Re: The Mass Shootings Thread
Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:21 pm
Damn.
It's the sixth version of The Swamp. What could possibly go wrong?
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let me clarify something...i said it earlier. im not opposed to these measures. you want assault rifles bans, im good with that. ammo restrictions, any of it, gomahead. i agree the shit needs to stop, and im fine with trying any and everything. What im saying and apparently failed to convey is that I dont think these ideas will work. its just my opiniom, from living in Texas literally surrounded by guns, that the genie is out of the bottle. Im not proposing an alternate plan because I cant imagine what will work. Im not washing my hands, just sayimg I dont think any of this will fix anything and thats sad. Am I not allowed skepticism? Again Im not opposed to trying but there has to be more. Any measure at all will probably save lives. fantadtic, im all for it. If the government wants to buy back everygun I have at areasonable markwt value ill turn them in tomorrow. by all means save lives....but my overriding point is this shit will keep happening....not "lets not do anything because this shit will keep happening" but "I dont think this idea you have will accomplish what you are expressing that you are trying to accomplish. For the fiftieth time as a gun owner Im tired of it. Im tired of defending the culture....im tired of being lumped in as some retarded southern republican redneck because I live in Texas and carry a gun and think its really fucking fun to take a shotgun and shoot skeet....fucking take them all I no longer really give a shit. Im not going to whine about it. ..just stop calling me names everytime I express a thoughtA_B wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:16 pmI think you are an idiot. This isn’t a wash your hands of it situation. Do something or don’t. There are two sides. Pick one.TT2.0 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:33 amI think there are flatout too many guns already made and out in the country for this to be realistic. If you stopped firearm production and sales today there are enough guns floating around to arm everyone heavily for the next five generations. It just strikes me as an idealistic fantasy. Im not proposing a solution. I dont think there is a solution. People are shitty and are going to continue to murder people and there isnt a lot we can do about itMoreta wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:59 am And now two kids are dead.
You don’t solve this by shooting a shooter first. You solve this by disarming shooters. You can also make a dent in the rate of completed suicides in this country.
i cant make where i stand any clearer so im done trying to explain myself to you. Fuck you and your stereotypes and insults directed at my intelligence. Im not a fucking snowflake you prickA_B wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:47 am People are shitty and there’s nothing we can do is not a good point. That’s the whole point of the stupid guns don’t kill people people kill people sloganeering. TT may be more reasonable than most but he’s said the above AND said he isn’t turning in guns without a realistic buyback. You can’t have it all three ways.
And then he turned into a fucking snowflake. It’s mind blowing to be honest based on the safe spaces stuff he said. I’ve been called out for opinions people don’t agree with. It happens it’s a discussion. His point is idiotic.
If you’re tired of defending the culture either make your peace and stop defending it or get out of the culture so you don’t have to feel like you need to defend it.
Yeah, that was incredible, and uncomfortable, and just really, really ballsy. How many kids would have the spine to stand there like that, silent in front of a huge crowd that didn't know what you were doing, expecting you to do something and getting antsy? I can't even imagine that kind of poise.
I'm done with going halfway and trying to appease someone that just wants to own a device that's only purpose is to injure or kill. All gun owners are the problem. It's because you do not want to give up your guns that allows everyone to be able to buy guns. Until more gun owners start realizing that they are supporting the violence it will not change.
People are dumb.degenerasian wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:53 pm The GOP and NRA keep pushing this ridiculous narrative that these kids are trying to take their precious guns away, which isn't the case at all. While a total ban would obviously be ideal, it's also not realistic, and the kids know that. They've made it perfectly clear that they're talking specifically about military-style guns (AR-15s), and that they're simply asking for more serious, comprehensive, and common sense legislation in regards to these weapons.
And yet slimy dirtbags like Santorum and Rubio keep pushing this bullshit that their 2nd amendment rights are being threatened, which is the furthest thing from the truth.
