It's the sixth version of The Swamp. What could possibly go wrong?
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Well, I agree with that, but just like if you were wanting to go listen to NDT talk about some of his theories, you accept that he knows more than you and that his insights are therefore more valuable. People going to church put that same trust in their pastor.Jerloma wrote:Well sure but I don't care if you're Thomas Aquinas...until you can demonstrate that something is true, being a scholar of it doesn't make your insight valuable any more than being a scholar of say...Greek mythology. (When applied to the real world of course. It's valuable in a literary education sense.)
HodorJerloma wrote:My kids actually go to church with my wife when she feels inclined to actually go. I don't mind at all but I tell them three things...Sybian wrote:But as an adult, I have to agree with J-Lo. The Abraham circumcision story really makes no sense, and I was really thinking about it this morning, and sealed the deal that I'm not teaching my kids religion until they are old enough to question what they are told.
1. That person standing in front of a room is just a person like you and me sharing their opinion. They have no deeper insights into things we can't observe than anyone else.
2. That book they're reading is just a book like Harry Potter or Junie B Jones is a book. There's nothing magical about it...whatsoever.
3. There's no such thing as hell. Anyone who tries to threaten you with pain and torture for not thinking the same thing that they think is a bad person and should not be trusted.
This tends to make the indoctrination process challenging. If they do embrace these ideas...so be it. But it will be because they find them plausible; not because they find them tenacious.
Also, when my kids ask me questions about the world, I tend not to make things up. If you expose them to the wonders of science at an early age...those miracles in the bible just come off looking cheap and tawdry.
And if they ask me what happens after we die, I don't tell them we're just worm food either. I just tell them that nobody really knows but the unknown shouldn't scare you. Then I ask them what they think happens after we die.
Okay, that's all you get. No charge for that, fellas.
NDT isn't saying that you should believe something because he has great knowledge of it. He's saying it's true because it can be observed and/or predicted based on laws of the universe that have been empirically tested so many times that we can reasonably deem them to be consistent. I understand that parishioners view their pastors as insightful but that's because they've already assumed that what they're talking about is true without him or her having to demonstrate it. NDT would be insulted if you believed what he said just because he's a famous astrophysicist. This is what makes science so awesome.They have no deeper insights into things we can't observe than anyone else.
Actually, I'm pretty sure in one of his books on Quantum Physics, NDT said that if the reader questioned his theories, than NDT would banish him to an eternity in a wormhole.Jerloma wrote:This is what I said...
NDT isn't saying that you should believe something because he has great knowledge of it. He's saying it's true because it can be observed and/or predicted based on laws of the universe that have been empirically tested so many times that we can reasonably deem them to be consistent. I understand that parishioners view their pastors as insightful but that's because they've already assumed that what they're talking about is true without him or her having to demonstrate it. NDT would be insulted if you believed what he said just because he's a famous astrophysicist. This is what makes science so awesome.They have no deeper insights into things we can't observe than anyone else.
I'm gonna guess all of them. I would guess that most perform an average of one or more per day.bfj wrote:I wonder how many OB/GYN's practice circumcisions. I trust the experts.
I hear horror stories from people who get circumcised and can't walk for a year.Shirley wrote:I'm gonna guess all of them. I would guess that most perform an average of one or more per day.bfj wrote:I wonder how many OB/GYN's practice circumcisions. I trust the experts.
I watched my kids get circumcised. They were both less than 1 day old and it only took a few seconds. A small amount of blood, a bandage for a couple of days and that's it.
Honestly, it was MUCH less traumatic to them than the various shots they have to get in their first six months.
Well played, skin test. And BFJ, like Shirley said, I would venture a guess that my wife's OB/GYN has performed over 3,000 circumcisions. He has been delivering babies for about 40 years, on average 200 a year. And that isn't taking multiples into account. The procedure took less than 2 minutes, healed in a couple of days. Doesn't seem very complicated. I trusted the guy to perform surgery to cut my wife's abdomen open, remove her internal organs, cut her uterus open and remove our babies on 2 occasions, so I think I can trust him to pull a loose flap of skin off. The guy is a licensed surgeon FFS.AB_skin_test wrote:I hear horror stories from people who get circumcised and can't walk for a year.Shirley wrote:I'm gonna guess all of them. I would guess that most perform an average of one or more per day.bfj wrote:I wonder how many OB/GYN's practice circumcisions. I trust the experts.
I watched my kids get circumcised. They were both less than 1 day old and it only took a few seconds. A small amount of blood, a bandage for a couple of days and that's it.
Honestly, it was MUCH less traumatic to them than the various shots they have to get in their first six months.
Not fucking.Jerloma wrote:I have no idea if you're fucking with me or not so I'm just gonna go to sleep.
Yeah, the guy is a total nerd. Everything he does is dripping in irony. He actually married the girl he lost his virginity to.ZMan wrote:Not fucking.Jerloma wrote:I have no idea if you're fucking with me or not so I'm just gonna go to sleep.
I had never even heard of Minchin until you posted a couple of his vids here, and those are all I've seen. I assumed that was the way he was. Is that just an on stage persona?
