NCAA Hoops Early Season Tourney and Blowouts

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:27 pm

Well looks like Kentucky is going to be very good and the Terps are academic powerhouse
http://www.diamondbackonline.com/sports ... edb56.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

Games go real this week.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:31 pm

eh. I put zero stock in playing these in state schools for exhibition games. We have a lot of talent, but I don't want......HA HA HA Fuck yeah we're gonna be good.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:37 pm

AB_skin_test wrote:eh. I put zero stock in playing these in state schools for exhibition games. We have a lot of talent, but I don't want......HA HA HA Fuck yeah we're gonna be good.

I read something yesterday from the NAIA coach saying that Kentucky would beat some NBA teams and could be a playoff level squad. Not sure about all that, but yeah it will be a good team.

and they continue to recruit very well. Saw this and have heard that Labissiere is already locked up for the cats.
Five-star basketball prospects Isaiah Briscoe and Skal Labissiere will both announce their college decisions Thursday on ESPNU, a source told the Herald-Leader on Monday.

and I still hope for bad jock itch happen to the Harrison twins.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:40 pm

wlu_lax6 wrote:
AB_skin_test wrote:eh. I put zero stock in playing these in state schools for exhibition games. We have a lot of talent, but I don't want......HA HA HA Fuck yeah we're gonna be good.
I read something yesterday from the NAIA coach saying that Kentucky would beat some NBA teams and could be a playoff level squad. Not sure about all that, but yeah it will be a good team.

and they continue to recruit very well. Saw this and have heard that Labissiere is already locked up for the cats.
Five-star basketball prospects Isaiah Briscoe and Skal Labissiere will both announce their college decisions Thursday on ESPNU, a source told the Herald-Leader on Monday.

and I still hope for bad jock itch happen to the Harrison twins.

They'd get beat easily by even the Sixers IMO.

And I heard Labasieere is no longer being recruited by Cal since he is no longer eligible to be a McD's All-American.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:34 am

Tacko "Taco" Fall---7'6" signs with UCF. That is one tall kid.

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:39 am

Or two short ones.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:29 am

Nobody cares about these tournaments, and AB smells like Bigfoot's dick.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:30 pm

The annual crazy ass 24-hour marathon starts tonight--the real beginning of the season. I'll be pissed if the 3AM New Mexico St/St Mary's game runs late and cuts into the 5AM Hawaii-High Point game.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:12 pm

Rex wrote:The annual crazy ass 24-hour marathon starts tonight--the real beginning of the season. I'll be pissed if the 3AM New Mexico St/St Mary's game runs late and cuts into the 5AM Hawaii-High Point game.

I keep forgetting to take this day off from work.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:18 pm

High point's miles traveled per win went up to 1,600 from 0.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:21 pm

The alley oop Manhattan just ran to send the game to OT (had 0.6 to get a shot off from an inbounds on the baseline) was incredible.

https://vine.co/v/OJWwlm1ePHX" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:27 pm

I used to watch a crap load of Marist/Manhattan/MAAC games. Back in the early days of satellite had a friend that got some channel (YES?) that showed most conference games and we fell in love with a Manhattan PG that was a fast little white guy with a ponytail. Then after graduating I lived in Poughkeepsie and my ex-father in law was a Marist season ticket holder. Good times.

Post by **Shirley** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:27 pm

A few very early ACC observations. Note the implied HUGE caveats - small sample size against outmatched competition.

Duke is really good. Jahlil Okafor is legit and their next two best players may also be frosh - Justice Winslow and Tyus Jones. Okafor is shooting something like 85% from the floor so far. The thing for Duke is that they seem to be sharing the ball better and playing better defense than in the past couple of seasons.

UNC is probably overrated at this point. Their freshmen haven't been to great yet. Their inside guys have been impressive, but the team still can't shoot 3s. Outside of Paige, the team is 2-19 on 3s. That's gonna bite them in the ass unless they can find at least one more shooter.

UVA is still really good. They are very deep and they are already playing very much like they played over the last two-thirds of last year (clearly the best team in the ACC last year). The move the ball really well on offense and they can get points from so many guys (6 different Hoos hit threes in the first half of their last game). And they only have one senior on the team. This program is in very good shape for the next two seasons.

Miami upset Florida on the road last night. Huge win for the Canes, even if it really was The Gator's B team (injuries and suspensions). Miami has had a TON of personnel turnover the past two seasons. They may have a pretty good mix this year.

