This kid was different- he’s clearly been on the radar since he has been with all the us teams starting with u14. It’s a massive fuckup and one of the things from having no real “GM” position in the federation.
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:07 pm
by mister d
The Sybian wrote:First, there are dozens of young guys out there who are eligible for multiple countries and have the potential to eventually be National Team players. Fans are always in a hurry to cap tie them (make them only eligible for USMNT), but most of them will never pan out, so you can't throw roster spots to these kids prematurely, as it's a crap shoot.
Hindsight being 20/20, sure, but what's the downside to using a spot on a kid most people consider a future starter over another legacy veteran who almost assuredly isn't going to play?
GOALKEEPERS (3): Brad Guzan (Atlanta United FC; 15/0), Tim Howard (Colorado Rapids; 37/0), Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake; 0/0)
MIDFIELDERS (10): Kellyn Acosta (FC Dallas; 5/0), Juan Agudelo (New England Revolution; 0/0), Paul Arriola (D.C. United; 5/1), Alejandro Bedoya (Philadelphia Union; 9/0), Michael Bradley (Toronto FC/CAN; 38/7), Benny Feilhaber (Sporting Kansas City; 6/0), Dax McCarty (Chicago Fire; 0/0), Darlington Nagbe (Portland Timbers; 9/0), Christian Pulisic (Borussia Dortmund/GER; 11/5), Gyasi Zardes (LA Galaxy; 4/1)
FORWARDS (4): Jozy Altidore (Toronto FC/CAN; 39/16), Clint Dempsey (Seattle Sounders FC; 41/18), Chris Wondolowski (San Jose Earthquakes; 0/0), Bobby Wood (Hamburg/GER; 12/4)
The Sybian wrote:In other words, it's not as easy as it sounds to throw an untested 18 year old into a WC qualifier.
Right, I get not using him in a "real" match, but what about the pair of 6 goal matches against St. Vincent. After, like 4-0, what's the downside there in locking a kid in long term?
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:08 pm
by tennbengal
Nothing.
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:50 pm
by Rex
Is it realistic that this guy is going to make the Mexico WC roster this year? Is there some empty promise going on? I'm game for a USSF bitch session but is this particular one legitimate?
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:27 pm
by wlu_lax6
Rex wrote:Is it realistic that this guy is going to make the Mexico WC roster this year? Is there some empty promise going on? I'm game for a USSF bitch session but is this particular one legitimate?
you mean like Julian Greene
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:00 pm
by mister d
But what's the downside? Diskerud wouldn't have been on the bench for St. Vincent?
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:26 pm
by A_B
if a kid is good enough to be in he Mexican top 11 at his age we should have got him cap tied. Worth it even if he's adu.
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:00 pm
by The Sybian
mister d wrote:Right, I get not using him in a "real" match, but what about the pair of 6 goal matches against St. Vincent. After, like 4-0, what's the downside there in locking a kid in long term?
St. Vincent game, sure. Stick a kid on the bench who is a flight risk, and cap tie him at the end of the game. Beyond taking a spot from another player on the bench, it's taking a spot at camp. This has been done a number of times, Julian Green is probably the most recent. He was the biggest sure thing for the US until Pulisic, and Green has completely fizzled. The other thing is whether a young kid wants to accept the cap and lock himself in at such a young age if he knows he isn't actually considered as an option, but just being cap tied. I would think they would choose to keep their options open and see which country is the better fit when they are actually capable of being on the team.
I hate seeing guys like Wondo getting called in when younger guys are available, but sometimes you need veteran presence in camp to set the tone. That is supposedly why Rimando is always there. Wondo, I can't explain, because he wasn't a USMNT fixture. Beasley makes more sense for his experience.
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:14 am
by wlu_lax6
wlu_lax6 wrote:Winter Camp Roster Below ----Going young in the coal. Hamid is the only goalie with time in net...So Sean Johnson not a candidate at all? ----Arriola, Zardes, and Morris are the vets...and Morris is coming off hamstring that ended his season early.
