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Jerloma wrote:Sigh."God holds your lot. He has my future laid out for me," Jones said about the verse. "That takes the pressure off me. Whether I’m here, another team, whatever, it takes the pressure off me knowing he has my future. I can go out there and kind of play aggressive and play the way I want to play.”
Same number of games, the breakdown is: New Browns - 290 tds, 306 ints. Old Manning - 539 tds, 247 ints.A_B wrote:Peyton Manning didn't become a professional football player until 1997, so yes, even worse. And he also took a year off!Pruitt wrote:Hey, that's misleading.Rush2112 wrote:and something interesting about the Browns, Peyton Manning has as many TD passes in his career as the Cleveland Browns do since 1983.
The Browns took three seasons off in the late 90s. Therefore, not so bad?
But seriously, wow... what a dismal stat.
Better than every team (except maybe the Packers? Patriots?) but I can't be bothered to look it up.tennbengal wrote:Wouldn't Manning against most teams be pretty equal for that time period?
Right - I termed that wrong - was thinking that Manning would be at least as good and better than pretty much every other team for that timeframe - I get that people are trying to make fun of the Browns but that's a hard measuring stick. It's not like they had a chance at Manning and passed on him.Pruitt wrote:Better than every team (except maybe the Packers? Patriots?) but I can't be bothered to look it up.tennbengal wrote:Wouldn't Manning against most teams be pretty equal for that time period?
But surely, none quite as awful as the Browns.
Right...of course the guy who has thrown more TDs than anyone over the time span that includes only his own career will have more than any other team. Seems almost a lock.mister d wrote:But the original stat was from 1983.
Colts?A_B wrote:Right...of course the guy who has thrown more TDs than anyone over the time span that includes only his own career will have more than any other team. Seems almost a lock.mister d wrote:But the original stat was from 1983.
Given the shitshow that was the interim year I don't think it'll be a problem, but this or NE seems like the closest bet. Cause it's not like Bledsoe was a slouch.rass wrote:Colts?A_B wrote:Right...of course the guy who has thrown more TDs than anyone over the time span that includes only his own career will have more than any other team. Seems almost a lock.mister d wrote:But the original stat was from 1983.
Manning has thrown 37 more TD than Luck since leaving Indy. So we need to come up with 38 TDs between non-Manning Colts starts through the 2011 season and non-Luck starts (through) this season.
The guy pre-Rodgers in GB is better than the guy pre-Brady in NE.A_B wrote:Given the shitshow that was the interim year I don't think it'll be a problem, but this or NE seems like the closest bet. Cause it's not like Bledsoe was a slouch.rass wrote:Colts?A_B wrote:Right...of course the guy who has thrown more TDs than anyone over the time span that includes only his own career will have more than any other team. Seems almost a lock.mister d wrote:But the original stat was from 1983.
Manning has thrown 37 more TD than Luck since leaving Indy. So we need to come up with 38 TDs between non-Manning Colts starts through the 2011 season and non-Luck starts (through) this season.
Yeah, I'm running out of steam on this, too.A_B wrote:True, true. If only i cared enough to go look!
If they are convinced he sucks - if that really is their reasoning for not playing him, then they should cut him now and save the money they are paying him (assuming his contract is not guaranteed). But, since they are keeping him on the roster, one can assume they hold out hope that he will develop into an NFL quarterback, and if so, that takes us full circle to the point that then they should be playing him during this lost season so that he has his best chance to develop.HaulCitgo wrote:If you think you know Jonny Football sucks you dont have to give him game snaps to confirm. I am perfectly happy moving on without wasting half a season. The next guy is going to need a very good team surrounding him regardless of who you find. And you have to get to mediocre before you get to playoff/super bowl level and might as well start on that "rest of the team" part with these 8 games. Only benefit of playing him is the mental comfort. If you cant be confident in your evaluations after 2 years everyday with the guy then thats a bigger problem than the QB.
Wasn't it the Central when the Bucs won it?Rush2112 wrote:The Tampa Bay Bucs have won the NFC North more recently than the Lions.
Yeah, since the Bucs have never played in the NFC North, it would have been hard for them to win it.govmentchedda wrote:Wasn't it the Central when the Bucs won it?Rush2112 wrote:The Tampa Bay Bucs have won the NFC North more recently than the Lions.
True, but it's the same division. It was the South divisions that were created.brian wrote:Yeah, since the Bucs have never played in the NFC North, it would have been hard for them to win it.govmentchedda wrote:Wasn't it the Central when the Bucs won it?Rush2112 wrote:The Tampa Bay Bucs have won the NFC North more recently than the Lions.
Rush2112 wrote:True, but it's the same division. It was the South divisions that were created.brian wrote:Yeah, since the Bucs have never played in the NFC North, it would have been hard for them to win it.govmentchedda wrote:Wasn't it the Central when the Bucs won it?Rush2112 wrote:The Tampa Bay Bucs have won the NFC North more recently than the Lions.
So perhaps Bucs have won the NFC North/Central more recently is more correct.
I apologize for just copy and pasting, but just shows that the Lions aren't typically a very good team.
