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Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:33 pm
by Johnnie
It's more exasperation than anything on my part.
I hate seeing the complete lack of professionalism and decorum amongst adults who run this country while I have to live this ridiculous life of having to follow rules, be professional, and be accountable for everything I can control and can't. I got sent home from a deployment early because of my bullshit predicament and my reaction to people, but I can read tweets, see the president act a fool, and look at Republicans at large become vile, disgusting pieces of shit and nothing. I hate it.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:54 pm
by Pruitt
Is that sort of feeling widespread?
And am I wrong in thinking that the Air Force attracts more intelligent recruits than the other branches of the military?
Sincere questions, no snark intended.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:03 pm
by Johnnie
Pruitt wrote: ↑Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:54 pm
Is that sort of feeling widespread?
And am I wrong in thinking that the Air Force attracts more intelligent recruits than the other branches of the military?
Sincere questions, no snark intended.
I wish I could gauge it, but I can't. I'd like to think people are appalled, but many in the military simply don't follow politics strongly enough or compartmentalize the issue and press on with work. I'm sure some are like "that wacky Trump," but don't put their situation along with his.
The Air Force is generally smarter. They are the only ones with an accredited college and push school all the time.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:07 pm
by Steve of phpBB
Pruitt wrote: ↑Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:54 pm
Is that sort of feeling widespread?
And am I wrong in thinking that the Air Force attracts more intelligent recruits than the other branches of the military?
Sincere questions, no snark intended.
An Air Force officer reported that he wanted to transfer to the Army. His commanding officer told him that he could do that, but he would need an operation to remove half of his brain. He asked for a week to think it over.
The following Monday, he reported back and said yes, he really wanted to join the Army, even if it meant having half his brain removed. So they got him on the surgical schedule, and within a couple of weeks, it was time.
After several hours on the operating table and another couple in recovery, he woke up. The doctor came by to give his report: “I’m sorry, but we had a problem during surgery. Instead of removing half your brain, we accidentally removed three-quarters of your brain.”
The man replied, “Airborne!”
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:19 pm
by Johnnie
100,000 U.S. Christian Churches Demand Withdrawal of Kavanaugh's Supreme Court Nomination
A group representing 100,000 congregations and 45 million churchgoers across an array of Christian denominations in the U.S. has called for the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to be withdrawn.
Holy crap.
So to speak.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:20 am
by Johnnie
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:14 am
by Joe K
Can’t say this wasn’t utterly predictable, right down to the fact that the so-called “Reasonable Republicans” like Flake, Collins and Sasse will fall in line and vote for confirmation. In the words of Kavanaugh’s biggest supporter, “Fool me once, shame on ... shame on you. Fool me... You can't get fooled again!”
Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:29 pm
Johnnie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:16 pm
I feel like this is all bullshit additional dramatic theater and the Dems lost again.
I agree. The bottom line is that this vote advanced Kavanaugh one significant step closer to confirmation. And I think that it’s unlikely that an FBI investigation reaches a definitive conclusion unless Mark Judge or another of his friends comes clean. So even if an FBI investigation occurs, the most likely result is that its inconclusive results give the fence sitters cover to vote for confirmation.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:50 am
by degenerasian
Godless leftists... oh wait...
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:47 am
by Pruitt
Joe K wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:14 am
Can’t say this wasn’t utterly predictable, right down to the fact that the so-called “Reasonable Republicans” like Flake, Collins and Sasse will fall in line and vote for confirmation. In the words of Kavanaugh’s biggest supporter, “Fool me once, shame on ... shame on you. Fool me... You can't get fooled again!”
Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:29 pm
Johnnie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:16 pm
I feel like this is all bullshit additional dramatic theater and the Dems lost again.
I agree. The bottom line is that this vote advanced Kavanaugh one significant step closer to confirmation. And I think that it’s unlikely that an FBI investigation reaches a definitive conclusion unless Mark Judge or another of his friends comes clean. So even if an FBI investigation occurs, the most likely result is that its inconclusive results give the fence sitters cover to vote for confirmation.
