EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:31 pm
#Notalawyer, but how is it when an NFL team goes on the record discussing Kyler Murray’s draft status, they’re not interfering with the contract he’s signed with the Oakland Athletics Baseball Club?
Or is it just because the A’s have played themselves into the cuckold here?
Because the only potential conflict could come from another baseball team. If some Hollywood exec offers LeBron $100M to become the new host of the Today show and leave the NBA, it wouldn't be a conflict with his NBA contract (beyond whatever buyout/retirement language exists in that contract).
EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:31 pm
#Notalawyer, but how is it when an NFL team goes on the record discussing Kyler Murray’s draft status, they’re not interfering with the contract he’s signed with the Oakland Athletics Baseball Club?
Or is it just because the A’s have played themselves into the cuckold here?
Because the only potential conflict could come from another baseball team. If some Hollywood exec offers LeBron $100M to become the new host of the Today show and leave the NBA, it wouldn't be a conflict with his NBA contract (beyond whatever buyout/retirement language exists in that contract).
It depends on the language Oakland included in the player contract, because once a contract becomes public knowledge and another sport attempts to entice him to play for it, how is it that the NFL team that drafts him not be in violation of impeding on the Athletics’ economic advantages? Seems tort-related, no? In the scenario where Oakland didn’t include language that permits Murray from doing this, then any number of state laws (California) might come into play, yes? Again, #notalawyer.
EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:31 pm
#Notalawyer, but how is it when an NFL team goes on the record discussing Kyler Murray’s draft status, they’re not interfering with the contract he’s signed with the Oakland Athletics Baseball Club?
Or is it just because the A’s have played themselves into the cuckold here?
Because the only potential conflict could come from another baseball team. If some Hollywood exec offers LeBron $100M to become the new host of the Today show and leave the NBA, it wouldn't be a conflict with his NBA contract (beyond whatever buyout/retirement language exists in that contract).
It depends on the language Oakland included in the player contract, because once a contract becomes public knowledge and another sport attempts to entice him to play for it, how is it that the NFL team that drafts him not be in violation of impeding on the Athletics’ economic advantages? Seems tort-related, no? In the scenario where Oakland didn’t include language that permits Murray from doing this, then any number of state laws (California) might come into play, yes? Again, #notalawyer.
Not a lawyer either so I don't know, but just doesn't seem especially logical (not that the law is necessarily logical) since teams in other sports aren't typically competitors for a player's services.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:08 pm
by Joe K
Brian is right. As a general matter, you can’t use tort law to force people to stay in a profession they want to leave. If Murray would rather play football and returns the signing bonus money then there’s nothing more Oakland can do. To the extent they can contractually restrict his options it’s only within the sport of baseball.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:17 pm
by EnochRoot
Joe K wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:08 pm
Brian is right. As a general matter, you can’t use tort law to force people to stay in a profession they want to leave. If Murray would rather play football and returns the signing bonus money then there’s nothing more Oakland can do. To the extent they can contractually restrict his options it’s only within the sport of baseball.
If the A’s didn’t introduce any language to the contrary, the uniform players contract has boilerplate language in it prohibiting the player from participating in other sports. And regardless, the A’s held a legally binding contract when he was bandied up and down another sport’s own team draft boards, which gets fed to the media. How’s that not interfering with the Oakland Athletics’ financial wellbeing?
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:22 pm
by brian
The prohibition on participating in other sports in pro sports contracts is solely related to risk of injury and even in that case is mostly unenforceable legally from what I've read.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:27 pm
by A_B
brian wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:22 pm
The prohibition on participating in other sports in pro sports contracts is solely related to risk of injury and even in that case is mostly unenforceable legally from what I've read.
And they agreed to let him play football at Oklahoma, I believe.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:37 pm
by EdRomero
Are these rules post Bo/Deion? In the 30 for 30 on Deion, they said his baseball contract ended before football season began. Also, the Braves, McCarver, and Sean McDonough do not make good impressions in that doc (granted, it was heavily biased towards Deion).
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:22 pm
by Ryan
Verlander’s getting alot of mileage out of his barely-thought out premise
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:28 pm
by brian
Ryan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:22 pm
Verlander’s getting alot of mileage out of his barely-thought out premise
The barely thought out premise that it's weird that more than 100 free agents, including two of the biggest FAs available in the past 10 years or so, haven't been signed yet?
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:15 pm
by Ryan
That rebuilding (read:shitty) teams should be lining up to pay premium dollars for players in their prime that get to pick what team they play for
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:45 am
by brian
Ryan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:15 pm
That rebuilding (read:shitty) teams should be lining up to pay premium dollars for players in their prime that get to pick what team they play for
I think there's more logic there than it seems. Assuming you're a MLB GM and you legitimately have a plan and you're not flying by the seat of your pants a team like the Tigers that might theoretically be a couple or even three years away could probably really use a 29-to-32-year-old Bryce Harper in 2022 through 2025 but ownership of a team like the Tigers or the Twins or Padres or anyone else who might be in that same kind of boat looks at that $30M salary for the first two or three years of the deal as "wasted" money, a premise I'm not completely sold on myself.
The system is configured to entice teams to suck as bad as possible until the instant they're good enough to compete, which is itself pretty contradictory in my opinion.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:58 am
by A_B
Machado and Harper should be a package deal at this point. Fuck all these teams.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:20 am
by mister d
Its fun being a fan of one of the few teams that would appeal to both and could easily afford to but is choosing not to.