Warning sign at Pitt - they were outrebounded by Samford at home. For a program built almost exclusively on rebounding, that's alarming.

Post by **Shirley** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:29 pm

Brontoburglar wrote:The alley oop Manhattan just ran to send the game to OT (had 0.6 to get a shot off from an inbounds on the baseline) was incredible.

https://vine.co/v/OJWwlm1ePHX" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Watch #2 on UMass for an example of someone not paying the least attention to what's going on around him. How was a defender like that on the court?

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:33 pm

Shirley wrote:
Brontoburglar wrote:The alley oop Manhattan just ran to send the game to OT (had 0.6 to get a shot off from an inbounds on the baseline) was incredible.

https://vine.co/v/OJWwlm1ePHX" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Watch #2 on UMass for an example of someone not paying the least attention to what's going on around him. How was a defender like that on the court?

Stop gay bashing

EDIT: (I think that's him)

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:42 pm

Ryan wrote:
Shirley wrote:
Brontoburglar wrote:The alley oop Manhattan just ran to send the game to OT (had 0.6 to get a shot off from an inbounds on the baseline) was incredible.

https://vine.co/v/OJWwlm1ePHX" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Watch #2 on UMass for an example of someone not paying the least attention to what's going on around him. How was a defender like that on the court?
Stop gay bashing

EDIT: (I think that's him)

Surprising that he didn't want dick in his face on that dunk, then.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:57 pm

Shirley wrote:Miami upset Florida on the road last night. Huge win for the Canes, even if it really was The Gator's B team (injuries and suspensions). Miami has had a TON of personnel turnover the past two seasons. They may have a pretty good mix this year.

Jim Larranaga is a GREAT coach. What he did at George Mason and his first season at Miami could not have been done by many.

Post by **Shirley** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:06 pm

Ryan wrote:
Shirley wrote:
Brontoburglar wrote:The alley oop Manhattan just ran to send the game to OT (had 0.6 to get a shot off from an inbounds on the baseline) was incredible.

https://vine.co/v/OJWwlm1ePHX" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Watch #2 on UMass for an example of someone not paying the least attention to what's going on around him. How was a defender like that on the court?
Stop gay bashing

EDIT: (I think that's him)

Wow, you're right. I totally forgot about that.

I just read this - great article - http://www.si.com/college-basketball/20 ... -minutemen" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 8:26 am

From the 10 minutes of Duke-MSU I watched, Winslow is going to be my favorite player this year.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 8:34 am

From the 40 minutes of UK-KU I watched, this team's defense is insane.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:22 am

Kentucky would lose to the 76ers, but they would probably do so in a low-scoring game. With those waves of bodies, Kentucky is going to be a monster defensively. In the games when they get in an offensive rhythm, it is going to be unfair.

Bensell · Post by **Bensell** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:22 pm

Kentucky played like shit, but unselfishly, on the offensive side of the ball but with defense like that every time out they will only need to score about 50 anyway to win.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:32 pm

Kentucky is stupid. NCAA needs a salary cap.

Post by **brian** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:50 pm

Sportsbooks here are offering $800 to win $100 on UK not going undefeated which seems like an insane overreaction.

Post by **Shirley** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:54 pm

tennbengal wrote:Kentucky would lose to the 76ers, but they would probably do so in a low-scoring game. With those waves of bodies, Kentucky is going to be a monster defensively. In the games when they get in an offensive rhythm, it is going to be unfair.

I'll admit that I was falling in out of sleep watching that first half, but was their defense really that good? Yes, they blocked a lot of shots, but that game looked to me almost like a very talented AAU game. Lots of running and jumping, but little in the way of true team defense. Hell, Kansas had 20 offensive rebounds!

Update: Pomeroy has the Cats' D at #1 in the country so far, so maybe my snoozing confused me. Looking more closely at that game, there were only 61 possessions and KU only scored 40 points, so it couldn't have been too much of a run-n-gun game. Still, 20 offensive boards is a lot, but maybe that's because the Jayhawks missed so many shots.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:44 am

They didn't get many clean looks, but most of our interior stops led to an offensive rebound because our guys overcomitted going for the block. They have to learn when to challenge hard and when to hedge.

And the entire lane was shut down for about the last 15 minutes. I bet kansas didn't take more than 3 shots in the pain during that period.

Post by **Shirley** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:14 am

AB_skin_test wrote:They didn't get many clean looks, but most of our interior stops led to an offensive rebound because our guys overcomitted going for the block. They have to learn when to challenge hard and when to hedge.

