHIP. They just see this as a surrender.

Also, unless I'm missing something, this six-year CHIP expansion is not being paired with cuts in other health care spending. Previous Republican "offers" to extend CHIP required spending reductions on Medicaid or other programs.

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:53 pm I don't remember how, but I am on The Donald's mailing list. I find it hilarious, so I never unsubscribed. Here's what they are saying today:

Friend,

YOU are the reason our government is back open.

Ever since the Schumer Shutdown, we received 48 petitions per second from Americans like you, demanding Democrats stop holding our military hostage to give amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Democrats in red states we won big league saw how ANGRY you were with their disgusting tactics, and couldn’t go on any longer. This is how we win -- by rallying together and fighting!

But during this shutdown, Pelosi raised hundreds of thousands of dollars from her radical base that wants unchecked illegal immigration.

We can’t let them get away with it. We will never forget the names of EVERY single liberal obstructionist responsible for this disgusting shut down, and we will work to FIRE them come November.

CONTRIBUTE $1

Thank YOU,

Donald J. Trump
President of the United States

Pruitt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:30 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:53 pm I don't remember how, but I am on The Donald's mailing list. I find it hilarious, so I never unsubscribed. Here's what they are saying today:

Friend,

YOU are the reason our government is back open.

Ever since the Schumer Shutdown, we received 48 petitions per second from Americans like you, demanding Democrats stop holding our military hostage to give amnesty to illegal immigrants.

Democrats in red states we won big league saw how ANGRY you were with their disgusting tactics, and couldn’t go on any longer. This is how we win -- by rallying together and fighting!

But during this shutdown, Pelosi raised hundreds of thousands of dollars from her radical base that wants unchecked illegal immigration.

We can’t let them get away with it. We will never forget the names of EVERY single liberal obstructionist responsible for this disgusting shut down, and we will work to FIRE them come November.

CONTRIBUTE $1

Thank YOU,

Donald J. Trump
President of the United States

"48 petitions a second" is 2,880 a minute, 172,800 an hour and 4,147,200 per day.

That's a lot of petitions.

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:55 pm What really appalls me is that so many liberal folks on Twitter are not even acknowledging CHIP - or the people who rely on CHIP. They just see this as a surrender.

Also, unless I'm missing something, this six-year CHIP expansion is not being paired with cuts in other health care spending. Previous Republican "offers" to extend CHIP required spending reductions on Medicaid or other programs.