This "all or nothing" approach would be doomed to failure. There are thousands of gun owners, particularly in rural areas, who love their hunting rifles, but could be persuaded to support a ban on automatic and semi-automatic "assault-type" weapons. That would be a first step with a good chance of success. Then, the second step (which would be harder), would be a ban on new sales of handguns. But, the only way of success and widespread support, imho, is to take hunting rifles out of your proposed ban.testuser2 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:29 amI'm done with going halfway and trying to appease someone that just wants to own a device that's only purpose is to injure or kill. All gun owners are the problem. It's because you do not want to give up your guns that allows everyone to be able to buy guns. Until more gun owners start realizing that they are supporting the violence it will not change.
I really don't see the point of owning a gun. Other than hunting why do you want one? Do you need it to protect you from other gun owners? Do you like target shooting? Get a bow. Crossbows are alot of fun or go play laser tag.
I agree with this. Hunting is a big part of the culture in a lot of places. Plus, are hunting rifles really a big part of the gun violence problem?sancarlos wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:41 amThis "all or nothing" approach would be doomed to failure. There are thousands of gun owners, particularly in rural areas, who love their hunting rifles, but could be persuaded to support a ban on automatic and semi-automatic "assault-type" weapons. That would be a first step with a good chance of success. Then, the second step (which would be harder), would be a ban on new sales of handguns. But, the only way of success and widespread support, imho, is to take hunting rifles out of your proposed ban.
It really is a huge societal price to pay just because people are so attached to their toys.testuser2 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:29 amI'm done with going halfway and trying to appease someone that just wants to own a device that's only purpose is to injure or kill. All gun owners are the problem. It's because you do not want to give up your guns that allows everyone to be able to buy guns. Until more gun owners start realizing that they are supporting the violence it will not change.
I really don't see the point of owning a gun. Other than hunting why do you want one? Do you need it to protect you from other gun owners? Do you like target shooting? Get a bow. Crossbows are alot of fun or go play laser tag.
I completely agree with this as a process, but that's only beacause gun owners are the problem. We wouldn't need to do it in stages if they gave them up easier. To me that means they are part of the problem.Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:42 amI agree with this. Hunting is a big part of the culture in a lot of places. Plus, are hunting rifles really a big part of the gun violence problem?sancarlos wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:41 amThis "all or nothing" approach would be doomed to failure. There are thousands of gun owners, particularly in rural areas, who love their hunting rifles, but could be persuaded to support a ban on automatic and semi-automatic "assault-type" weapons. That would be a first step with a good chance of success. Then, the second step (which would be harder), would be a ban on new sales of handguns. But, the only way of success and widespread support, imho, is to take hunting rifles out of your proposed ban.
There is a huge discussion here in Calgary about pitbulls. If a pitbull bites somebody (especially a child) there is outrage that pitbulls should be banned.testuser2 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:29 amI'm done with going halfway and trying to appease someone that just wants to own a device that's only purpose is to injure or kill. All gun owners are the problem. It's because you do not want to give up your guns that allows everyone to be able to buy guns. Until more gun owners start realizing that they are supporting the violence it will not change.
I really don't see the point of owning a gun. Other than hunting why do you want one? Do you need it to protect you from other gun owners? Do you like target shooting? Get a bow. Crossbows are alot of fun or go play laser tag.
degenerasian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:51 amThere is a huge discussion here in Calgary about pitbulls. If a pitbull bites somebody (especially a child) there is outrage that pitbulls should be banned.testuser2 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:29 amI'm done with going halfway and trying to appease someone that just wants to own a device that's only purpose is to injure or kill. All gun owners are the problem. It's because you do not want to give up your guns that allows everyone to be able to buy guns. Until more gun owners start realizing that they are supporting the violence it will not change.
I really don't see the point of owning a gun. Other than hunting why do you want one? Do you need it to protect you from other gun owners? Do you like target shooting? Get a bow. Crossbows are alot of fun or go play laser tag.
Same arguments are made such as 'is there any reason to own a pitbull other than to injure or kill?' Then the dog people some out and argue the other side.
