The Swamp

You know what else is hilariously dumb your face that's what.

brian wrote: ↑Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:52 pm Rivera being the first unanimous HOFer is so hilariously dumb (though he obviously deserves induction) is perfection in and of itself.

Eeeeh. He’s pretty much greatest closer of all time. Debate if closers are worth it, fine, but if it’s a legit postion, and it is, he’s the GoaT.

Now if you want to say willie mays and DiMaggio and all those guys should have been unanimous then That’s fair. But we can’t fix that shit.

Cleeberate that the people who have votes now realize greatness.

And remember. I fucking hate the Yankees. But ain’t blind. Mois the GOAT closer. . That’s legit.

Also I hope everyone sucks and never reaches the height of their profession.


Great maps? Sorry your head is too big cause you won jeopardy.


Awesome Mac dude? Sorry you pissed off an editor one time.

Great story writer? Sorry paw patrol is not literature.

I hate everyone and everyone should die.


I’ve been drinking. There was a UK game.

AB the Drunk is the best AB.

I would’ve voted for him without question. Just saying kind of what you alluded to. Ruth, Mays, Aaron, Mantle. None of them unanimous, but a closer is the first one to get 100 percent. It just shows how dumb the whole process has always been. Would be like Adam Vinateri being the first unanimous HOFer in football if they did it the same way.

So who is going to be the dick who points out that there were zero character concerns about a guy who had 3 different drugs in his system when he crashed his plane doing stunts just off the coast?

I have to admit to being surprised that more people did not latch on to the Darwin Award way in which Halladay passed. I'm also guessing that if he was Rodrigo Halladez, there would have been a few more old cranks in the baseball world talking about it.

I’m happy for Moose. Mo was a lock. Does Halladay get into the HOF without crashing his plane?

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:55 am I’m happy for Moose. Mo was a lock. Does Halladay get into the HOF without crashing his plane?

A_B wrote: ↑Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:00 am

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:55 am I’m happy for Moose. Mo was a lock. Does Halladay get into the HOF without crashing his plane?

I LOL’d at that one

The Hall of Fame’s 2020 Modern Baseball Era ballot features Dwight Evans, Steve Garvey, Tommy John, Don Mattingly, Marvin Miller, Thurman Munson, Dale Murphy, Dave Parker, Ted Simmons and Lou Whitaker.

John, Miller and Whitaker are the only three I know I'd say yes to without even looking. Pretty sure Garvey and Simmons are safe no from me but going to look at them and the others now.

No to Donny Baseball? I always look at it as "if that player were ever the best ______ of their generation" they deserve to get in. I always considered Mattingly a top hitter in the AL year after year.

I'd go with Murphy and Evans but maybe I, a horny aunt born in 1953, am biased.

That doesn't even make fucking sense if you skip on Garvey.

Ugly.

NSFTNBHOFAM:

By wOBA ...

Evans .375 (10,569)
Mattingly .361 (7,722)
Murphy .357 (9,041)
Parker .354 (10,184)
Whitaker .353 (9,967)
Simmons .347 (9,685)
Garvey .342 (9,466)
Munson .340 (5,904)

So add Evans to my yes list, I couldn't remember if he was a legit in or just "if Rice is in, he has to be in". Mattingly's career is probably too short, Murphy and Parker not good enough for their positions, Garvey is a joke for the Hall (so he's in), Simmons and Munson I'd want to look at more because catchers are weird.

My cat being named after Dwight Evans should count for something.

By fWAR (fWAR/5K PA) ...

Thurman Munson 40.9 (34.6)
Lou Whitaker 68.1 (34.2)
Dwight Evans 65.1 (30.8)
Ted Simmons 54.2 (28.0)
Don Mattingly 40.7 (26.4)
Dale Murphy 44.3 (24.5)
Dave Parker 41.1 (20.2)
Steve Garvey 37.8 (20.0)

So if you look at Puckett as a comp, Munson should be in too. Premature career end, Munson is better on a per 5,000 PA basis and Munson wasn't known to assault women.

Dave Parker was my absolute favorite Reds player (yes I know his best years were as a Pirate but I was too young to remember that) probably until Joey Votto. And he is in no way a hall of famer.

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:28 pm That doesn't even make fucking sense if you skip on Garvey.

If you're a horny aunt born in 1953 there's a 60% chance Garvey knocked you up and then dumped you, so I think Ryan's point stands.

Might not have 10 for the first time in a while.

I hope someone isn't waiting by their phawn/pean.

Jose Valverde even making a HoF ballot is a pretty huge honor for him.

Bonds
Clemens
Ramirez
Walker
Rolen
Schilling
Jeter
Wagner
Sosa
Helton

Schilling deserves it but just for pettiness’ sake I hope it’s after he’s dead.

Ryan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:20 pm Bonds
Clemens
Ramirez
Walker
Rolen
Schilling
Jeter
Wagner
Sosa
Helton

I'm right with you on all of them. I can also see good cases for (in decreasing order) Sheff, Kent, Pettitte, and Abreu.

No Doubt: Bonds, Clemens, Jeter
Yes: Manny, Sheffield, Walker, Rolen, Andruw
LOL Get Fucked: Schilling
Maybe: Helton, Pettitte
Probably Not: Abreu, Kent

I think the argument for Wagner is probably better served as an argument against most of the relievers in the Hall.

Debuts 1947 or later, 5,000+ PAs, Bobby Abreu ranks 56th in wOBA and 37th in wRC. He's a lot closer than he'll ever get the votes for and a huge part of it was "he's scared of the wall".

I can’t figure out my feelings. Miller is the most important on the ballot but just how the fuck is Simmons picked over the rest? Who isn’t voting for Whitaker?

Maybe they thought it was the Sports Guy Bill Simmons?

Ted Simmons probably got votes for having the most bitchin' mullet.

I know the late returns are usually the bad ones, but Bonds is at 77 percent so far on announced ballots. Clemens 75.7.

Larry Walker getting the 10th ballot bump at 84.7. Schilling at 80 and Jeter still perfect.

Since perfect voting is now a thing, are we going to start seeing those more regularly? Like is Trout whenever he gets in going to be a perfect vote? Or Pujols?

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:25 am Since perfect voting is now a thing, are we going to start seeing those more regularly? Like is Trout whenever he gets in going to be a perfect vote? Or Pujols?

i believe so. Who would be on this list of possible future unanimous selections?

Cabrera
Ichiro
Pujols
Trout
Kershaw

I doubt any of those other than Trout will be unanimous. Pujols would be the best bet for me of the rest. Kershaw is going to get knocked for postseason, Cabrera isn't ending the career strong and Ichiro will probably just piss someone off by being Ichiro.

If Trout's career path stays the same, he'll be the best player ever and also not-unanimous because "shouldn't a Hall of Famer be able to win in the playoffs???"

mister d wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:58 am If Trout's career path stays the same, he'll be the best player ever and also not-unanimous because "shouldn't a Hall of Famer be able to win in the playoffs???"

That's fair. I docked Kershaw for bad playoff (mind you I think he should be unanimous) so I would need to dock trout for never (well, rarely) making it.

I think the difference is Kershaw has actually performed poorly. Its a sample size issue and all that, but he's actively been bad. Trout's demerit is being unable to carry poorly constructed teams to the playoffs, which is a lot less fair. Its very Ted Williamsian.