The Swamp

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:22 pm**

A_B wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:54 pm
L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:26 pm I get these guys are adults and they can take the little bit of embarrassment, but I think the definition of an Own-Goal is pretty loose. Take this score off the corner kick by Belgium. Kompany went high and headed it, and on the way towards the net, it got deflected off Fernadinho's upper arm/shoulder as he was jumping to defend it and it went in. I didn't see that as any different than when in hockey the winger centers it into the trash in front of the net, the center one-times it and it deflects off a defender trying to make a play and into the net. No one would place the blame on the defender in the hockey sense, as it happens frequently enough. It seems odd that defenders they are so much more "blamed" in soccer.
The rule is generally if the shot is on goal they will let the offensive player have it even if it's deflected. I don't think it was going to be on target without the deflection.

There's not really an official FIFA "rule" that is applied consistently. Some leagues don't count inadvertent deflections as an OG, others do. There weren't even official guidelines until fairly recently because they needed to clear things up for goal scoring competitions (and probably for some gambling situations).

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:24 pm**

It’s kind of pathetic how much Fox is pumping up England now that Mexico is out.

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:30 pm**

Lukaku is playing like a BEAST today....

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:37 pm**

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:22 pm
A_B wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:54 pm
L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:26 pm I get these guys are adults and they can take the little bit of embarrassment, but I think the definition of an Own-Goal is pretty loose. Take this score off the corner kick by Belgium. Kompany went high and headed it, and on the way towards the net, it got deflected off Fernadinho's upper arm/shoulder as he was jumping to defend it and it went in. I didn't see that as any different than when in hockey the winger centers it into the trash in front of the net, the center one-times it and it deflects off a defender trying to make a play and into the net. No one would place the blame on the defender in the hockey sense, as it happens frequently enough. It seems odd that defenders they are so much more "blamed" in soccer.
The rule is generally if the shot is on goal they will let the offensive player have it even if it's deflected. I don't think it was going to be on target without the deflection.
There's not really an official FIFA "rule" that is applied consistently. Some leagues don't count inadvertent deflections as an OG, others do. There weren't even official guidelines until fairly recently because they needed to clear things up for goal scoring competitions (and probably for some gambling situations).

They've made a guideline a while ago, but I agree it isn't consistent.

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:41 pm**

A_B wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:37 pm
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:22 pm
A_B wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:54 pm
L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:26 pm I get these guys are adults and they can take the little bit of embarrassment, but I think the definition of an Own-Goal is pretty loose. Take this score off the corner kick by Belgium. Kompany went high and headed it, and on the way towards the net, it got deflected off Fernadinho's upper arm/shoulder as he was jumping to defend it and it went in. I didn't see that as any different than when in hockey the winger centers it into the trash in front of the net, the center one-times it and it deflects off a defender trying to make a play and into the net. No one would place the blame on the defender in the hockey sense, as it happens frequently enough. It seems odd that defenders they are so much more "blamed" in soccer.
The rule is generally if the shot is on goal they will let the offensive player have it even if it's deflected. I don't think it was going to be on target without the deflection.
There's not really an official FIFA "rule" that is applied consistently. Some leagues don't count inadvertent deflections as an OG, others do. There weren't even official guidelines until fairly recently because they needed to clear things up for goal scoring competitions (and probably for some gambling situations).

They've made a guideline a while ago, but I agree it isn't consistent.

Yeah, I'm old... 1997 feels "recent" to me.

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:42 pm**

Belgium WAY too easy to open up in the middle. What are they doing?

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:45 pm**

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:41 pm
A_B wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:37 pm
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:22 pm
A_B wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:54 pm
L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:26 pm I get these guys are adults and they can take the little bit of embarrassment, but I think the definition of an Own-Goal is pretty loose. Take this score off the corner kick by Belgium. Kompany went high and headed it, and on the way towards the net, it got deflected off Fernadinho's upper arm/shoulder as he was jumping to defend it and it went in. I didn't see that as any different than when in hockey the winger centers it into the trash in front of the net, the center one-times it and it deflects off a defender trying to make a play and into the net. No one would place the blame on the defender in the hockey sense, as it happens frequently enough. It seems odd that defenders they are so much more "blamed" in soccer.
The rule is generally if the shot is on goal they will let the offensive player have it even if it's deflected. I don't think it was going to be on target without the deflection.
There's not really an official FIFA "rule" that is applied consistently. Some leagues don't count inadvertent deflections as an OG, others do. There weren't even official guidelines until fairly recently because they needed to clear things up for goal scoring competitions (and probably for some gambling situations).

