2016 NHL Offseason Thread

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Fri May 06, 2016 12:10 pm

Boudreau may be a Senator and Jagr going to foil up for another season in Florida.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Fri May 06, 2016 3:10 pm

wlu_lax6 wrote:Boudreau may be a Senator and Jagr going to foil up for another season in Florida.

I'd guess Boudreau to the Flames. Senators ' owner is a cheapskate.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri May 06, 2016 3:29 pm

Its apparently not happening, but I would have been fine if the Rangers fired AV and everyone on the outside said "but look at his record/points/playoffs/whatever in his three years".

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Sun May 08, 2016 2:31 pm

Senators hire former Tampa Bay coach Guy Boucher.
Eta: Boudreau to Minnesota

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:57 am

I'm excited that the Sharks don't have any key players that are UFA this offseason, and that the Ducks might be hiring anti-analytics pro-goon caveman Randy Carlyle as their new coach. And that the Kings appear to be stuck with the horrible contract that is Dustin Brown, while apparently not having the cap room to resign UFA Milan Lucic. Bodes well for the Pacific division race next season.

Hey, Mr. D, I saw a piece yesterday floating the idea of the Rangers trading Nash to the Sharks for Marleau and a late-round pick. Intriguing. The Sharks do need a top six left wing, but Benoit Pouliot from the Oilers seems a better fit, contractually.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:09 am

I could be off, but I'm thinking if we deal Nash it'll be similar to the Gaborik deal where we get a few younger pieces that add up to less than Nash's contract rather than swapping for another contract. We (badly) need some payroll flexibility and he seems like the only place we can get it without a shitload of luck (Girardi, Staal) or compromising the core (those horrific Stepan rumors).

Pouliot ... good luck. He's frustrating as F to watch play because of the incessant brain farts and offensive zone penalties but he's also a bucket of talent. Him and Stralman are the two guys I could see the advanced stats on and never reconcile them to what I was watching most nights.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:04 am

Jeeeeeeesus. Today does nothing to convince me Chicago didn't step in shit just as much or more than they "built" their semi-dynasty.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:06 am

mister d wrote:Jeeeeeeesus. Today does nothing to convince me Chicago didn't step in shit just as much or more than they "built" their semi-dynasty.

Expand on this, please. Saw the Teravainen/Bickell trade, but I'm not sure what you mean.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:18 am

govmentchedda wrote:
mister d wrote:Jeeeeeeesus. Today does nothing to convince me Chicago didn't step in shit just as much or more than they "built" their semi-dynasty.
Expand on this, please. Saw the Teravainen/Bickell trade, but I'm not sure what you mean.

I love this. Offloaded the worst contract they've issued in recent memory. Teuvo regressed this year and this frees up money for next year because, hot take incoming, Artemi Panarin is likely going to want more than 825,000$ per year to play hockey in the future.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:18 am

I think as amazing of a job as they've done drafting, Bowman has done an equally shitty job handling the cap and trading. Look at who they've sent out in the past like 6 seasons; Ladd, Byfuglien, Campbell, Frolik, Leddy, Sharp, Saad and now Teravainen. I get the whole "can't keep everyone" logic, its obviously true, but he's repeatedly picked the wrong guy to trade or been forced to trade a legit (usually young) asset because of some horrible previous decision. They've gotten results, that's inarguable, but you can't not get results as GM with the talent the scouting department keeps bringing in and Quenneville as your coach.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:21 am

How does a 21 year old regress?

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:21 am

Side note: I could spend all day on generalfanager.com -- you can just sit there and dream up all kinds of what if scenarios. So much information.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:26 am

mister d wrote:How does a 21 year old regress?

I get your point there, but more importantly, he let down my fantasy team.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:26 am

mister d wrote:How does a 21 year old regress?

I guess regress was a poor choice. He did not make the jump I thought he would.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:36 am

I mean, that's fine, but do you want to bet against him the next 5 years?

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:39 am

More to the overall point, you shouldn't have to give away players like that but its happened repeatedly because he keeps making all the wrong decisions on who to pay.

(And you just know this is to pay Shaw too much. You know it.)

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:43 am

mister d wrote:I mean, that's fine, but do you want to bet against him the next 5 years?

Versus freeing up space for Panarin, signing another defenseman or two (which was their main weakness over the course of the season), maybe being able to resign Shaw/Panik, and generally being more versatile? Yes.

Could be also that Carolina wanted him as a condition for taking Bickell, which I would totally understand and do in a heartbeat.

He has great potential. I'm just saying if someone other than Bicks had to go, I'm not crying over here. I'm by no means great at breaking all this down, but the Hawks have a unique situation having 88, 18, 2, and 7 on the same roster, and it comes back to what you said "you can't keep everyone". Tevuo is probably looking at 4/yr+ when he resigns.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:59 am

mister d wrote:More to the overall point, you shouldn't have to give away players like that but its happened repeatedly because he keeps making all the wrong decisions on who to pay.

(And you just know this is to pay Shaw too much. You know it.)

I hope they don't, but Shaw is young and plays an important role on this team. My hope is he matures along the way and cuts down on the dumb shit, but he provides a dimension other guys don't.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:05 pm

BSF21 wrote:
mister d wrote:More to the overall point, you shouldn't have to give away players like that but its happened repeatedly because he keeps making all the wrong decisions on who to pay.

(And you just know this is to pay Shaw too much. You know it.)
I hope they don't, but Shaw is young and plays an important role on this team. My hope is he matures along the way and cuts down on the dumb shit, but he provides a dimension other guys don't.

I think of Shaw as a less-talented Brad Marchand (or, a more-talented Steve Ott). I wonder what size/length of contract he'll get.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:14 pm

BSF21 wrote:Versus freeing up space for Panarin, signing another defenseman or two (which was their main weakness over the course of the season), maybe being able to resign Shaw/Panik, and generally being more versatile? Yes.