Just when i think things can't get more cynical and corrupt and sleazy...
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:14 am
by mister d
I, for one, completely and fully trust Senate Dems to properly frame this so its just as untenable for the tossup Rs to vote for Kavanaugh now as it was last week.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:41 am
by mister d
Collins and Flake have already issued statements so we're done here.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:43 am
by brian
mister d wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:41 am
Collins and Flake have already issued statements so we're done here.
Once they know it's a done deal Manchin and Heitkamp will vote to confirm as well, so it'll be 53-47. Book it.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:59 am
by brian
I think for my own personal sanity I need to say off Twitter today. I should probably have some kind of sports-only Twitter account for days like today.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:27 am
by L-Jam3
See, that's how these fuckers are winning. They hit you with their terrible deeds over and over again, and their lapdogs fire off horsehit lies all over social media, so us, the righteous ones, finally give up and stop fighting back. Well not me. Fuck them. I look in the mirror every morning and say to myself "stay fucking vigilant", This shit is too fucking important to give in.
If I could figure out a way so it won't show up in my feed I'd go back to those con social media sites and bang them over their fucking heads. I can't change their minds, but maybe I can change the minds of on-lookers.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:52 am
by mister d
If it helps, my mother is now this vote away from admitting there are no good republicans. She was the type who votes D but liked McCain and then Flake and then Collins/Murkowski. I think this could be galvanizing but the cost is tremendous.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:56 am
by rass
mister d wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:52 am
...my mother is now...admitting the...good...D but...but the cost is tremendous.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:00 pm
by tennbengal
brian wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:59 am
I think for my own personal sanity I need to say off Twitter today. I should probably have some kind of sports-only Twitter account for days like today.
Same. I need sports only at this point.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:00 pm
by Nonlinear FC
But that's what we've been saying for years on this site. It's going to take this full 2 years of them passing horrible legislation, stealing one seat on the SC and now jamming an obvious party hack down our throats for another... Being, literally, a laughing stock on the global stage.
The part of the country that actually cares about this stuff is increasingly appalled and mortified. Is it enough, or more importantly, are there enough people who give a shit anymore? I don't fucking know. I really don't anymore.
But they have been as awful in true power as we all said they would be, maybe more so.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:06 pm
by brian
Ecuador, man. (Or Thailand. I'm not picky.)
(Related to that, had a disturbing conversation a couple of weeks ago with an old high school friend who knows Trump is an idiot but loves him because the tax cuts saved him like $20K. He knows he's bad for the country but doesn't care because he's personally profiting. I don't know how to deal with that. I can't imagine just being so callous that you just don't care as long as you're making out in the end. That's the whole GOP platform distilled down to one sentence -- Fuck you, I got mine.)
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:07 pm
by mister d
If this (gestures to the past 23 months) isn't enough, we're dead. I have hope, albeit slight, that younger people are smarter and more pissed off than the apathetic masses of our generation.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:08 pm
by mister d
brian wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:06 pmFuck you, I got mine.
Or "Fuck them, they're (gay, foreign, black, female, etc)."
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:11 pm
by sancarlos
brian wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:06 pm
... an old high school friend who knows Trump is an idiot but loves him because the tax cuts saved him like $20K. He knows he's bad for the country but doesn't care because he's personally profiting...
I wonder how many people who live in high state/property tax states will remember who caused this when they do their taxes in April and bump up against the $10k limit on deductions for property/state income taxes.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:17 pm
by mister d
I bet that only lasts a year or two, long enough to punish the people it wants to but not long enough to hurt them in an election cycle. There are plenty of people in NJ who will remain too stupid to understand its effect right up until April 2019.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:26 pm
by L-Jam3
In reality how would it matter? The high state/property tax states (NY, NJ, CT, CA) go blue anyway in Presidential elections. It's the solidly red states, i.e. the ones that rank highest in infant mortality, that have the lowest/none state/property taxes.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:28 pm
by Giff
Texas as high property taxes. But Beto wants to let illegal immigrants in to kill our families, so Rafael the Canadian is probably still going to win.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:30 pm
by mister d
NJ's reps are split 7/5 D/R.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:50 pm
by The Sybian
mister d wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:17 pm
I bet that only lasts a year or two, long enough to punish the people it wants to but not long enough to hurt them in an election cycle. There are plenty of people in NJ who will remain too stupid to understand its effect right up until April 2019.
