Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:52 am
by brian
For starters, I think Shannon is right and it would be kind of nice to someone in the political media to even remotely acknowledge it.
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:26 am
by Pruitt
Love that interplay between someone using classic fiction tropes and a guy who gets it.
Trump can't be analyzed as if he is Charles Foster Kane - Shannon is right, there are no hidden levels to the guy.
"He's having the time of his fucking life." People salute him for God's sake!
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:33 am
by mister d
The only place I differ is I don't think its pure bliss, I think there's a manic insecurity side too that needs to be even more exploited.
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:40 am
by brian
mister d wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:33 am
The only place I differ is I don't think its pure bliss, I think there's a manic insecurity side too that needs to be even more exploited.
I think that's fair/accurate. Not to dig too deep, but it seems pretty obvious to me at least that he's mentally unstable/unwell so that all plays into it, but basically it all comes down to him not being able of any kind of reflection (neither self-reflection or any kind of critical thought, period). He's all id. He can see a story on Fox and Friends one morning saying that we should get back on the gold standard and by the afternoon the economists in the White House have to have explained to him 100 times why that would be a horrible idea. But when you're a fountain of horrible ideas, all the gatekeepers in the world aren't going to keep some of the bad ideas from leaking out. (And of course, many of the really horrible ideas are well-beloved right-wing dogma and as such aren't going to be rejected.)
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
But it’s a tremendous form of energy in the sense that in a military way — think of it — coal is indestructible.
You can blow up a pipeline, you can blow up the windmills. You know, the windmills, boom, boom, boom [mimicking windmill sound] bing [mimes shooting large gun], that’s the end of that one. If the birds don’t kill it first. The birds could kill it first. They kill so many birds. You look underneath some of those windmills, it’s like a killing field, the birds. But you know, that’s what they were going to, they were going to windmills. And you know, don’t worry about — when the wind doesn’t blow, I said, ‘What happens when the wind doesn’t blow?’ ‘Well, then we have a problem.’
Okay, good. They were putting them in areas where they didn’t have much wind, too. And it’s a subs — you need subsidy for windmills. You need subsidy. Who wants to have energy where you need subsidy? So, uh, the coal is doing great.
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:10 am
by Ryan
I wondered why birdanol was so cheap lately
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:45 pm
by brian
Just speculation, but sounds like Cohen is flipping.
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:52 pm
by Joe K
From CNN’s article:
As part of the plea deal under discussion, Cohen is not expected to cooperate with the government, one source said.
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:54 pm
by brian
Bummer. Though guessing that means he's not getting much of a sweetheart deal for his plea. Wonder if there's state charges to be made against him as well. That would be funny.
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:44 pm
by Johnnie
I'm in Salem right now. This witch hunt is so much better than the ones they capitalize on here.
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:48 pm
by Nonlinear FC
CNN crawl or chiron said plea deal includes prison time.
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:25 pm
by mister d
Johnnie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:44 pm
I'm in Salem right now. This witch hunt is so much better than the ones they capitalize on here.
Gulu Gulu?
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:46 pm
by Nonlinear FC
Manafort guilty on 8 counts. No idea which ones.
They could still prosecute the other 10... Depends on lots of factors, but it's not like he's free and clear of the ones they jury couldn't come to a decision on.
CNN saying that if sentencing is harsh, he's looking at over 70 years.
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:46 pm
by tennbengal
That was quite a 10 minutes of news. Cohen pleads out and Manafort guilty on 8 of 18, hung jury on other 10.
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:50 pm
by Nonlinear FC
And now Cohen is admitting in his plea that he is guilty of campaign finance law, specifically around the hush money payments to Daniels and McDougal. He did it with coordination and direction from Trump.
So, there's that, I guess.
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:52 pm
by mister d
Hey guys, maybe this is what sinks him.
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:53 pm
by tennbengal
I wonder who that might be.
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:55 pm
by Steve of phpBB
Dayum.
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:56 pm
by brian
Keep throwing Trump associates on the pyre for the time being though.
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:56 pm
by mister d
I almost want the reveal to be "Hillary Clinton".
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:58 pm
by Steve of phpBB
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:46 pm
Manafort guilty on 8 counts. No idea which ones.
Five false tax returns, two bank frauds, and one failure to file the FBAR statement? But they found him guilty on only one of the four FBAR counts and hung on the other three.
No one knows what time Manafort is really facing until they run the guilty charges through the sentencing guidelines.
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:59 pm
by GoodKarma
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:46 pm
Manafort guilty on 8 counts. No idea which ones.
They could still prosecute the other 10... Depends on lots of factors, but it's not like he's free and clear of the ones they jury couldn't come to a decision on.
CNN saying that if sentencing is harsh, he's looking at over 70 years.
edited b/c Steve got the counts in first
Definitely curious to see what the actual sentence will be. My bet is no where close to the max
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:00 pm
by tennbengal
But seriously, Cohen's plea directly points at Trump.
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:02 pm
by Nonlinear FC
tennbengal wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:00 pm
But seriously, Cohen's plea directly points at Trump.
It absolutely does. There's no wiggle room on it. He was talking about Trump.
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:04 pm
by Nonlinear FC
Also, on Manafort, remember he still has a trial in October in DC.
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:05 pm
by brian
Jesus, I forgot there's a Trump rally tonight too. He's going to be ripshit.
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
tennbengal wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:00 pm
But seriously, Cohen's plea directly points at Trump.
It absolutely does. There's no wiggle room on it. He was talking about Trump.
I mean, full stop. That's the headline for me, at any rate.
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:08 pm
by Steve of phpBB
tennbengal wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:00 pm
But seriously, Cohen's plea directly points at Trump.
*Frantically checks PACER to see if the plea documents have been posted yet*
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:14 pm
by Johnnie
mister d wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:52 pm
Hey guys, maybe this is what sinks him.
Says who?
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:16 pm
by Pruitt
And I was wondering what I should watch tonight.
ETA:
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:18 pm
by Joe K
brian wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:05 pm
Jesus, I forgot there's a Trump rally tonight too. He's going to be ripshit.
To make matters worse, authorities found the body of that missing U. of Iowa college student today and have charged an undocumented immigrant with her murder. Pence has already met with the girl’s family so I fear that Trump will make this a cause celebre for himself.
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:19 pm
by brian
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:19 pm
by Johnnie
Pruitt wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:16 pm
And I was wondering what I should watch tonight.
The Downfall of America is a good show.
It's on every channel at the same time.
Re: The Indictment Thread (Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part II)
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:20 pm
by brian
Huge grain of salt and all that, but if you think there's a chance in hell Omarosa might have saved anything good up to now (I don't), then Trump's day might get even worse: