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Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:14 pm
by A_B
A) yes but wrong team
B) you’re an idiot
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:42 pm
by sancarlos
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:52 am
by mister d
Sounds like something bad happened in Boston ...
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:19 pm
by Joe K
mister d wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:52 am
Sounds like something bad happened in Boston ...
Abraham subsequently reported that Blake Swihart’s brother died unexpectedly.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:54 pm
by Giff
Harps to Phils.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:55 pm
by mister d
This could get so good.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:02 pm
by brian
I would be utterly shocked if there isn't a player opt-out by the third year at the latest.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:03 pm
by mister d
My man, prepare to be shocked.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:05 pm
by brian
mister d wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:03 pm
My man, prepare to be shocked.
Good lord, 13 years and no opt-outs.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:16 pm
by mister d
My 7 year old can legally drink for the last few days of this deal.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:19 pm
by brian
I find it hard to believe he couldn't have gotten a higher AAV. Seems like he just wanted the biggest total dollar amount and in that sense the Phillies got a pretty good deal all things considered. Even if he the declines at an expected rate, that AAV for the last five years of the deal isn't going to be that ridiculous probably.
ETA: And I'll be shocked if someone in the Phillies organization doesn't admit this deal was made with the expectation of the universal DH being in place well before the last several years of this deal.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:30 pm
by Rex
Most people would regard that as a sentence, not a deal.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:31 pm
by EnochRoot
brian wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:19 pm
I find it hard to believe he couldn't have gotten a higher AAV. Seems like he just wanted the biggest total dollar amount and in that sense the Phillies got a pretty good deal all things considered. Even if he the declines at an expected rate, that AAV for the last five years of the deal isn't going to be that ridiculous probably.
ETA:
And I'll be shocked if someone in the Phillies organization doesn't admit this deal was made with the expectation of the universal DH being in place well before the last several years of this deal.
No question.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:33 pm
by Rex
Jesus, this will be what, Trump's fourth term?
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:35 pm
by Ryan
Boy That's a lot of cheesestakes !
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:37 pm
by brian
mister d wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:16 pm
My 7 year old can legally drink for the last few days of this deal.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:15 pm
by sancarlos
Giff wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:54 pmHarps to Phils.
But what about Asher?
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:19 pm
by Steve of phpBB
brian wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:19 pm
I find it hard to believe he couldn't have gotten a higher AAV. Seems like he just wanted the biggest total dollar amount and in that sense the Phillies got a pretty good deal all things considered. Even if he the declines at an expected rate, that AAV for the last five years of the deal isn't going to be that ridiculous probably.
ETA: And I'll be shocked if someone in the Phillies organization doesn't admit this deal was made with the expectation of the universal DH being in place well before the last several years of this deal.
I don't know if AAV is really the way to look at this deal. This is basically like the Phillies paying Harper $36 mil per year for 4 years, $28 mil per year for the next 4, and $15 mill per year for the last 5. It's just that the money for those first 4 years is deferred.
Is this the closest baseball has come to Hossa's 12-year contract with the Blackhawks?
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:48 pm
by Giff
sancarlos wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:15 pm
Giff wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:54 pmHarps to Phils.
But what about Asher?
She's going to be a hockey player.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:28 pm
by mister d
Can I speculate, given the 3 or less year deals and dearth of bidders for Machado and Harper than owners are going to go all in on a true salary cap in the next CBA?
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:35 pm
by Rams Fanny
mister d wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:16 pm
My 7 year old can legally drink for the last few days of this deal.
...and will have been legally drinking for two years by the time the Mets finish paying Bobby Bonilla.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:35 pm
by mister d
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:36 pm
by EdRomero
Joe K wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:19 pm
mister d wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:52 am
Sounds like something bad happened in Boston ...
Abraham subsequently reported that Blake Swihart’s brother died unexpectedly.
He was an adopted younger brother who Swihart's family took in when he was in high school. Sucks I don't know about these good stories about athlete's families until after a tragedy happens. Then I learn about it from some random
yahoo writer.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:39 pm
by mister d
Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:19 pmIs this the closest baseball has come to Hossa's 12-year contract with the Blackhawks?
Stanton is on the same deal.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:01 am
by rass
The yahoo! commentators have taken serious exception with one of the adjectives used by that random yahoo! writer.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:40 am
by BSF21
Giff wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:48 pm
sancarlos wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:15 pm
Giff wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:54 pmHarps to Phils.
But what about Asher?
She's going to be a hockey player.
You're goddamn right.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:28 am
by EdRomero
rass wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:01 am
The yahoo! commentators have taken serious exception with one of the adjectives used by that random yahoo! writer.
You made the mistake of looking at Yahoo comments too?
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:38 am
by A_B
I blame This is Us.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:58 am
by mister d
Curious here ... looking at the Machado and Harper deals, if you were the team, without shifting money where would you cut them to make it as team friendly as possible?
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:05 am
by A_B
mister d wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:58 am
Curious here ... looking at the Machado and Harper deals, if you were the team, without shifting money where would you cut them to make it as team friendly as possible?
I can't figure out what you're asking.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:31 am
by mister d
Harper by year:
2019 (26): $30MM
2020 (27): $26MM
2021 (28): $26MM
2022 (29): $26MM
2023 (30): $26MM
2024 (31): $26MM
2025 (32): $26MM
2026 (33): $26MM
2027 (34): $26MM
2028 (35): $26MM
2029 (36): $22MM
2030 (37): $22MM
2031 (38): $22MM
So if today you could draw a line and say "this is where I'd stop the deal if I could, from the team standpoint", where would it be.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:40 am
by tennbengal
After 2026
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:42 am
by A_B
2031. I think him making that in 12 years will be a bargain. After reading a bit about it, I think it's a solid deal.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:49 am
by mister d
I was exactly where TB was.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:52 am
by Ryan
Right now, guessing at his career and thinking DH by the time it matters, I'm in it for the long haul.
My biggest legit worry beyond the unexpected would be that if he's literally making half of the other stars he supposedly wants on his team and the manager tells him to run or something, he becomes a problem
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:07 am
by mister d
If I had a worry, it would be his swing. Its insanely fun to watch right now (see: HR Derby reverse angle) but there's just so much going on you wonder what happens as he ages or if he picks up any kind chronic condition, even if its not major.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:09 am
by A_B
From a ballpark perspective, is this a good/bad/lateral move? When I played the show, my left-handed power hitter raked at Citizens Bank.
THe dimensions are pretty similar it looks like.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:16 am
by mister d
Park factors say Washington is better for hitters but Philadelphia sure seems like a great hitters' park. And Harper has 14 HR in 208 career PA there (although he won't get to hit Phillies pitching anymore!).
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:22 am
by mister d
Machado by year:
2019 (26): $30MM
2020 (27): $30MM
2021 (28): $30MM
2022 (29): $30MM
2023 (30): $30MM
2024 (31): $30MM
2025 (32): $30MM
2026 (33): $30MM
2027 (34): $30MM
2028 (35): $30MM
I might cut Machado's deal off a year earlier than Harper just because more of his value is tied up in his position and he's only been "good no matter where he's playing" at the plate in half his pro seasons.
Re: 2018-19 MLB Offseason Thread
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:27 pm
by rass
Lame. At least the Tigers have that going for them.