I can't say I agree with you as far as all gun owners being the problem and that if every one of them doesn't want to give it up in a buyback program that they're enabling gun violence.testuser2 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:29 amI'm done with going halfway and trying to appease someone that just wants to own a device that's only purpose is to injure or kill. All gun owners are the problem. It's because you do not want to give up your guns that allows everyone to be able to buy guns. Until more gun owners start realizing that they are supporting the violence it will not change.
I really don't see the point of owning a gun. Other than hunting why do you want one? Do you need it to protect you from other gun owners? Do you like target shooting? Get a bow. Crossbows are alot of fun or go play laser tag.
"This is how you look when you claim Cuban heritage yet don't speak Spanish and ignore the fact that your ancestors fled the island when the dictatorship turned Cuba into a prison camp, after removing all weapons from its citizens; hence their right to self defense," said the post, which also included a photo of González at the podium Saturday.
You are learning, Degen. The GOP arguments on most topics are bullshit. They lie about what the Dems believe, and twist it to stoke fears and emotions in their base. Protecting gay rights is an attack on Christianity! They won't stop until every Church in America is shuttered. (And, it's illegal to celebrate Christmas in America). Tax cuts for the rich will trickle down and make everyone wealthy! Dems hate business owners and want to keep everyone poor, otherwise they will lose their voters' support. Dems want healthcare for every American because they are jealous of rich people, and want to take away rich people's advantages. Social safety nets are nothing but lazy brown and black people living high on the hog off of your hard earned money!degenerasian wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:53 pm The GOP and NRA keep pushing this ridiculous narrative that these kids are trying to take their precious guns away, which isn't the case at all. While a total ban would obviously be ideal, it's also not realistic, and the kids know that. They've made it perfectly clear that they're talking specifically about military-style guns (AR-15s), and that they're simply asking for more serious, comprehensive, and common sense legislation in regards to these weapons.
And yet slimy dirtbags like Santorum and Rubio keep pushing this bullshit that their 2nd amendment rights are being threatened, which is the furthest thing from the truth.
I've known that. I've described the 4 pillars (religion, taxes, immigration and guns) many times. But it's gone further than I ever imagined.The Sybian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:52 pmYou are learning, Degen. The GOP arguments on most topics are bullshit. They lie about what the Dems believe, and twist it to stoke fears and emotions in their base. Protecting gay rights is an attack on Christianity! They won't stop until every Church in America is shuttered. (And, it's illegal to celebrate Christmas in America). Tax cuts for the rich will trickle down and make everyone wealthy! Dems hate business owners and want to keep everyone poor, otherwise they will lose their voters' support. Dems want healthcare for every American because they are jealous of rich people, and want to take away rich people's advantages. Social safety nets are nothing but lazy brown and black people living high on the hog off of your hard earned money!degenerasian wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:53 pm The GOP and NRA keep pushing this ridiculous narrative that these kids are trying to take their precious guns away, which isn't the case at all. While a total ban would obviously be ideal, it's also not realistic, and the kids know that. They've made it perfectly clear that they're talking specifically about military-style guns (AR-15s), and that they're simply asking for more serious, comprehensive, and common sense legislation in regards to these weapons.
And yet slimy dirtbags like Santorum and Rubio keep pushing this bullshit that their 2nd amendment rights are being threatened, which is the furthest thing from the truth.
I could go on forever. Watch a little bit of FoxNews, or read Breitbart, and almost everything is a strawman of a ludicrous idea "all Liberals believe," and they believe it because they hate/want to destroy America.
I would also be good with requiring all purchases to be made from registered government dealers (getting rid of all private sales) with all firearms being registered with the government (existing vendors get their inventory bought out at market value, no additional orders from gun manufacturers can be made within six months of the government dealers opening up shop so vendors can't just stock up in the waning weeks and turn an automatic profit at taxpayer expense). Some of the other things listed, such as no sale to people who have been convicted of a violent crime (I'm also fine with suspending the right to purchase if someone has been charged with a violent crime with the right being reinstated if charges are cleared), long waiting period, etc. are all positives in my opinion, as well.brian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:54 am Problem is if you say you're going to do it in stages you're giving some credence to their argument that any firearm ban will ultimately result in all guns being banned, which isn't even close to the truth.