GOALKEEPERS (4): Alex Bono (Toronto FC/CAN; 0/0), Bill Hamid (Midtjylland/DEN; 4/0), Cody Cropper (New England Revolution; 0/0), Zack Steffen (Columbus Crew SC; 0/0)
DEFENDERS (9): Danny Acosta (Real Salt Lake; 0/0), Justen Glad (Real Salt Lake; 0/0), Nick Lima (San Jose Earthquakes; 0/0), Justin Morrow (Toronto FC/CAN; 3/0), Ike Opara (Sporting Kansas City; 0/0), Tim Parker (Vancouver Whitecaps FC/CAN; 0/0), Matt Polster (Chicago Fire; 0/0), Brandon Vincent (Chicago Fire; 1/0), Walker Zimmerman (Los Angeles Football Club; 1/0)
MIDFIELDERS (11): Tyler Adams (New York Red Bulls; 1/0), Paul Arriola (D.C. United; 15/2), Russell Canouse (D.C. United; 0/0), Marky Delgado (Toronto FC/CAN; 0/0), Marlon Hairston (Colorado Rapids; 0/0), Ian Harkes (D.C. United; 0/0), Brooks Lennon (Real Salt Lake; 0/0), Cristian Roldan (Seattle Sounders FC; 1/0), Kelyn Rowe (New England Revolution; 3/1), Wil Trapp (Columbus Crew SC; 2/0), Gyasi Zardes (LA Galaxy; 37/6)
FORWARDS (6): Juan Agudelo (New England Revolution; 27/3), Dom Dwyer (Orlando City SC; 4/2), Jordan Morris (Seattle Sounders FC; 24/5), Christian Ramirez (Minnesota United FC; 0/0), Rubio Rubin (Unattached; 4/0), CJ Sapong (Philadelphia Union; 3/0)
So listening to Grant Wahl's podcast and learned that F.C. Dallas did not release their players for this camp. So that likely knocked out Acosta, Jesse Gonzalez, and Matt Hedges.
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:47 am
by tennbengal
The Sybian wrote:
mister d wrote:Right, I get not using him in a "real" match, but what about the pair of 6 goal matches against St. Vincent. After, like 4-0, what's the downside there in locking a kid in long term?
St. Vincent game, sure. Stick a kid on the bench who is a flight risk, and cap tie him at the end of the game. Beyond taking a spot from another player on the bench, it's taking a spot at camp. This has been done a number of times, Julian Green is probably the most recent. He was the biggest sure thing for the US until Pulisic, and Green has completely fizzled. The other thing is whether a young kid wants to accept the cap and lock himself in at such a young age if he knows he isn't actually considered as an option, but just being cap tied. I would think they would choose to keep their options open and see which country is the better fit when they are actually capable of being on the team.
I hate seeing guys like Wondo getting called in when younger guys are available, but sometimes you need veteran presence in camp to set the tone. That is supposedly why Rimando is always there. Wondo, I can't explain, because he wasn't a USMNT fixture. Beasley makes more sense for his experience.
I just don't see any logical counter-argument to not have cap tied him late in the cycle. The feelings of 30+ year olds?
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:06 am
by wlu_lax6
The Sybian wrote:The other thing is whether a young kid wants to accept the cap and lock himself in at such a young age if he knows he isn't actually considered as an option, but just being cap tied. I would think they would choose to keep their options open and see which country is the better fit when they are actually capable of being on the team.
We have seen this a few times come out in our favor. A kid who really wants a U.S. call up turns down another call up or asks the national team not to call him in yet so he does not have to say "no".
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:16 pm
by mister d
Sure, and if that’s the case it’s totally fair. But I think you take the chance he’d be young and flattered and would lock in.
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:56 pm
by degenerasian
CONCACAF news for 2022, Canada has overnight fired its coach and promoted to the women's coach to be the mens coach. Who does this?
ESPN wrote:Furth president Helmut Hack said at the time: "Timothy Tillman is the biggest talent we have had for 30 years. His departure is a catastrophe for our club."
Last year, Bayern president Uli Hoeness personally vetoed Tillman's potential move to Barcelona, his agent told Sport Bild.
yeah, i think that is the same piece I was referencing. Or a piece writing up that piece. In any event, it is absolutely infuriating.
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:18 am
by wlu_lax6
Did anyone watch the game last night? I feel asleep about 8 minutes in. Only thing interesting I saw was the early cross from the left side which looked dangerous. Sounds like Hamid and Steffen both had slight mishaps and the US created one dangerous shot.
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:20 am
by wlu_lax6
Also I am really enjoying Hercules Gomez's take on Jonathan Gonzales. He has been able to connect with the Gonzales family and it sounds like the US Soccer story is not so right. Additionally Gomez is not happy that they talk about Gonzales "falling through the cracks."
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:29 am
by mister d
wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:18 am
Did anyone watch the game last night? I feel asleep about 8 minutes in. Only thing interesting I saw was the early cross from the left side which looked dangerous. Sounds like Hamid and Steffen both had slight mishaps and the US created one dangerous shot.
Weirdly, I'm pretty sure I fell asleep right around the exact same time. The last thing I remember is Zimmerman getting mad at the ref.
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:42 am
by tennbengal
wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:18 am
Did anyone watch the game last night? I feel asleep about 8 minutes in. Only thing interesting I saw was the early cross from the left side which looked dangerous. Sounds like Hamid and Steffen both had slight mishaps and the US created one dangerous shot.
I did. Most of second half anyway. Not much jumped out.
