The Swamp

A_B wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:24 pm

sancarlos wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:11 pm Cooks must wonder what he has to do to stay in one place for awhile.

Maybe he’s a shit bird or something. He’s pretty talented to be traded two years in a row.

Pats weren't going to resign him, so better to get some value for him..he's still on his rookie contract so still relatively easy to trade.

Must be because he's a Republican.

So no to Kaepernick but yes to the pile of kindling that is 2018 RGIII.

Ok.

and the Dez era is over in big D.

Brilliant move to open up that cap space after free agency.

"unknowing contamination." So he ate at Canelo's steak house.

The Ben Johnson defence still holds sway.

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:29 am THIS is why I don't like Josh Allen. He's like an inverse Alex Smith in a lot of ways but very similar in many others, and it often results in running himself into sacks.

If one of Allen’s defenders doesn’t reply back “we’ll, at least he knows where the back of the end zone is,” they’re doing it wrong.

Will Cain is advocating for Josh Allen?

this is perhaps the most unsurprising news of the decade

He is terrible

I seriously avoid everything he's on

granted, the only debate stuff I watch on ESPN is college football live, but he's Clay Travis lite

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:01 pm Will Cain is advocating for Josh Allen?

this is perhaps the most unsurprising news of the decade

I know nothing about Will Cain, but a perusal of his tweets makes me conclude he is a particularly big fan of Baker Mayfield.

Fuck me. Guess I’m done with the NFL.

Coincidentally I was in South Padre that very same week. Of course I managed to not rape anyone.

There's no way to know. Two (3) people know. Anyone else is blowing smoke.

HaulCitgo wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 10:07 pm There's no way to know. Two (3) people know. Anyone else is blowing smoke.

Statistically there’s about a 95 percent chance he’s a rapist and the fact he was actually indicted bumps it even more likely in my book. He should be fired by midnight.

Bullshit. Hearing one side of the story means jackshit. Please don't serve on a jury.

I think Brian’s point is that, apart from the facts of this specific incident, false allegations of rape are exceptionally rare. Especially in cases where an indictment is returned. So in the overwhelming number of cases where a woman chooses to go forward to the police, something criminal did happen. Those probabilities obviously aren’t a basis for a conviction but I sure don’t think it’s an unreasonable basis for him to choose not to root for a particular NFL team.

HaulCitgo wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 10:18 pm Bullshit. Hearing one side of the story means jackshit. Please don't serve on a jury.

So you dispute the statistics regarding the occurrence of rape allegations proven to be made up? How are you an actual lawyer?

Joe K wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 10:27 pm I think Brian’s point is that, apart from the facts of this specific incident, false allegations of rape are exceptionally rare. Especially in cases where an indictment is returned. So in the overwhelming number of cases where a woman chooses to go forward to the police, something criminal did happen. Those probabilities obviously aren’t a basis for a conviction but I sure don’t think it’s an unreasonable basis for him to choose not to root for a particular NFL team.

And for someone to be dismissed if said allegations come to light. Exactly correct.

Just don't think an indictment necessarily means much. Particularly in a rape case. I guess I'd have to review the research to know a particular percentage but they call it he said she said for a reason. It's really hard to know. The other side of this can be compellibg as well.

I could just be a pussy libtard but I think you have to cut ties with anyone who might be a rapist. I mean I agree the individual facts in any case matter because there can be false allegations but imagine how convincing the evidence must have been to get an indictment for a sexual assault on South Padre in the mid-90s. I mean seriously think about that. This isn’t Tom Brokaw smacking a woman’s ass. This is a brutal rape that was reported. There had to have been some physical evidence you’d assume.

If there are 20 accusations just like this, 15-19 will be true, but 20 dudes will be defended by people who know him as a great guy who would never do this. I'm with Brian on the percentages here.

Also ... clearly this leak comes from New England, right? Just feels so on the nose.

Because this is a worthwhile conversation, ill offer (without knowing or having any research) that its likely that those percentages change depending on the situation. Would think acquaintance rape has a higher false allegation rate than stranger rape. Would think that race also changes those percentages. Would guess that that percentage changes when multiple people are involved. Athlete involvement and age likely changes the percentage. Obviously alcohol/drug impairment impacts those percentages too.

At the least in this guys case, the presence of a third person makes for a variety of factual scenarios. Also probably made the case a lot harder to make for the prosecutor. Not to mention brings up the question of whether consent to one dude = consent to his buddy. Clearly the answer seems no but what when its unclear or when impairment brings into question that consent. Not saying thats what occurred here, just to ask a million other questions that make rape allegations a lot more difficult to discern. Particularly in the sports league and educational institutional context vs. criminal justice.

Understood, I guess, but all those variables go into the denominator Brian first brought up. Most every case will have something that might make it seem potentially false. Most of those cases won't be false.

Big difference though between 98% and say 66%

Yeah, either way the majority actually raped someone but even if you can get your head wrapped around jailing (or firing/expelling) 2/100 innocent guys, there no way you can do that to 1/3. You have to put yourself in those shoes. I get that there is a victim but you cant double up the injustice by assuming all allegations are true.

mister d wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 8:06 am Also ... clearly this leak comes from New England, right? Just feels so on the nose.

I'm walking into a trap here right? Why would they leak something that would retroactively make themselves look 10-years stupid?

In rape cases, the most important thing is that the victim is taken seriously - even if it proves out that nothing improper happened after investigation. It seems that they did take her seriously, as they were immediately arrested and charges were filed. It's hard to know what happened to cause her not to show up and pursue it, but - and it pains me to say this because I feel strongly about these types of things and if she were raped then the rapists need to see justice - it seems like the law worked as it should have in this instance.

My question is why we are reading about this now? This story was reported on at the time - Patricia's been in the public eye for years. No one thought to do an in depth search on his name before?

Deadspin Found The Story In Less Than A Minute

One has to wonder, if Patricia had uttered anti-police brutality comments while allegedly assaulting this woman, if things would have turned out differently.

Ryan wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 8:58 amI'm walking into a trap here right? Why would they leak something that would retroactively make themselves look 10-years stupid?

Why did they retroactively say they had a pill addicted manager? I'm not say the franchise, I'm saying if the genesis of "hey, did you hear ..." came from someone north and east of me who has known this for longer than a month.

mister d wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 9:12 am

Ryan wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 8:58 amI'm walking into a trap here right? Why would they leak something that would retroactively make themselves look 10-years stupid?

Why did they retroactively say they had a pill addicted manager? I'm not say the franchise, I'm saying if the genesis of "hey, did you hear ..." came from someone north and east of me who has known this for longer than a month.

I'm guessing part of the reason the Lions didn't due the proper due diligence is because Patricia had been employed in the NFL for several years already, so there was probably a level of "we'd know already if this dude was bad."

Yeah, that's a good point. Lazy on their part, but can definitely see that happening.

Do we really believe "no one knew"?

Nothing really to add here, but one of the lesser fucked up things about rape is that if the person accused was accused of assaulting a woman with his fist, foot, or head instead of his dick there's no blaming the victim.

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 12:39 pm Nothing really to add here, but one of the lesser fucked up things about rape is that if the person accused was accused of assaulting a woman with his fist, foot, or head instead of his dick there's no blaming the victim.

Isn't it because sex is a common act and it has to be proven that it wasn't?
There is no instance of using your fist, foot or head against someone that can be deemed a common act.

You've got a long way to go, kid.

This is kind of disquieting: