MLB July 2015

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 1:53 pm

It's 25 years from the day that Andy Hawkins lost a no-hitter by 4 runs. This is so awesome.

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/7/1/884135 ... -white-sox" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:28 pm

I would bet the motherfucking ranch on Carlos Correa. If he got called up earlier, they'd be a lock for the playoffs. And I mean last season.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:59 am

Yes. Welcome to team Correa.

Post by **brian** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:10 pm

Tigers streak of 19 games over the run line the"greatest betting streak in gambling history."

So I guess that's one bright spot in a shitshow of a season.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 1:47 pm

Nathan Eovaldi is a perfect merging of Carl Pavano's body with Phil Hughes' stuff.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:52 pm

what a crazy series Cardinals against Pirates.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:45 am

degenerasian wrote:what a crazy series Cardinals against Pirates.

I agree, Starling!

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:46 am

That would have worked better with Jung-Ho but then people would have assumed it was for race reasons.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:05 am

Eighty Mile Per Hour Winds blowing out forecast for the home run derby! 700 foot home runs? Maybe someone hits one that lands in Kentucky?

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:22 am

I think I'm finally ready to dig in and enjoy this baseball season. Any good games on tonight?

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:45 pm

Anyone else notice something about the top 20 hitters by fWAR list?
1. Bryce Harper: 5.7
2. Mike Trout: 5.6
3. Jason Kipnis: 4.7
4. Josh Donaldson: 4.7
5. Paul Goldschmidt: 4.6
6. Todd Frazier: 4.1
7. Manny Machado: 4.1
8. Lorenzo Cain: 4
9. Giancarlo Stanton: 3.8
10. Buster Posey: 3.7
11. J.D. Martinez: 3.7
12. Andrew McCutchen: 3.5
13. Kris Bryant: 3.5
14. Anthony Rizzo: 3.5
15. A.J. Pollock: 3.4
16. Miguel Cabrera: 3.4
17. Nolan Arenado: 3.3
18. Joe Panik: 3.3
19. Brian Dozier: 3.3
20. Joc Pederson: 3.3

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:01 pm

mister d wrote:Anyone else notice something about the top 20 hitters by fWAR list?
1. Bryce Harper: 5.7
2. Mike Trout: 5.6
3. Jason Kipnis: 4.7
4. Josh Donaldson: 4.7
5. Paul Goldschmidt: 4.6
6. Todd Frazier: 4.1
7. Manny Machado: 4.1
8. Lorenzo Cain: 4
9. Giancarlo Stanton: 3.8
10. Buster Posey: 3.7
11. J.D. Martinez: 3.7
12. Andrew McCutchen: 3.5
13. Kris Bryant: 3.5
14. Anthony Rizzo: 3.5
15. A.J. Pollock: 3.4
16. Miguel Cabrera: 3.4
17. Nolan Arenado: 3.3
18. Joe Panik: 3.3
19. Brian Dozier: 3.3
20. Joc Pederson: 3.3

They're young as shit?

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:02 pm

Yup. One player on the wrong side if 30 and he just got hurt because he's so old.

Bensell · Post by **Bensell** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:37 pm

A_B wrote:Eighty Mile Per Hour Winds blowing out forecast for the home run derby! 700 foot home runs? Maybe someone hits one that lands in Kentucky?

Fun fact - the Home Run Derby in Cincinnati in 1988 was the only one ever rained out. I'm seeing a lot of chatter on twitter about pushing back the All-Star Game until Wednesday if the Home Run Derby is rained out tonight and moved to tomorrow. I think that's a terrible idea but what do I know?

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:40 pm

I'd say they will have it tomorrow afternoon before the game instead of moving the game to Wednesday. Managers would go apeshit if you moved everyone's innings a day closer to real baseball.

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:15 pm

mister d wrote:Anyone else notice something about the top 20 hitters by fWAR list?

Brandon Crawford isn't on the list (2.8)

DC47 · Post by **DC47** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:24 pm

Victor Martinez is not on the list due to age discrimination.

Apparently the Tigers believe VMart is so fragile that he's not replacing Cabrera at first, even thought their other option is a .100 hitting bust with a negative OPS+ (is that possible?) who the Rays let go. Amazing. Wasn't it first-base where teams used to put their old and fragile guys?

Rams Fanny · Post by **Rams Fanny** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:18 pm

Pretty much guaranteed that with this HR Derby format someone will have a strained oblique by tomorrow morning.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:20 pm

or a kid will get run over

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:45 pm

this format is not bad.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:51 pm

Rams Fanny wrote:Pretty much guaranteed that with this HR Derby format someone will have a strained oblique by tomorrow morning.

Eh, this is more or less regular BP pace.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:34 pm

that's a lot of homers

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:04 am

mister d wrote:
Rams Fanny wrote:Pretty much guaranteed that with this HR Derby format someone will have a strained oblique by tomorrow morning.
Eh, this is more or less regular BP pace.

I agree. It was more about rhythm than waiting for one pitch and swinging as hard as possible. I liked the format a lot.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:44 am

What degen said above is probably right, although it may be worse than just a kid getting run over. HR derby is going to create a lot more mid-OF pop-ups and if the pitches keep coming, a line drive could do serious damage to a group of 12 year olds still staring into the sky. I imagine MLB pitchers both know to keep looking out and have some system for covering each other.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:26 am

This was a great first step. They totally lucked out with Frazier - you can't underestimate how a live crowd affects the TV experience - and the buzzer beaters (although I guess the jury is still out on whether that was luck or an expected outcome).

I still want bonus point targets all over the stands, and keep juicing the shit out of the ball. They spent the whole hour leading up talking about balls going in the river and up near the smokestacks and then nothing comes close. I would think extreme distance is tougher now since they're pretty gassed after the first minute. And dammit, I want extremes.

