More Backroom Deals Than Tammany Hall - A Youth Soccer Tale

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Re: More Backroom Deals Than Tammany Hall - A Youth Soccer Tale

Post by rass » Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:07 am

Welp, he'd probably just file it under "disrespect" or something else vague governing treatment of officials. Now you know!
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Re: More Backroom Deals Than Tammany Hall - A Youth Soccer Tale

Post by Nonlinear FC » Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:05 pm

That seems like a personal think with that ref. Soccer isn't like other sports, in that you really aren't afforded the opportunity to talk to the refs until half-time or after the game, and those moments are often pretty tricky. So I get that you want to communicate in game, but it's really a tough balance.

What I'm saying, and what took me a long time to internalize, is that shouting at the ref about a missed call very rarely gets you a desired result. There are really two instances where I'll backtrack on that:

* - Missing a really egregious offside call, you gotta let them know. Do it respectfully, but you have to let the center ref know that he's got a problem with the AR. Someone being a yard offside is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking, like WHOA. But if you have a 15 year old that doesn't know the rule and blows that call early, bring it to their attention because the center ref can call it if he knows the AR is out to lunch. Don't yell it, though, that won't be heard.

* - If a ref isn't calling hard fouls, I'm off my bench and I'm yelling. Protect my players, sir/maam. And I don't care if I get a card. I've had too many kids concussed and put in the hospital because the ref was letting too much shit go. (I know I'm a broken record on this, but the primary job of a coach is protecting his/her players.)
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Re: More Backroom Deals Than Tammany Hall - A Youth Soccer Tale

Post by rass » Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:33 pm

One of our local travel club’s U14 boys teams won the NJ State Cup championship over the weekend. They beat a STA (pretty big academy) team to do so. Crushed them actually, 8-4 or 8-5, I think.

I got an email from EDP with the results, and the write up gave the result and score of every game but the U14 boys. Here was the write up:
The 14U Boys President Cup champion found their winner Union SC Dragons Blue 06 who defeated STA Musc 2006 Boys USYS. This was STA’s second boy's team in a President’s Cup final.
Could be innocent. I forwarded it to our club board. They’re pretty pissed.
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Post by brian » Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:38 pm

It's probably some overworked drone making $10/hr doing these writeups, not Woodward and/or Bernstein.
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Post by rass » Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:48 pm

Such naivety!

Half joking but this shit is cutthroat. Someone gave them the “second boys team...” BS.
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Post by brian » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:06 pm

Yeah I’m not gonna pretend to know the politics but my Occam’s Razor on these things usually leads to more conventional incompetence as opposed to anything nefarious. Also writing these kinds of summaries is surprisingly hard. A lot of ins and outs, a lot of what have yous.
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Post by A_B » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:32 pm

My experience is that shit is ultra nefarious.
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Re: More Backroom Deals Than Tammany Hall - A Youth Soccer Tale

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Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:33 pm
One of our local travel club’s U14 boys teams won the NJ State Cup championship over the weekend. They beat a STA (pretty big academy) team to do so. Crushed them actually, 8-4 or 8-5, I think.

I got an email from EDP with the results, and the write up gave the result and score of every game but the U14 boys. Here was the write up:
The 14U Boys President Cup champion found their winner Union SC Dragons Blue 06 who defeated STA Musc 2006 Boys USYS. This was STA’s second boy's team in a President’s Cup final.
Could be innocent. I forwarded it to our club board. They’re pretty pissed.
That is a huge deal, as the USYS teams are the A-teams for academies like STA. Those are the teams that go into the US Development Academy program. Since it was an EDP writeup, do the Dragons play in EDP? If not, there is your explanation, they are writing an article promoting their clubs.
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Post by rass » Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:35 am

The Union SC team that won plays in EDP.
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Post by A_B » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:24 am

This isn't youth soccer, but this guy is hilarious.