I think the hard swing to the Left from our new Governor will far outweigh the motivation for Conservatives to vote than the limits to property tax write offs will hurt. Most Trump supporters believe the tax cuts are great for them, regardless of whether they actually are. I think the majority of people in high property tax states will do worse with Trump's plan, but they won't realize that until after they do their taxes. People are giddy over the $5/pay period decrease in their withholdings every pay period, and will be in for a shock when they owe money on the back end. I was listening to Howard Stern this week, and he announced his shock at learning that the tax cuts are increasing his taxes because of his property taxes. Robin laughed at him for not realizing it. Howard isn't the brightest guy, but he is much more clued in politically than the average voter.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:57 pm
by degenerasian
brian wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:06 pm
Ecuador, man. (Or Thailand. I'm not picky.)
(Related to that, had a disturbing conversation a couple of weeks ago with an old high school friend who knows Trump is an idiot but loves him because the tax cuts saved him like $20K. He knows he's bad for the country but doesn't care because he's personally profiting. I don't know how to deal with that. I can't imagine just being so callous that you just don't care as long as you're making out in the end. That's the whole GOP platform distilled down to one sentence -- Fuck you, I got mine.)
This is how they get you. GOP gets support on one issue. Same as conservatives in my province of Alberta. People literally vote issue by issue, paycheck by paycheck. The NDP became government here and passed a carbon tax. $100 per person per year. Everyone is outraged, who cares about the environment, that's $100 out of my pocket.
Liberals have a very big tent because they're liberals. But it's harder to maintain.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:10 pm
by brian
The Sybian wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:50 pm
mister d wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:17 pm
I bet that only lasts a year or two, long enough to punish the people it wants to but not long enough to hurt them in an election cycle. There are plenty of people in NJ who will remain too stupid to understand its effect right up until April 2019.
I think the hard swing to the Left from our new Governor will far outweigh the motivation for Conservatives to vote than the limits to property tax write offs will hurt. Most Trump supporters believe the tax cuts are great for them, regardless of whether they actually are. I think the majority of people in high property tax states will do worse with Trump's plan, but they won't realize that until after they do their taxes. People are giddy over the $5/pay period decrease in their withholdings every pay period, and will be in for a shock when they owe money on the back end. I was listening to Howard Stern this week, and he announced his shock at learning that the tax cuts are increasing his taxes because of his property taxes. Robin laughed at him for not realizing it. Howard isn't the brightest guy, but he is much more clued in politically than the average voter.
Honestly, he makes so much money I truly doubt this (based off a salary of $20M a year which is probably only a fraction of what he makes, the drop in the top tax bracket alone would save Stern close to a million a year and that's before the cuts to stuff like carried interest, etc. but it's good he mentioned the property tax issue since that likely will result in a net tax increase for a lot of people in NY, NJ, CA, etc.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:18 pm
by brian
Give Heitkamp some credit. She's voting no. Writing's on the wall she's not going to win anyway so kudos for going out with some dignity and balls.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:18 pm
by mister d
Oves.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:37 pm
by The Sybian
brian wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:10 pm
The Sybian wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:50 pm
mister d wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:17 pm
I bet that only lasts a year or two, long enough to punish the people it wants to but not long enough to hurt them in an election cycle. There are plenty of people in NJ who will remain too stupid to understand its effect right up until April 2019.
