2018 NFL Season
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:52 pm
I am here for the Pat Mahomes portion of the proceedings:
It's the sixth version of The Swamp. What could possibly go wrong?
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there's been a lot of local talk of getting a second-rounder for Smith which seems like a pipe dream. but given the desperation at quarterback by some NFL teams, who the hell knows.brian wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:58 pm Yeah, that's 30 yards on a clothesline into a covered WR. Pretty amazing throw.
And with a whole offseason to prepare and a pretty grim cap situation, I absolutely could see the Chiefs trying to move Smith. They would get $17M in cap relief (if I have my numbers right) and Smith might be attractive to a team that needs a one-year bridge to a younger QB. Can think of a lot of places where he might get some attention. Don't think the Chiefs are going to get much in assets back, but even a third-rounder or something like that would be a pretty decent result for KC.
Smith comes with a much bigger cap hit (and much higher age) though.tennbengal wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:20 am Bronto, the bengals almost got a 2nd for McCarron. I would think Smith could pull at least that in this market.
And when the Bengals needed McCarron's help to win a playoff game, he actually did his part.brian wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:25 amSmith comes with a much bigger cap hit (and much higher age) though.tennbengal wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:20 am Bronto, the bengals almost got a 2nd for McCarron. I would think Smith could pull at least that in this market.
Absolutely agree. Living here in the Bay Area, Smith's local supporters started chirping in 2015 when Kaepernick was going downhill under Chip Kelly and Smith was having relative success in KC, and really didn't stop until Jimmy G arrived. But your last sentence hits it on the head.Joe K wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:12 pm Alex Smith will always be defined for me by the 2012 NFC TItle Game against the Giants. Smith had decent stats by virtue of two long TDs by Vernon Davis, but when the game was there for the taking he could not make a play to save his life. 49ers fans who regret moving on from him are out of their minds, because there’s no way Smith wins 3 road playoff games (against Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers and Can Newton) in 2013-14 like Kaepernick was able to.
Kaep was decent under Kelly but the defense was awful. Like historically bad. Dead last in rushing yards allowed by a wide margin (only the Browns were within 25 yards/game and even them just barely). And opposing QBs had a 30-10 TD/INT ratio and averaged a 97 QB rating.
Yeah. That's why Kaep can't get a job, I think. No one wants him coming in and ruining their defense.Joe K wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:35 pmKaep was decent under Kelly but the defense was awful. Like historically bad. Dead last in rushing yards allowed by a wide margin (only the Browns were within 25 yards/game and even them just barely). And opposing QBs had a 30-10 TD/INT ratio and averaged a 97 QB rating.
Eagles got a 1st and a 4th for Sam Bradfordtennbengal wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:20 am Bronto, the bengals almost got a 2nd for McCarron. I would think Smith could pull at least that in this market.
Well, the Vikings were in panic mode at that time, after Bridgewater went down.Avram wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:42 pmEagles got a 1st and a 4th for Sam Bradfordtennbengal wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:20 am Bronto, the bengals almost got a 2nd for McCarron. I would think Smith could pull at least that in this market.
That was all in the 2015 season under Jim Tomsula. The Kelly season was 2016. Gabbert started the first 6 games in 2016 I believe, as Kaepernick was coming off offseason shoulder surgery. But Kaepernick started every game once he returned to the lineup.
and I think that McCarron was almost a second because the Browns thought they had to do something after not getting Jimmy Grapes.sancarlos wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:44 pmWell, the Vikings were in panic mode at that time, after Bridgewater went down.Avram wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:42 pmEagles got a 1st and a 4th for Sam Bradfordtennbengal wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:20 am Bronto, the bengals almost got a 2nd for McCarron. I would think Smith could pull at least that in this market.
I referenced 2015 because that was the year I referenced in my original post about Kaep's fall from favor - which as you noted did start with Tomsula, before Kelly. And, certainly, injuries were a factor.Joe K wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:51 pmThat was all in the 2015 season under Jim Tomsula. The Kelly season was 2016. Gabbert started the first 6 games in 2016 I believe, as Kaepernick was coming off offseason shoulder surgery. But Kaepernick started every game once he returned to the lineup.