And the entire lane was shut down for about the last 15 minutes. I bet kansas didn't take more than 3 shots in the pain during that period.

Yeah, see the blocked shots are probably what gave me that impression. I'm always surprised at how excited analysts get about blocked shots. Sure, they're fun - it's probably my favorite thing to do on a basketball court - but they don't always equate to good defense. Going for the block exposes the defense to fouls, gives up rebounding position, and often just gives the ball back to the offense. Instead, just standing with your hands up in the guy's face drastically lowers shooting percentages while maintaining rebounding position.

Same thing with steals. They are way overvalued, as the risk they involve is rarely measured in any way.

Excessive block and steal attempts correlate pretty high with undisciplined defense.

That said, 7-footers can often be great shot blockers without giving up as much position, as they don't have to jump as high (or at all).

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:22 am

Probably 3-4 of the blocks were into the backboard as well, which I suppose lends itself to a rebound. Still early, and the offense needs to come around - the platoon system will hamper this as no one is getting into a rhythm, plus our big guys have not been finishing at the rim unless it's a dunk, Towns especially is getting used to bigger/smarter defenders and taking some forced shots - and i think it will, but the defense is only going to get better too.

I don't think the platoon system will be all season long, but all guys are going to get to play 15+ probably - but it is great for early season to get everyone valuable PT. I just think as the season progresses there will be more onus on having the hot hands on the floor more often.

And going for steals with the size UK has inside is probably going to keep happening, as the guards have confidene that the backline can disrupt anything.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:43 pm

Eastern Washington just beat Indiana at Assembly Hall.

Post by **brian** » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:00 pm

Tom Crean era may just about be up.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:53 pm

For some reason I'm watching NJIT @ Marquette and the officiating just turned bullshit. Shock.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:06 am

In the 12-14 match up Villanova ran VCU off the court. I watched the Terps- ASU game. ASU had the lead most of the game because of strong 3 point shooting, but the Terps held close and got the W with tough d down the stretch.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:11 am

brian wrote:Tom Crean era may just about be up.

I don't think he will last the season, as stupid as it is to fire a coach midstream.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:16 am

This Villanova team is looking like primed to get a high seed with no real travel and maybe make it out of the first weekend.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:17 am

AB_skin_test wrote:
brian wrote:Tom Crean era may just about be up.
I don't think he will last the season, as stupid as it is to fire a coach midstream.

Eh ... if he's lost the team, its your chance to start recruiting early and maybe save a transfer or two.

(Indiana being a semi-unique school in that you get kids who wanted to go there from the start, not completely attached to the coach(es) that recruited them like most places.)

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:19 am

mister d wrote:
AB_skin_test wrote:
brian wrote:Tom Crean era may just about be up.
I don't think he will last the season, as stupid as it is to fire a coach midstream.
Eh ... if he's lost the team, its your chance to start recruiting early and maybe save a transfer or two.

(Indiana being a semi-unique school in that you get kids who wanted to go there from the start, not completely attached to the coach(es) that recruited them like most places.)

It's entirely possible that Indiana is UCLA-Midwest, and is a one coach school. They haven't found their Kevin Ollie in several tries.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:21 am

"You don't mean their Kevin Ollie ... per se ... right?"

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:38 am

mister d wrote:This Villanova team is looking like primed to get a high seed with no real travel and maybe make it out of the first weekend.

Looking forward to seeing MI with a good test against Nova tonight.

As much as Hoke has been a complete debacle, it's just a true pleasure watching Beilein develop players every year.

Nova will probably destroy MI with size... MI has a bunch of freshmen and one 5 year senior that tripled his career scoring a few nights ago with 20+ against a not that good Bucknell team.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:11 am

Nice job by the Terps last night. Helps that Hoiberg's team shot poorly in the 2nd half, but a 9 point upset win over the #13 ranked team in the nation is still a nice accomplishment for a team that has had a hard time finding the NCAA bracket the last few years (And heavy heavy turnover on the roster last season). Melo Trimble is very good.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:04 am

Nonlinear FC wrote:
mister d wrote:This Villanova team is looking like primed to get a high seed with no real travel and maybe make it out of the first weekend.

Looking forward to seeing MI with a good test against Nova tonight.

As much as Hoke has been a complete debacle, it's just a true pleasure watching Beilein develop players every year.

Nova will probably destroy MI with size... MI has a bunch of freshmen and one 5 year senior that tripled his career scoring a few nights ago with 20+ against a not that good Bucknell team.

Amazing Finish