The Swamp

Rex wrote: ↑Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:35 pm Congrats to the Packers on the mindfuck loss of the year!

degenerasian wrote: ↑Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:01 pm Vontae Davis apparently pulled himself from the lineup at halftime and retired on the spot.

I guess that's what Bills Football will do to you.

brian wrote: ↑Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:28 pm That Bills-Lions game looks like it might end up being the worst game of the year.

sancarlos wrote: ↑Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:09 pm Pretty sure the Raiders would’ve won today if they still had Khalil Mack on their defense. Raiders got little pressure on Keenum in the 2nd half. Last time they played Denver, Mack had five sacks.

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:47 am I don't see how any team can defend against the Chiefs. They are just too good from top to bottom. If you try to man up against them, someone will be open downfield. If you go into a zone, they'll stretch you too thin and Mahomes will take advantage of any window.

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:57 am12. Cleveland Browns - PAT MAHOMES, QB, TEXAS TECH

The Browns are like the bizarro Bears in that they have had a history of shitty QBs but in contrast to Chicago, they have drafted them high for millions of years with little to nothing to show for it. Also, both teams can probably say that Brian Hoyer is in their top 3 all-time.

I think it's pretty clear that the Browns would take Carson Wentz if they could do it all over again, but this isn't Hot Tub Time Machine and they can't. You can ask Mark Chmura if you don't believe me. Since they haven't been able to trade for Jimmy Garoppolo (yet), I think they go for talent and ceiling over floor and take Mahomes at 12.

I love Mahomes as a prospect. He comes from one of those 'gimmick' Big 12 offenses but before Mahomes, there was Aaron Rodgers coming from a similarly gimmicky offense. Oh, those QBs can't succeed in the NFL! Look at Kyle Boller! Well, Aaron Rodgers can throw dimes off his back foot across his body 40 yards downfield while running to his right, so it really didn't matter that he took a lot of shotgun snaps or whatever it was with Tedford. Mahomes is the same way. Nobody else except maybe Russell Wilson can throw like this. Mahomes' arm is ridiculous, and he's accurate as hell, and his deep ball is amazing, and he's a pretty decent athlete, and why are we focusing so much on how he took a snap? Imagine if Mahomes had less talent but had the same issues he has now, taking primarily shotgun snaps, having inconsistent footwork, making limited reads...and pretend that his name is Jared Goff. What's the difference? Why are we talking down Mahomes so much on the negatives while completely ignoring all the unbelievable talent that he has and the actual throws he's put on tape? Is Texas Tech that toxic? Just because Kliff fuckin' Kingsbury didn't make it, nobody from that school can? I think Mahomes will be a star and the best QB in this class and I don't see him dropping anywhere near the 2nd round in this draft. Even in the deepest drafts, teams could not help but reaching for Blake Bortleses. This guy actually has real elite QB talent, so I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't even make it to pick 12.

Giff wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:32 am I'm kinda feeling about the Texans the same way brian feels about the Lions. It's more fun to watch them suck and be OK with it.

brian wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:48 am

Giff wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:32 am I'm kinda feeling about the Texans the same way brian feels about the Lions. It's more fun to watch them suck and be OK with it.

Makes Sunday nights and Monday mornings a lot calmer too. I was traveling yesterday and missed the game but didn't care. First time I've done that in years.

Giff wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:32 am I'm kinda feeling about the Texans the same way brian feels about the Lions. It's more fun to watch them suck and be OK with it.

The Sybian wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:23 am Now I'm invested and somewhat optimistic, and care again. I know I'm in for a long, ugly season and it's going to suck, but my heart is back into this team.

Rex wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:58 am GPJ, do you think it is possible to defend against the Giants?

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:28 am

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:57 am12. Cleveland Browns - PAT MAHOMES, QB, TEXAS TECH

The Browns are like the bizarro Bears in that they have had a history of shitty QBs but in contrast to Chicago, they have drafted them high for millions of years with little to nothing to show for it. Also, both teams can probably say that Brian Hoyer is in their top 3 all-time.

I think it's pretty clear that the Browns would take Carson Wentz if they could do it all over again, but this isn't Hot Tub Time Machine and they can't. You can ask Mark Chmura if you don't believe me. Since they haven't been able to trade for Jimmy Garoppolo (yet), I think they go for talent and ceiling over floor and take Mahomes at 12.

I love Mahomes as a prospect. He comes from one of those 'gimmick' Big 12 offenses but before Mahomes, there was Aaron Rodgers coming from a similarly gimmicky offense. Oh, those QBs can't succeed in the NFL! Look at Kyle Boller! Well, Aaron Rodgers can throw dimes off his back foot across his body 40 yards downfield while running to his right, so it really didn't matter that he took a lot of shotgun snaps or whatever it was with Tedford. Mahomes is the same way. Nobody else except maybe Russell Wilson can throw like this. Mahomes' arm is ridiculous, and he's accurate as hell, and his deep ball is amazing, and he's a pretty decent athlete, and why are we focusing so much on how he took a snap? Imagine if Mahomes had less talent but had the same issues he has now, taking primarily shotgun snaps, having inconsistent footwork, making limited reads...and pretend that his name is Jared Goff. What's the difference? Why are we talking down Mahomes so much on the negatives while completely ignoring all the unbelievable talent that he has and the actual throws he's put on tape? Is Texas Tech that toxic? Just because Kliff fuckin' Kingsbury didn't make it, nobody from that school can? I think Mahomes will be a star and the best QB in this class and I don't see him dropping anywhere near the 2nd round in this draft. Even in the deepest drafts, teams could not help but reaching for Blake Bortleses. This guy actually has real elite QB talent, so I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't even make it to pick 12.

tennbengal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:12 am Dalton is gonna be fine and might will continue to be a good NFL quarterback, give or take, and is off to a great start to the year. But...man. They picked John Ross just ahead of where Mahomes went last year. I think Ross is gonna be a good pro, but, still.

brian wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:48 am

Giff wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:32 am I'm kinda feeling about the Texans the same way brian feels about the Lions. It's more fun to watch them suck and be OK with it.

Makes Sunday nights and Monday mornings a lot calmer too. I was traveling yesterday and missed the game but didn't care. First time I've done that in years.

Shirley wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:45 am I'll be honest, I watch so little NFL coverage these days, that I'd honestly never heard of Mahomes before yesterday (or more likely, I'd heard his name but didn't pay attention). Damn, that kid is good.

DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:25 pm