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:09 am
by wlu_lax6
Look who was key to both of WB's goals (the shot into the goalie and the cheeky chip)
You get fined for this when they catch you on video.
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:29 pm
by The Sybian
He is no Vinnie Jones.
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:37 pm
by The Sybian
Fuck, it was a different game in Jones' day. He was a fucking animal. That tackle on Cantona was only a yellow.
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:45 pm
by wlu_lax6
So the US Soccer Annual General Meeting is underway. Who will be the new President? Gets decided on Saturday.
The list of candidates (in alphabetical order): Paul Caligiuri, Kathy Carter, Carlos Cordeiro, Steve Gans, Kyle Martino, Hope Solo, Michael Winograd and Eric Wynalda.
SBI straw poll has this going to Martino (same as Stars and Stripes FC). However, that is not worth squat
Grant says the Athletes Council is not decided yet and represents 20% of the votes. But that 20% is diluted as Guzan won't be there (ATL has a match) and Leslie Osborne just had a kid.
2017 National Council shares (in Maui):
Youth Council (25.8%)
Adult Council (25.8%)
Professional Council (25.8%)
Athletes Council (20%)
Miscellaneous (2.6%)
Note: 2018 percentages will only vary slightly.
wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:45 pm
So the US Soccer Annual General Meeting is underway. Who will be the new President? Gets decided on Saturday.
The list of candidates (in alphabetical order): Paul Caligiuri, Kathy Carter, Carlos Cordeiro, Steve Gans, Kyle Martino, Hope Solo, Michael Winograd and Eric Wynalda.
SBI straw poll has this going to Martino (same as Stars and Stripes FC). However, that is not worth squat
Grant says the Athletes Council is not decided yet and represents 20% of the votes. But that 20% is diluted as Guzan won't be there (ATL has a match) and Leslie Osborne just had a kid.
2017 National Council shares (in Maui):
Youth Council (25.8%)
Adult Council (25.8%)
Professional Council (25.8%)
Athletes Council (20%)
Miscellaneous (2.6%)
Note: 2018 percentages will only vary slightly.
So the 6 candidates of change are trying to get a voting agreement to basically say if they go to round 2 voting, the top of the list of the 6 should get all of the votes in round 2. This voting process is so sportacrat, it is awesome. http://sbisoccer.com/2018/02/report-six ... r-election
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:04 pm
by The Sybian
We clearly need change, so let's go Hope Solo and see what happens!
Come to think of it, that's exactly what we did in the Presidential election by electing Trump. Vote Hope Solo, we will win so much you'll be sick of winning.
Re: 2022 is a long way away USA Soccer Thread
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:34 pm
by wlu_lax6
US U-18s picked up 2 wins against Costa Rica...2-1 come from behind and 3-0.
GOALKEEPERS: David Ochoa (Real Salt Lake; Oxnard, Calif.), Jacob Schick (Chargers Soccer Club; Palm Harbor, Fla.), Kris Shakes (Philadelphia Union; Austin, Texas)
DEFENDERS: Julian Araujo (Barca Academy; Lompoc, Calif.), Nico Benalcazar (New York City FC; Wilton, Conn.), Ian Hoffmann (Karlsuher SC; Karlsruher, Germany), Nelson Martinez (D.C. United; Woodbrigde, Va.), David Mendoza (Chicago Fire; Gage Park, Ill.), Leonardo Sepulveda (LA Galaxy; Corona, Calif.)
MIDFIELDERS: Taylor Booth (Unattached; Eden, Utah), Cameron Duke (Sporting KC; Overland Park, Kan.) Roberto Hategan (Sacramento Republic F.C.; Chicago, Ill.), Aidan Morris (Crew SC Academy; Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.), Owen Otasowie (Wolverhampton Wanderers F.C.; New York, N.Y.), Marcelo Palomino (Houston Dynamo; Houston, Texas), Stuart Ritchie (FC Groningen; Pleaston, Calif.) Thomas Roberts (FC Dallas; Little Rock, Ark.), Indiana Vassilev (Aston Villa F.C.; Savannah, Ga.)
FORWARDS: Konrad De La Fuente (FC Barcelona; Barcelona, Spain), Jalen Hawkins (FC Bayern Munich; Regensburg, Germany), Ulysses Llanez (LA Galaxy; Lynwood, Calif.), Bryan Reynolds (FC D
Wow, Pulisic at #2 in the world! Shame Zelalem has been injured, I'd love to see him get back in action. The kid has so much raw talent, not sure if he will ever develop, though.
wanted to update this. The Copa America wanted to try 16 teams with 3 invited from each of CONCACAF and AFC. But now it's back to the original 12 teams and just Japan and Qatar. No USA or Mexico. Seems to me a really strange decision. After the 2016 Copa Centenario.