They've made a guideline a while ago, but I agree it isn't consistent.
Yeah, I'm old... 1997 feels "recent" to me.

Looking at that list... Man, that Jeff Agoos OG was fucking amazing. He CRUSHED that shit.

ETA - Eh, memory was different than reality, looking at YouTube.

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:00 pm**

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:10 pm**

Not having a specific team to root for has increased my enjoyment. Im sure that isn't a piping hot take.

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:32 pm**

Same. "I sure am just enjoying these games" is a very foreign (pun?) feeling.

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:38 pm**

I've been rooting for Belgium, since my grandfather was born there and it's part of my heritage. So, it's been nice so far!

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:58 pm**

DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:30 pm Lukaku is playing like a BEAST today....

Him, Fellani, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Chadli, Courtois... hell, all of them.

But Man of the Match is Hazard. He must have run 50 miles out there.

And Martinez looks like a genius sticking that big clod Fellani in there (Chadli too). It seemed like every time Coutinho got the ball, he was immediately facing Fellani, Alderweireld or Witsel.

Great stuff.

And it's always nice to see Brazil knocked out of the tournament. It's been over 30 years since they had the type of team that people still think they have.

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:05 pm**

You forgot Kompany. He was also "very on the field" in this match.

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:16 pm**

Absolutely. Kompany was huge. The whole Belgian team played at their peak.

And you know, most of the Brazil team did as well. Something about that Yellow shirt makes people think they are gods among men, and they can only lose to a powerful team (like Belgium) if they are not playing well. Seen it for a number of tournaments.

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:37 pm**

A_B wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:10 pm Not having a specific team to root for has increased my enjoyment. Im sure that isn't a piping hot take.

I think I post too much.

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:39 pm**

Pruitt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:58 pm
DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:30 pm Lukaku is playing like a BEAST today....
Him, Fellani, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Chadli, Courtois... hell, all of them.

But Man of the Match is Hazard. He must have run 50 miles out there.

And Martinez looks like a genius sticking that big clod Fellani in there (Chadli too). It seemed like every time Coutinho got the ball, he was immediately facing Fellani, Alderweireld or Witsel.

Great stuff.

And it's always nice to see Brazil knocked out of the tournament. It's been over 30 years since they had the type of team that people still think they have.

They lack a finisher, which is remarkable with Neymar out there. But the amount of dangerous chances they create and the lack of finishing is pretty stunning.

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:35 pm**

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:50 pm
A_B wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:48 pm Pogba is just so in control of everything.
France's midfield is going to destroy Belgium's -- assuming that they hang on -- but I'm fascinated to see how Belgium's ability to attack down the flanks will challenge Pavard and Hernandez.

You think? Or, am I just inaccurately labeling Hazard and DeBruyne as mids? Because those two are bosses, and Fellaini has a bit of a role with this squad.

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:32 pm**

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:39 pm
They lack a finisher, which is remarkable with Neymar out there. But the amount of dangerous chances they create and the lack of finishing is pretty stunning.

Firmino coming off the bench made no sense.

Posted: **Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:22 am**

Imagine a world where England and the Maple Leafs win championships.

Posted: **Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:55 am**

This is all heading toward Russia knocking off England in a way that provokes an international incident, right?

Posted: **Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:38 am**

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:35 pm
Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:50 pm
A_B wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:48 pm Pogba is just so in control of everything.
France's midfield is going to destroy Belgium's -- assuming that they hang on -- but I'm fascinated to see how Belgium's ability to attack down the flanks will challenge Pavard and Hernandez.
You think? Or, am I just inaccurately labeling Hazard and DeBruyne as mids? Because those two are bosses, and Fellaini has a bit of a role with this squad.

I was referencing their formation yesterday, which was pretty much a midfield three of Chadli, Fellaini and Witsel with the awesome three higher up the pitch.

I also think that De Bruyne in a deeper position would get bossed by Pogba and Kante. But De Bruyne and Hazard vs. France's backs? Oh boy.

Posted: **Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:47 am**

Pruitt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:32 pm
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:39 pm
They lack a finisher, which is remarkable with Neymar out there. But the amount of dangerous chances they create and the lack of finishing is pretty stunning.
Firmino coming off the bench made no sense.

I didn't get that either....along with leaving Argentina not starting Aguero.