Ryan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:15 pm
That rebuilding (read:shitty) teams should be lining up to pay premium dollars for players in their prime that get to pick what team they play for
I think there's more logic there than it seems. Assuming you're a MLB GM and you legitimately have a plan and you're not flying by the seat of your pants a team like the Tigers that might theoretically be a couple or even three years away could probably really use a 29-to-32-year-old Bryce Harper in 2022 through 2025 but ownership of a team like the Tigers or the Twins or Padres or anyone else who might be in that same kind of boat looks at that $30M salary for the first two or three years of the deal as "wasted" money, a premise I'm not completely sold on myself.
The system is configured to entice teams to suck as bad as possible until the instant they're good enough to compete, which is itself pretty contradictory in my opinion.
I mean, maybe. But his comments seemed to put it all on the clubs and that all goes out the window unless the player sees it as desirable. Tell 28-year-old Justin Verlander that the Twins want to give him $30 million a year but he might be the only really good player on the team for all 6 years he's there. Tell 2013 Mike Trout how many playoff games he's about to win over the next decade and see if he's ready to be on a "rebuilding" team.
If the Padres want to trade 8 good prospects for 2-3 superstars, that's a pretty good idea. If they want to sign 2-3 superstars, that's a two-way street.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:13 pm
by brian
Understood. And no one knows what kinds of offers Harper and Machado have really gotten. Maybe he did get some kind of 10 year $325M offer from the Padres or someone like that and turned it down. In that sense, Verlander's speculation is unwarranted/unhelpful.
But my suspicion is that most teams didn't have much interest in either guy at just about any (reasonable) price, which is pretty crazy given how FA used to work as recently as a decade ago.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:37 pm
by mister d
And that these are two Hall of Famers well short of 30 which puts them on the short list of best free agents available in (most of) our lifetimes. I get an early term rebuild team passing because the opt-out might come as the window is opening, but there's no way 20+ teams don't benefit greatly here.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:40 pm
by sancarlos
I'm not sure if it is real, or if the newspaper is just trying to stir it up themselves, but lately the SF Chronicle has been running articles about the Giants making a push for Harper.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:45 pm
by mister d
If we're doing at the time they were free agents, Rodriguez is the clear #1 since he was heading into his age 25 season at SS. Bonds was about to be 28. Maddux was 26 but only coming off his first great season. Manny was already 29 and a defensive mess, Sabathia was 28 and overworked in the prior season ... I'm sure I'm blanking on some others but I'm closer to top 5 now than top 10 for both.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:56 pm
by L-Jam3
I'm thinking 24 y/o Beltre in '04 might be in the top ten, but I agree with your points.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:24 pm
by mister d
I won't get on a guy for being hurt a lot (I'll get on a team for signing/relying on a guy who's hurt a lot), it sucks for him far more than any fan, but deeeeeeear god with this dude ...
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:31 pm
by Ryan
A rebuilding team should have been all over that
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:34 pm
by A_B
I shoulda been the son of a major leaguer
edit: or nephew!
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:39 pm
by Ryan
Taylor Trammell is just like his dad
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:49 pm
by A_B
Ryan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:39 pm
Taylor Trammell is just like his dad
Spitting images!
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:27 pm
by Ryan
Ryan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:46 amIf the Padres want to trade 8 good prospects for 2-3 superstars, that's a pretty good idea. If they want to sign 2-3 superstars, that's a two-way street.
Well fuck me sliding into 2nd with my spikes up
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:37 pm
by mister d
If sitting out is the best way to embarrass MLB, signing in a market like San Diego is second. Maybe Harper will go to Tampa Bay.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:47 pm
by brian
mister d wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:37 pm
If sitting out is the best way to embarrass MLB, signing in a market like San Diego is second. Maybe Harper will go to Tampa Bay.
I think it helps MLB in the sense that it puts a lie to the idea that smaller market teams like San Diego can't afford to pony up for free agents (though I could see how it could be spun the other way as well w/r/t "collusion").
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:02 pm
by mister d
MLB is the biggest investor in that lie.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:14 pm
by Brontoburglar
Eric Hosmer better be getting the front office a thank you gift
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:20 pm
by mister d
Rany pointed out that Hosmer will get too much credit for winning and Machado will get too much blame for losing and I'm pre-annoyed.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:29 pm
by Brontoburglar
mister d wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:20 pm
Rany pointed out that Hosmer will get too much credit for winning and Machado will get too much blame for losing and I'm pre-annoyed.
yupppp
meanwhile I'm oddly intrigued about the Royals. they aren't going to be good at all. but they may not be boring?
mister d wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:20 pm
Rany pointed out that Hosmer will get too much credit for winning and Machado will get too much blame for losing and I'm pre-annoyed.
yupppp
meanwhile I'm oddly intrigued about the Royals. they aren't going to be good at all. but they may not be boring?
They might be the 85 cardinals
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:51 pm
by Ryan
Good thing putting the ball in play is really easy nowadays
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:04 pm
by brian
Meanwhile (yes, I know it's a joke):
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:05 pm
by mister d
degenerasian wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:45 pmThey might be the 85 cardinals
Yeah. The 85 WIN Cardinals of (goes to b-ref) 2003!!!
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:50 pm
by A_B
My take is he gets paid, spends a couple of years in San Diego, which isn’t worst place to be and then gets traded to the Yankees.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:09 pm
by mister d
I'm shocked the first opt out isn't until after the 5th season. Would have bet a lot on post-3rd at the latest with post-2nd not surprising me.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:32 pm
by degenerasian
My wish is for Harper to go to the Mets.
A) it would be interesting in NY
B) i just took the Mets @25-1 to win the world series.