You can justify most any deal by saying "well, it frees up money for (hypothetical gains)"; my point is there shouldn't be any choosing between Teravainen and Panarin, especially at this stage. Not to do the whole appeal to authority thing, but if anyone can recognize when a front office eschews team friendly deals during RFA years in order to misidentify their core at market rates then pays then pays the price later, I'm pretty sure its Rangers fans. I'm terrified of what's going to happen with our RFAs (and Stepan) in the next month. Chicago made all the same mistakes (Kruger, Bickell, Seabrook, probably Crawford (relative to who they let go), etc), they've just had the high core to cover for it.

(Also, defense was a weakness and now a need in large part because they handed off Nick Leddy for a similar reason as today's deal. I'm sure those savings had some justifiable use at the time too.)

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:18 pm

Funny, iirc, Quenneville didn't trust Leddy and he played low playoff minutes in Chicago, but as soon as he went to the Islanders, he was part of their top four.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:40 pm

Another thought I just saw in a thread and didn't think about was that TT was going to be the odd man out on a protected list for the expansion draft, so this move made more sense from a value standpoint. Just another view to consider.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:50 pm

Yeah, that's definitely not the case. Toews, Kane, Shaw (assumed), Kruger, Anisimov and Hossa. He was their 7th (or 6th, if Shaw walks).

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:05 pm

Panik resigns. Lots going on in Chitown today.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:06 pm

4 years, $3.5MM AAV and a full no movement clause, I assume?

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:07 pm

BSF21 wrote:
mister d wrote:I mean, that's fine, but do you want to bet against him the next 5 years?
Versus freeing up space for Panarin, signing another defenseman or two (which was their main weakness over the course of the season), maybe being able to resign Shaw/Panik, and generally being more versatile? Yes.

Could be also that Carolina wanted him as a condition for taking Bickell, which I would totally understand and do in a heartbeat.

He has great potential. I'm just saying if someone other than Bicks had to go, I'm not crying over here. I'm by no means great at breaking all this down, but the Hawks have a unique situation having 88, 18, 2, and 7 on the same roster, and it comes back to what you said "you can't keep everyone". Tevuo is probably looking at 4/yr+ when he resigns.

I'm pretty much on the same page. I don't know that I agree with Mr. D that the Hawks have been keeping the wrong guys. They certainly seem to know what they are doing, and I don't think that all comes down to six core players and Coach Q.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:16 pm

I'm just saying that if you assume the draft picks are scouting and not Bowman himself, a lot of GMs would have done a much better job at the extend vs. trade decisions.

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:56 am

.....................

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:58 am

Maybe they better let Fleury be the first on the team to have his day with the Cup, so he can do it while he is still a Penguin.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Jun 16, 2016 12:10 pm

Makes sense given that Fleury's struggles come in the playoffs.

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu Jun 16, 2016 12:29 pm

mister d wrote:Makes sense given that Fleury's struggles come in the playoffs.

Two for one. Wow.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu Jun 16, 2016 1:21 pm

They're getting that from Eric Francis who is an absolute arse that always makes things up.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:38 pm

Good, Calgary is where the Red Wings are supposed to be trying to send Howard this summer.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:51 pm

DSafetyGuy wrote:Good, Calgary is where the Red Wings are supposed to be trying to send Howard this summer.

Not without retaining 40%+ they aren't. No one is taking that contract unless they are a floor team.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:57 pm

BSF21 wrote:
DSafetyGuy wrote:Good, Calgary is where the Red Wings are supposed to be trying to send Howard this summer.
Not without retaining 40%+ they aren't. No one is taking that contract unless they are a floor team.

I think you over-estimate Brian Burke.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Jun 16, 2016 5:20 pm

Merging the two here ... what are the odds Burke or a Burke-like GM wouldn't pay way too much for 31 year old Corey Crawford?

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:09 pm

mister d wrote:Merging the two here ... what are the odds Burke or a Burke-like GM wouldn't pay way too much for 31 year old Corey Crawford?

I hope not because there is no one in this system even close to being ready to be that guy.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:16 pm

Better a year too early ...

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:24 pm

mister d wrote:Better a year too early ...

Not without a decent replacement.

And, I am loving seeing the Kings in some disarray, now. Stripping your captain of his "C" is always a bit of a mess and humiliation, and it couldn't happen to a more deserving POS than Dustin Brown. And, his bloated contract makes him pretty much untradeable. Reminds me a bit of the messy offseason the Sharks had two years ago, coincidentally, after they lost a disappointing playoff series to the Kings. Can't wait for the other shoe to drop when Lucic signs with Vancouver.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:03 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote:
BSF21 wrote:
mister d wrote:I mean, that's fine, but do you want to bet against him the next 5 years?
Versus freeing up space for Panarin, signing another defenseman or two (which was their main weakness over the course of the season), maybe being able to resign Shaw/Panik, and generally being more versatile? Yes.

Could be also that Carolina wanted him as a condition for taking Bickell, which I would totally understand and do in a heartbeat.

He has great potential. I'm just saying if someone other than Bicks had to go, I'm not crying over here. I'm by no means great at breaking all this down, but the Hawks have a unique situation having 88, 18, 2, and 7 on the same roster, and it comes back to what you said "you can't keep everyone". Tevuo is probably looking at 4/yr+ when he resigns.
I'm pretty much on the same page. I don't know that I agree with Mr. D that the Hawks have been keeping the wrong guys. They certainly seem to know what they are doing, and I don't think that all comes down to six core players and Coach Q.

Some good commentary here, on what is going on in Carolina and Chicago. Carolina could be a really good team in a couple years. (Although signing Cam Ward to a big extension appears to be idiocy.)