A bad, bad call on that one. Should have kicked a field goal. And Fitzpatrick is and always was the Josh McCown of the Ivy league.The Sybian wrote:So, nobody watched the Jets Bills game? shitty first 3 quarters, but exciting ending. Bills handed the Jets the game, and the Jets threw it away. Threw it away to a 3rd string blocking TE who didn't understand the play. During the press conference, Rex looked a hell of a lot like Parcells.
Yeah, kicking a FG there is actually a terrible strategy as with less than 4 minutes left, there's no guarantee you'll get the ball back with enough time for a real drive. As it stands, the Bills got a few first downs on their final drive and the Jets didn't get it back until there were only 30 seconds left. Dan Quinn got rightfully ripped for kicking a FG in that exact scenario against the 49ers last week. The Falcons didn't touch the ball again.Gunpowder wrote:Are you talking about the 4th down play at the end of the 4th? What's wrong with not kicking a field goal there?
I have the gift of hindsight, so I know it was the wrong call!Gunpowder wrote:Are you talking about the 4th down play at the end of the 4th? What's wrong with not kicking a field goal there?
Yep.Gunpowder wrote:Right, so even if you fail you plan on getting it back at the 50.
I can't figure out why the Bills hate Christmas.Pruitt wrote:Yep.Gunpowder wrote:Right, so even if you fail you plan on getting it back at the 50.
And on an unrelated note, those uniforms were atrocious.
I'm all for going for the TD there, and iirc, they could still get the first down. Unless I'm confusing it with a different drive. I don't like putting the game in the hands of a third string blocking TE who sees the field 5 plays a game. The Jets #1 pass catching TE gets 1 or 2 targets a game, so you have to figure this chump isn't a great receiver. On first down, Ivory picked up 8. He was a beast in the 4th quarter, why start calling cutesy passing plays? Keep feeding Ivory, and he at a minimum picks up the first down in 3 tries. Marshall was clearly not healthy and unable to get open, so he was out as a goal line option. Keep running Ivory.Gunpowder wrote:Are you talking about the 4th down play at the end of the 4th? What's wrong with not kicking a field goal there?
Nope. Didn't like the red for them. The Bills current normal set might be my favorite in the league right now.degenerasian wrote:hmm i thought those Bills uniforms were awesome.
Nope, the Jets unis sucked too. What was the deal, another money making scam to sell the shirts?rass wrote:Nope. Didn't like the red for them. The Bills current normal set might be my favorite in the league right now.degenerasian wrote:hmm i thought those Bills uniforms were awesome.
The Jets on the other hand looked great. Just switch to that shade of green, and never go mono color with jersey and pants again.
Nope.The Sybian wrote:Nope, the Jets unis sucked too.rass wrote:Nope. Didn't like the red for them. The Bills current normal set might be my favorite in the league right now.degenerasian wrote:hmm i thought those Bills uniforms were awesome.
The Jets on the other hand looked great. Just switch to that shade of green, and never go mono color with jersey and pants again.
Of course it is. Is there anything the NFL does that isn't aimed at making 32 extremely wealthy more extremely wealthy?The Sybian wrote:Nope, the Jets unis sucked too. What was the deal, another money making scam to sell the shirts?rass wrote:Nope. Didn't like the red for them. The Bills current normal set might be my favorite in the league right now.degenerasian wrote:hmm i thought those Bills uniforms were awesome.
The Jets on the other hand looked great. Just switch to that shade of green, and never go mono color with jersey and pants again.
DSafetyGuy wrote:The Sybian wrote:
Of course it is. Is there anything the NFL does that isn't aimed at making 32 extremely wealthy more extremely wealthy?
Side note to that: Last night, I found myself pondering the possibility of DeflateGate being created and intentionally strung out by the NFL as a device to distract the masses from anything else that might pop up and simply not caring how bad Goodell or the league looked because it had an overwhelming value as a distraction from real problems.
The thing is that the NFL's real problems -- concussions, criminal acts by its players, etc. -- don't seem to have done anything to lessen the popularity of the league. The NBA is the best it's been in at least 20 years and it's still a very distant second in popularity among U.S. professional sports leagues. The fact that the NFL has the shortest season (and the highest leverage regular season games), is the easiest sport to gamble on, and is the most popular league for fantasy make it a juggernaut despite all its known problems. The only way I could see the NFL actually taking a hit is if youth participation completely dries up due to health/liability concerns. But there's no sign of that happening anytime soon. For as much heat as Goodell is taking, he's not going anywhere. People don't resign from $40M/year jobs very often and the owners have continued to make a ton of money during his tenure.The Sybian wrote:DSafetyGuy wrote:The Sybian wrote:
Of course it is. Is there anything the NFL does that isn't aimed at making 32 extremely wealthy more extremely wealthy?
Side note to that: Last night, I found myself pondering the possibility of DeflateGate being created and intentionally strung out by the NFL as a device to distract the masses from anything else that might pop up and simply not caring how bad Goodell or the league looked because it had an overwhelming value as a distraction from real problems.
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