ZMan wrote:Any clips of the real him? It kind of bothers me when a performer is always in char and never comes out. Especially in an interview. If I want to see your act, I'll buy a ticket. You're being interviewed now...be yourself, that's what we want to see.
Yeah man...all kinds of shit like that where he comes off as a completely genuine normal guy...good 3 part interview starts here...ZMan wrote:Any clips of the real him? It kind of bothers me when a performer is always in char and never comes out. Especially in an interview. If I want to see your act, I'll buy a ticket. You're being interviewed now...be yourself, that's what we want to see.
Okay...that's absolutely fantastic. I've been waiting for the novel Jaws to come out but not the actual novel...the novel based on the movie that's based on the novel. These people are the fucking best.
“Art Vandalay” wrote: “I know we’re supposed to be bagging on Jindal here but that’s too easy. I don’t get Ken Miller. I mean, he’s obviously an extremely intelligent and competent evolutionary biologist and he did all that great work in Dover, completely dismantling ID. At the end of the day, the guy believes in theistic evolution. He believes that what’s been going on with natural selection over the last 3 billion years or so has been a divinely guided process with homo-sapiens being the intended result of all of it. I simply fail to see how that’s any more scientific than ID.”
No, I don’t believe that natural selection is a “divinely guided process,” and I’ve stated that clearly time and time again. I accept the evidence, which is that evolution is a fully-naturalistis process, and that the outcome of that process is not predetermined or guided by outside forces.
Here’s the difference between my view (which is the mainstream scientific view) and ID: I believe that natural processes were fully sufficient to bring about the world of life we see today. An ID-er believes that they were not. Clear enough?
– Ken Miller
"G-d did it" is not religiously based?Shirley wrote:I actually watched that documentary a few weeks back with my wife. She teaches Education Law at a law school with a lot of idiot Christian students who tend to fall on the wrong side of this "debate." (in quotes, because come-fucking-on) She actually has to be a little careful in the way she tells these people they are fucking idiots.
Actually, from a purely legal perspective, it's not that difficult an issue, or at least it shouldn't be. Unfortunately, these people try to claim that ID is NOT religiously based.
Heh...something like that already happened.The Sybian wrote:As a side note, if a Hindu or any non-Judeo-Christian science teacher in a Louisiana public school felt compelled to teach their religions creation myth story as an equivalent to evolution, I'm sure that'd be fine with Jindal and the rest of the ID'ers, right?
Jerloma wrote:Heh...something like that already happened.The Sybian wrote:As a side note, if a Hindu or any non-Judeo-Christian science teacher in a Louisiana public school felt compelled to teach their religions creation myth story as an equivalent to evolution, I'm sure that'd be fine with Jindal and the rest of the ID'ers, right?
They realized that would be a problem, so they did a Find And Replace on their textbook to change it to "designer". I shit you not. In fact, that's one of the smoking guns that led to them them losing this case. They were so sloppy, that they actually fucked up other words:The Sybian wrote:"G-d did it" is not religiously based?Shirley wrote:I actually watched that documentary a few weeks back with my wife. She teaches Education Law at a law school with a lot of idiot Christian students who tend to fall on the wrong side of this "debate." (in quotes, because come-fucking-on) She actually has to be a little careful in the way she tells these people they are fucking idiots.
Actually, from a purely legal perspective, it's not that difficult an issue, or at least it shouldn't be. Unfortunately, these people try to claim that ID is NOT religiously based.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Intelligent_design" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;In the Kitzmiller case, the disguise was patently obvious. "Intelligent design proponents" there sought to have the book Of Pandas and People, a creationist screed, taught as part of a new "intelligent design" curriculum at the local Dover public high school. ID supporters hoped to prove at trial that the book was legitimate science, and not creationism. However, there was one slight problem - the book was a book about creationism, with the words "creator," "creationism," etc., merely replaced with "designer," "intelligent design," etc. by a basic word-processor "find/replace" function. The ruse was made glaringly obvious by spelling errors like "cdesign proponentsists."[6]
That's fantastic. Miller didn't exactly have his hands full, did he.The ruse was made glaringly obvious by spelling errors like "cdesign proponentsists."
That looks like the greatest movie ever. It is like Monty Python, Mel Brooks, and Quentin Tarantino rolled into one.
Yeah, just the poster. In college, Clockwork was my favorite movie what with the Poli. Sci and Psych majors. And the warped mentality, love of Ludwug van, the Ultra-violence and the ol' In-out in-out.sancarlos wrote:And, a hint of Clockwork Orange. (at least in the poster.)
Wwe dressed up for Halloween as the Droogies.The Sybian wrote:In college, Clockwork was my favorite movie what with the Poli. Sci and Psych majors. And the warped mentality, love of Ludwug van, the Ultra-violence and the ol' In-out in-out.
It was all fun and games until you raped some lady with a giant phallic piece of modern art.Steve of phpBB wrote:Wwe dressed up for Halloween as the Droogies.The Sybian wrote:In college, Clockwork was my favorite movie what with the Poli. Sci and Psych majors. And the warped mentality, love of Ludwug van, the Ultra-violence and the ol' In-out in-out.
It was frightening how aggressive we got.