True - but much higher plug and play upside to the right team - Jacksonville, say. Or Denver maybe. Or even Buffalo.brian wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:25 amSmith comes with a much bigger cap hit (and much higher age) though.tennbengal wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:20 am Bronto, the bengals almost got a 2nd for McCarron. I would think Smith could pull at least that in this market.
Joe K wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:12 pm Alex Smith will always be defined for me by the 2012 NFC TItle Game against the Giants. Smith had decent stats by virtue of two long TDs by Vernon Davis, but when the game was there for the taking he could not make a play to save his life. 49ers fans who regret moving on from him are out of their minds, because there’s no way Smith wins 3 road playoff games (against Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers and Can Newton) in 2013-14 like Kaepernick was able to.
That's his only shot. If one of Alex Smith or Tyrod Taylor isn't in Jacksonville next year, either Bortles somehow took the Jags to the Super Bowl this year or someone is just determined to minimize that defense.tennbengal wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:08 pm I'm just saying, while Smith's downside is noted via Gunpowder and Ryan, I also think he has significant 2018 value to Jacksonville, for one. There should be a market for him if KC is ready to move on. Which they should be.
Agreed.Gunpowder wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:56 pmThat's his only shot. If one of Alex Smith or Tyrod Taylor isn't in Jacksonville next year, either Bortles somehow took the Jags to the Super Bowl this year or someone is just determined to minimize that defense.tennbengal wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:08 pm I'm just saying, while Smith's downside is noted via Gunpowder and Ryan, I also think he has significant 2018 value to Jacksonville, for one. There should be a market for him if KC is ready to move on. Which they should be.
What truly has most of the value in this scenario is "not Blake Bortles".
"The Good Place" is a really good show.Gunpowder wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:56 pmThat's his only shot. If one of Alex Smith or Tyrod Taylor isn't in Jacksonville next year, either Bortles somehow took the Jags to the Super Bowl this year or someone is just determined to minimize that defense.tennbengal wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:08 pm I'm just saying, while Smith's downside is noted via Gunpowder and Ryan, I also think he has significant 2018 value to Jacksonville, for one. There should be a market for him if KC is ready to move on. Which they should be.
What truly has most of the value in this scenario is "not Blake Bortles".
and mentions they need a defense!
As you watch the NFL playoffs this weekend, feel free to scream as you realize again what you already feared last weekend: Except for Tom Brady, there isn’t a quarterback in the postseason who is significantly better than Kirk Cousins.
As I will show statistically later in this column, in the whole NFL only Aaron Rodgers joins Brady as entirely out of Cousins’s class.
Imagine thinking that Kirk Cousins is in the same class as Drew Brees and Ben Roethlisberger. I like how he uses the Saints' running game to dismiss Brees, as if Brees hasn't spent the vast majority of his sure-fire, first ballot HOF career absolutely carrying the Saints offense.Pruitt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:11 am Either on Drugs or in Love
Or merely an example of someone taking stats and bending them to fit their narrative.
As you watch the NFL playoffs this weekend, feel free to scream as you realize again what you already feared last weekend: Except for Tom Brady, there isn’t a quarterback in the postseason who is significantly better than Kirk Cousins.
As I will show statistically later in this column, in the whole NFL only Aaron Rodgers joins Brady as entirely out of Cousins’s class.
Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:20 pm I'm checking out anytime someone writes "As I will show statistically later in this column"
Amen!Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:20 pm I'm checking out anytime someone writes "As I will show statistically later in this column"
so to clarify you didn't bet at all?
That took a lot of the sting out of the Bills loss for me - the realization that they'd lose by 30 points tonight.Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:28 pmso to clarify you didn't bet at all?
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last Saturday feels like so long ago. and then I realize the Chiefs would have lost tonight anyway, so it really didn't matter what happened last week.