One more secret impact - tonight's going to see even more boring now. Hope that becomes a thing and leads to change.

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:53 am

Ryan wrote:One more secret impact - tonight's going to see even more boring now. Hope that becomes a thing and leads to change.

They should make the ASG count for something.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:54 am

Whoever wins the all-star game gets to host next year's home run derby.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:59 am

And the losing players have to put all their own toddlers in the outfield

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:30 am

Is there an MLB version of Cromartie? Because that's the kind of easy joke I live for on Tuesdays.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:14 am

Google suggests Elijah Dukes.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:50 am

My favorite idea to use some of the soccer model in the states...and it could work across pretty much every sport.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:07 am

He pretty much hits on why it wouldn't work in the "Teams can set limits on player usage" section.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:11 am

Can someone expound on his analogy to how it usually works in soccer now? Like in England, is it young players from Premier League teams that get shuttled down to top teams in the lower leagues? Or young players from shitty Premier League teams that get loaned to better Premier League teams?

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:16 am

Ryan wrote:Can someone expound on his analogy to how it usually works in soccer now? Like in England, is it young players from Premier League teams that get shuttled down to top teams in the lower leagues? Or young players from shitty Premier League teams that get loaned to better Premier League teams?

The former. Young players get loaned out to smaller teams to get playing time.
So the examples in the article (Chris Sale) where loaning a player to a contender in place of renting a player would not work in baseball. Say it's the Yankees. Does the portion of the salary the Yankees pay count against the luxury tax? (or salary cap in other sports). The Yankees would just blow out his arm, pitch in the playoffs on 2 days rest. Who cares about next year. What's in it for the White Sox other than a few million dollars.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:16 am

Ryan wrote:Can someone expound on his analogy to how it usually works in soccer now? Like in England, is it young players from Premier League teams that get shuttled down to top teams in the lower leagues? Or young players from shitty Premier League teams that get loaned to better Premier League teams?

It is usually down a level, but sometimes teams with surplus players will send to a similar team or a better team in a different league. The point is usually to get young players playing time they wouldn't get at their home club.

And yeah, there'd be some weird rules, but I think the "no short rest" and an innings limit wouldn't be that big of a deal to incorporate for pitchers - wouldn't you rathe rhave 110 pitches of chris sale and live with it ifhe only makes it 8 innings if you are in need of starting pitching? Just makes the managers earn their money more.

Post by **Sabo** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:16 am

Ryan wrote:Can someone expound on his analogy to how it usually works in soccer now? Like in England, is it young players from Premier League teams that get shuttled down to top teams in the lower leagues? Or young players from shitty Premier League teams that get loaned to better Premier League teams?

More often than not it's young players from bigger teams being sent to lower divisions so they can get playing time. Occasionally you'll see youngsters from the big EPL teams going to smaller teams in the EPL, but there usually are some strings attached (such as the loanee not being allowed to play in cup matches or against his parent team).

Some teams - like Blackpool - abuse the system to get players they don't have to pay. More often than not, when a player goes out on loan, he's paid by his parent club. For the lower-level teams, it can be a way to cheaply get good players that otherwise wouldn't play at that level.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:18 am

degenerasian wrote:
Ryan wrote:Can someone expound on his analogy to how it usually works in soccer now? Like in England, is it young players from Premier League teams that get shuttled down to top teams in the lower leagues? Or young players from shitty Premier League teams that get loaned to better Premier League teams?
The former. Young players get loaned out to smaller teams to get playing time.
So the examples in the article (Chris Sale) where loaning a player to a contender in place of renting a player would not work in baseball. Say it's the Yankees. Does the portion of the salary the Yankees pay count against the luxury tax? (or salary cap in other sports). The Yankees would just blow out his arm, pitch in the playoffs on 2 days rest. Who cares about next year.

They could put controls in pretty easily. The player's union wouldn't stand for them abusing it, but I feel like the players could get behind the chance to go to a contender for a couple of months.

And in the scenarios described, the club with their rights would still pay the salary but get a prospect in return permanently.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:20 am

A_B wrote:And yeah, there'd be some weird rules, but I think the "no short rest" and an innings limit wouldn't be that big of a deal to incorporate for pitchers - wouldn't you rathe rhave 110 pitches of chris sale and live with it ifhe only makes it 8 innings if you are in need of starting pitching? Just makes the managers earn their money more.

What happens if he's on a 110 pitch limit but struggling? Does the team burn his 110 anyway in 5 innings rather than the anticipated 7+ when the limit was written? And/or what if pitch 110 evens the count at 2-2?

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:22 am

mister d wrote:
A_B wrote:And yeah, there'd be some weird rules, but I think the "no short rest" and an innings limit wouldn't be that big of a deal to incorporate for pitchers - wouldn't you rathe rhave 110 pitches of chris sale and live with it ifhe only makes it 8 innings if you are in need of starting pitching? Just makes the managers earn their money more.
What happens if he's on a 110 pitch limit but struggling? Does the team burn his 110 anyway in 5 innings rather than the anticipated 7+ when the limit was written? And/or what if pitch 110 evens the count at 2-2?

Well, I would think the team would theoretically be trying to win so if he was struggling normal bullpen use would apply.

And as to the latter, it's mentioned in there but little league rules would apply. You can finish the current batter when you hit the limit.

Post by **brian** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:23 am

The article specifically said the control would be that you couldn't start a new batter after 110 pitches. Basically the same way pitch counts work in the LLWS. It's not rocket science. As for your first question, the loaning team doesn't really have a whole lot of incentive to burn all 110 pitches if he's getting shelled since theoretically they're trying to win games.