I think the hard swing to the Left from our new Governor will far outweigh the motivation for Conservatives to vote than the limits to property tax write offs will hurt. Most Trump supporters believe the tax cuts are great for them, regardless of whether they actually are. I think the majority of people in high property tax states will do worse with Trump's plan, but they won't realize that until after they do their taxes. People are giddy over the $5/pay period decrease in their withholdings every pay period, and will be in for a shock when they owe money on the back end. I was listening to Howard Stern this week, and he announced his shock at learning that the tax cuts are increasing his taxes because of his property taxes. Robin laughed at him for not realizing it. Howard isn't the brightest guy, but he is much more clued in politically than the average voter.
Honestly, he makes so much money I truly doubt this (based off a salary of $20M a year which is probably only a fraction of what he makes, the drop in the top tax bracket alone would save Stern close to a million a year and that's before the cuts to stuff like carried interest, etc. but it's good he mentioned the property tax issue since that likely will result in a net tax increase for a lot of people in NY, NJ, CA, etc.
It was also good that Stern figured out and said this was Trump's way of punishing states that didn't vote for him. No idea how Stern gets paid out, but he was talking about Robin sold off all her Sirius stock years ago, and he didn't, so maybe he gets significant pay in stock options rather than salary. I know all the reports of his $500 million deal failed to note that the money was for him to run his channel, and includes his entire staff's salary and his operation costs, not his salary. When I crunched the numbers, I was still benefiting from the plan after losing the deductions, but fuck, I'd rather pay more in taxes than fuck over the poor, working class, minorities, LGBT, Muslims, refugees, Mexicans, women, educations system, foreign policy, NATO...
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:48 pm
by Joe K
mister d wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:14 am
I, for one, completely and fully trust Senate Dems to properly frame this so its just as untenable for the tossup Rs to vote for Kavanaugh now as it was last week.
The funny thing about this post is that Chuck Schumer and DNC Chair Tom Perez have both said that they’d continue to support any Senate
*Dems* who vote for Kavanaugh. Schumer totally fell for the GOP’s transparent ploy of using the FBI investigation to buy time to disrance the vote from Ford’s testimony and to provide a “neutral” blessing for Kavanaugh.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:59 pm
by Steve of phpBB
brian wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:59 am
I think for my own personal sanity I need to say off Twitter today. I should probably have some kind of sports-only Twitter account for days like today.
I actually set one of those up, because I am lobbying for work with state agencies here and might need to delete my entire regular account if my anonymity breaks down.
It's refreshing. Except for now when sports stuff pisses me off also.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:02 pm
by Steve of phpBB
Joe K wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:48 pm
mister d wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:14 am
I, for one, completely and fully trust Senate Dems to properly frame this so its just as untenable for the tossup Rs to vote for Kavanaugh now as it was last week.
The funny thing about this post is that Chuck Schumer and DNC Chair Tom Perez have both said that they’d continue to support any Senate
*Dems* who vote for Kavanaugh. Schumer totally fell for the GOP’s transparent ploy of using the FBI investigation to buy time to disrance the vote from Ford’s testimony and to provide a “neutral” blessing for Kavanaugh.
He didn't fall for anything. Come on.
I know you don't really care about the Democrats, but Schumer does. The Democrats are far better off with Senator Manchin than Senator Patrick Morrissey. So if Manchin needs to provide a non-dispositive vote for Kavanaugh in order to prevent Senator Patrick Morrissey, so be it.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:17 pm
by mister d
Strategic kowtowing. Catch the 2020 Dem fever.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:33 pm
by Joe K
mister d wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:17 pm
Strategic kowtowing. Catch the 2020 Dem fever.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:41 pm
by sancarlos
Joe K wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:33 pm
mister d wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:17 pm
Strategic kowtowing. Catch the 2020 Dem fever.
This has nothing to do with anything here, but I checked that guy's twitter page and this is his pinned tweet:
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:02 pm
by Pruitt
Love it.
Re: Bart O’Kavanaugh hearings and inevitable confirmation
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:06 pm
by brian
Joe K wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:33 pm
mister d wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:17 pm
Strategic kowtowing. Catch the 2020 Dem fever.
If this were true, both Heitkamp and Manchin would have literally zero chance since Trump carried both states by 30 points+ in 2016.