I think the right move is the message these Parkland kids and the other youth leaders have espoused. Ban assault weapons (or however you want to characterize military-style rifles), fund the federal government to be able to research gun violence again, get rid of the gun show background check loophole and raise the age to purchase weapons to age 21.
Then let's see what happens. Gun deaths will still happen of course, but if you getting rid of the tools and weapons that make massacres like Las Vegas, Orlando, Parkland et al easier to accomplish you're saving hundreds of lives right there alone.
Does your fiance want to have a gun in your home for her safety?BSF21 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:26 amI've gone back and forth on buying a handgun for a long time for a couple reasons. I like to target shoot. I am afraid that at some point there will be a change in which I may not be allowed to purchase one, and I do live in an area that has pockets around it prone to crime. I'm out of town a fair bit and my fiance is here alone sometimes. It certainly is a nice safety blanket that I don't want to ever imagine using to protect myself or my family. That said, I don't want to purchase one because I don't want to support gun manufacturers with one penny of my money. I don't believe in how they market, I don't believe in the 2A message, etc.
I think it makes guys feel tough. My parents never owned guns. I've never owned guns. Until recently, my brother had never purchased a gun. He is an attorney and lives in a nice suburb of Denver. But, when I got together with him at my folks' home for Christmas, he excitedly showed me a photograph of the new Glock he had just purchased, "for home security". Fuckin' A.
My point was that you have frequently given credence to the made up bullshit reasoning from the far right.degenerasian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:12 pmI've known that. I've described the 4 pillars (religion, taxes, immigration and guns) many times. But it's gone further than I ever imagined.The Sybian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:52 pmYou are learning, Degen. The GOP arguments on most topics are bullshit. They lie about what the Dems believe, and twist it to stoke fears and emotions in their base. Protecting gay rights is an attack on Christianity! They won't stop until every Church in America is shuttered. (And, it's illegal to celebrate Christmas in America). Tax cuts for the rich will trickle down and make everyone wealthy! Dems hate business owners and want to keep everyone poor, otherwise they will lose their voters' support. Dems want healthcare for every American because they are jealous of rich people, and want to take away rich people's advantages. Social safety nets are nothing but lazy brown and black people living high on the hog off of your hard earned money!degenerasian wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:53 pm The GOP and NRA keep pushing this ridiculous narrative that these kids are trying to take their precious guns away, which isn't the case at all. While a total ban would obviously be ideal, it's also not realistic, and the kids know that. They've made it perfectly clear that they're talking specifically about military-style guns (AR-15s), and that they're simply asking for more serious, comprehensive, and common sense legislation in regards to these weapons.
And yet slimy dirtbags like Santorum and Rubio keep pushing this bullshit that their 2nd amendment rights are being threatened, which is the furthest thing from the truth.
I could go on forever. Watch a little bit of FoxNews, or read Breitbart, and almost everything is a strawman of a ludicrous idea "all Liberals believe," and they believe it because they hate/want to destroy America.
In most cases, a gun is a lot cheaper. And, of course, makes you feel like a badass, which an alarm system does not.
You take the first sentence of my post that deliberately references nuance and quote it.testuser2 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:29 amI'm done with going halfway and trying to appease someone that just wants to own a device that's only purpose is to injure or kill. All gun owners are the problem. It's because you do not want to give up your guns that allows everyone to be able to buy guns. Until more gun owners start realizing that they are supporting the violence it will not change.
I really don't see the point of owning a gun. Other than hunting why do you want one? Do you need it to protect you from other gun owners? Do you like target shooting? Get a bow. Crossbows are alot of fun or go play laser tag.
Actually, it's a thing. If you don't know where your guns are at all times and don't have a log of serial numbers to immediately give to law enforcement once you realize one has been stolen, you're a piece of shit gun owner.
Depends upon the potential for break-ins in your area. Meth doesn't pay for itself.