Posted: **Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:51 am**

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:38 am
govmentchedda wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:35 pm
Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:50 pm
A_B wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:48 pm Pogba is just so in control of everything.
France's midfield is going to destroy Belgium's -- assuming that they hang on -- but I'm fascinated to see how Belgium's ability to attack down the flanks will challenge Pavard and Hernandez.
You think? Or, am I just inaccurately labeling Hazard and DeBruyne as mids? Because those two are bosses, and Fellaini has a bit of a role with this squad.
I was referencing their formation yesterday, which was pretty much a midfield three of Chadli, Fellaini and Witsel with the awesome three higher up the pitch.

I also think that De Bruyne in a deeper position would get bossed by Pogba and Kante. But De Bruyne and Hazard vs. France's backs? Oh boy.

The Total Soccer Show guys went into detail about how Belgium switched between three and four defenderswhen with or without the ball. They were really lauding his tactics.

Posted: **Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:59 am**

degenerasian wrote: ↑Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:22 am Imagine a world where England and the Maple Leafs win championships.

Getting a jump on legalization are you?

Posted: **Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:18 pm**

degenerasian wrote: ↑Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:22 am Imagine a world where England and the Maple Leafs win championships.

I'll take the field against the Leafs next season for whatever amount you want to bet.

Posted: **Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:45 pm**

England - Sweden was pretty much a clinic. England was just the better team, and pretty much controlled things.

Posted: **Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:04 pm**

degenerasian wrote: ↑Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:22 am Imagine a world where England and the Maple Leafs win championships.

The NFL version of the Leafs/Three Lions just won the title. Anything can happen.

Posted: **Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:33 pm**

Wow what a goal.

Croatia needs to wake up. Enough shadow boxing.

Posted: **Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:56 pm**

Both Russian and Croatia are gassed. Heavy legs. Going to be an ugly overtime.

Posted: **Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:29 pm**

Penalty!

Posted: **Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:30 pm**

A_B wrote: ↑Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:29 pmPenalty!

Well. I figured they would get one but just got a free kick header goal.

Posted: **Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:32 pm**

I just want to see an injured keeper in a shootout.

Posted: **Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:54 pm**

And... Russia loses! To bad for you, Trump!

Posted: **Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:55 pm**

sancarlos wrote: ↑Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:54 pm And... Russia loses! To bad for you, Trump!

The right team won but I sure do love penalties.

Posted: **Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:16 pm**

Again with this fucking tournament.

Glad Russia is out, they are a very clunky side. And I just can't get behind "the people" as unfair as that may be.

Posted: **Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:25 pm**

Was enjoying happy Geno (and friends), even if not really rooting for them.

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:32 pm**

http://www.sportingnews.com/soccer/news ... uzpruaaotf

Geiger in the mix to ref either the England - Croatia or the final. And this article perfectly sums up what annoyed me about all the bitching re: his performance in the ENG-COL match. Those guys were giving him ZERO respect, and when you start from there, and you start trying to be cynical and dirty... It's like how asshole kids treated substitute teachers without ever giving them a chance to be cool.

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:52 pm**

Turkish ref has been given the England-Croatia semi

Uruguayan ref to get France-Belgium semi, that's two matches in a row France gets the ref from the country that they just knocked out.

Geiger in contention for the final but it'll most likely be Kuipers from Holland or Rocchi from Italy

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:02 pm**

degenerasian wrote: ↑Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:52 pm Turkish ref has been given the England-Croatia semi

Uruguayan ref to get France-Belgium semi, that's two matches in a row France gets the ref from the country that they just knocked out.

Geiger in contention for the final but it'll most likely be Kuipers from Holland or Rocchi from Italy

As much as I thought his treatment last game was bullshit, he absolutely should not be doing the final.

I wonder if FIFA was kind of getting his back a little there. He also had that bullshit from Morocco, accusing him of wanting Ronaldo's jersey.

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:14 pm**

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:02 pm
degenerasian wrote: ↑Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:52 pm Turkish ref has been given the England-Croatia semi

Uruguayan ref to get France-Belgium semi, that's two matches in a row France gets the ref from the country that they just knocked out.

Geiger in contention for the final but it'll most likely be Kuipers from Holland or Rocchi from Italy
As much as I thought his treatment last game was bullshit, he absolutely should not be doing the final.

I wonder if FIFA was kind of getting his back a little there. He also had that bullshit from Morocco, accusing him of wanting Ronaldo's jersey.

He could get rewarded with a 4th official slot right?

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