You have to see some of the responses to people who don't realize it's satire.
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Not youth soccer, but despite a 4-1 loss, my corporate team gave rave review of nonlinear's net-minding last night.
Finally got nonlinear back out with the corporate team for an indoor game. Going into tonight the team we were playing was 3rd place with a +27 goal difference. My team in 5th with a -5GD. They were also clearly well younger than out team. Well 5-3 victory for the good guys and a big W for nonlinear in the goal. If he has some typos (primarily inability to type 'j', 'h', 'y' or 'n' it is because he dislocated a finger for a bit on a save. We don't win that game if he is not in the net for us. Besides stopping the ball...slick distribution (behind the back rolls to defenders) and one dribble up the field.

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Post by Nonlinear FC » Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:41 pm

Yeah, I was surprised the other team kind of took the foot off the gas after we went up 4-3. They had a very short bench, though, so that's probably a big part.

Thanks for having me out! And, yeah, that big dude ripped that shot and just wasn't in ready position and popped my pinkie and... whatever is next to that finger. Pushed them back into place and good to go!

I like your squad... Fiesty and good mix of burly guys and finesse.

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Post by rass » Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:09 am

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Post by The Sybian » Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:22 am

My daughter's travel team has an affiliation with an academy program (Match Fit). Her trainer recommended her for their Talent ID session, and she got an invite to train with the team for their Winter training session. She is responding really well to the the trainer, who is a tough drill sergeant, but also throws in a touch of silliness and keeps it fun. More important, I'm extremely impressed with how welcoming the team was towards my daughter and the others. I'd say there was close to 100 girls at the talent ID (might have been two age groups), and maybe 12-15 invited to train.

Long story short, just got a "welcome to the team" email. Really not sure if this is a big deal, or of they offer it to everyone. They currently have one team in my daughter's age group, and they announced they want two teams next year. I feel like they are trying to hook us in for next year, which is fine, as I think this program is a great fit for my daughter in the style of play, the coaching and the players. They said she is on the team now, but she has to stay on her travel team through the Spring season, and they "ask affiliate players to prioritize your travel team when there are conflicts." I'm a bit confused how this will work, if they are dressing 20 players for 9v9 games, only inviting a couple of the new girls each game, or what.

So I just got a link to order the team uniform, and the "mandatory" list includes a team backpack, warmups, 3 jerseys, training shirt, 3 different shorts, 3 different socks. So in addition to paying to play for two teams, I need to buy all of this shit, and I'm not really clear on her status. Plus, tryouts for next year are starting in a bout a month. I have her signed up for tryouts at 4 academies right now, and I don't want to buy all that shit if she isn't going to make the team next year, or if she decides she wants to play at a different academy. I have to buy all the jerseys, training outfits, shorts and socks, but am I being a dick by not buying the warmups and backpack? I feel stupid buying it if she isn't really on the team, but I also don't want her to feel like the only kid not wearing warmups or bringing the backpack because I'm being cheap. OTOH, I haven't put my old house on the market, and watching the Zillow estimates plummet every week is making me nervous about money.
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Post by rass » Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:37 am

I think it's fair to ask for confirmation from them that she 100% has a place with the club in the fall. And for that matter confirmation from her that she 100% wants to move teams. In that case, you would need to make the purchase anyway.

Well, the warmups and back-pack at least. They might make you buy a new uniform no matter what, huh?
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Post by The Sybian » Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:51 am

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I think it's fair to ask for confirmation from them that she 100% has a place with the club in the fall. And for that matter confirmation from her that she 100% wants to move teams. In that case, you would need to make the purchase anyway.

Well, the warmups and back-pack at least. They might make you buy a new uniform no matter what, huh?
Oh, there is zero guarantee for the fall. Even for the girls who were on the team all year. Tryouts for Fall in March and April, find out in April or May. The coach gave them a speech about how nobody is guaranteed a spot, and how the new girls coming in will compete for spot next year with the girls currently on the team. Since they are going from one team to two next year, I think she has a very good shot, unless there are a lot of additional girls at tryouts, which is very possible.

She definitely wants to make this team. The level of commitment and skill at training is a huge jump from travel. Every girl is skilled enough to keep up with more complex drills, and they are all focused. Nobody is goofing off or not paying attention, or in the case of 3 girls on her travel team,doing triple roundoff back handsprings into a backflip across the field. She gets frustrated when other girls aren't paying attention, and drills are too easy for her, and boring. She seems closer to the girls at Match Fit in 6 weeks than she has after a season with her travel team. The other issue is that practices are in Morris Plains, which is 35 minutes without traffic. Getting to 6:00 pm practices on weeknights might be problematic. Winter training is indoors in the new Florham Park bubble, which is only 15 minutes away.
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Post by rass » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:15 am

Welp, it's youth $occer, man.
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Post by Nonlinear FC » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:48 am

So, it's absolutely fine to just not buy the extra shit until she makes the squad for the fall.

Having gone through the same situation of going from one-two teams, even if your on the field roster is 9... If she is getting a good run right now, her chances of making the team are extremely high.

Given the way you wrote how SHE is taking it all in, I think you already know where this is headed. She is ready to move on/up. Sucks about the commute to practice, but she's got talent and needs to start running with the big dogs.
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Post by A_B » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:01 pm

When we did travel volleyball, there were only certain windows you could buy things. I assume because the printer wants to do a bunch at once instead of one-offs.
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Post by testuser2 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:28 pm

Other than the match kit I don't understand why they make you buy the extras like warmups/backpacks/etc. It's just pricing out families.

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Post by The Sybian » Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:06 pm

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Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:28 pm
Other than the match kit I don't understand why they make you buy the extras like warmups/backpacks/etc. It's just pricing out families.
I know several girls playing for an EDP level club (not top tier, playing against travel teams) and the annual fee is $3000, plus the uniform/bag etc... was $750. Then they have additional trainings that cost money, tournaments are extra $... Shit is insane. Match Fit fees were extremely reasonable. My daughter has played with them in 3 tournaments, and they are charging exactly the amount to cover the entrance fee divided by number of kids. They only charged $150 for 10 weeks of Winter training, which is nothing.
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Post by The Sybian » Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:24 pm

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Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:48 am
So, it's absolutely fine to just not buy the extra shit until she makes the squad for the fall.

Having gone through the same situation of going from one-two teams, even if your on the field roster is 9... If she is getting a good run right now, her chances of making the team are extremely high.

Given the way you wrote how SHE is taking it all in, I think you already know where this is headed. She is ready to move on/up. Sucks about the commute to practice, but she's got talent and needs to start running with the big dogs.
There was never a doubt that she wants to play at an academy. She was crushed when her older travel team imploded, and she didn't try out for all the academies I signed her up for. I won't repeat the saga, but we let her skip a bunch of tryouts because she insisted she wanted to stay on her team. Then her friend (whose father told us she wasn't trying out at academies) made one of the academies, it was a hit to my daughter's ego. We decided to go to a neighboring town's travel team, as they had an elite level program that plays against academies, but they didn't have enough talented girls, so they downgraded to a travel team (the elite coaches left and formed a new program, and most of the players went with them), and they talked up the Match Fit affiliation.

The real question is where she plays next year. I have a feeling that if she makes MAtch Fit next year, we will just stick with it since she is already used to it and knows the players. They are a newer program, but making huge steps to improve. I'll find the press release on her trainer, but she is super impressive and has a big vision to raise the program and women's sports. They aren't DA yet, but working towards it. I don't think my daughter is quite DA level, but if pushed, I think she could be. The best part is watching her play with girls on the same level as her. The first tournament, they sent one team of mostly Winter trainees and maybe 3 team players, and a team of all current players. They had 2 practices together, and the new girls looked like they have played together for years. The amount of one-touch passes, give and goes, passing to space, overlapping runs, through balls, crosses... it was amazing. When you have a team full of kids who know how to play, they look like a team. Everyone knew where to go, and made passes to the right spots. It was a ton of fun to watch.
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